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Alexey Korotkov
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9 March 2006
Hello Vovoi
I read the story and thought about my...
..well, I also have to do all this, and one of the problems is what to solder
I can do it too - well and accurately, but I’m not good with theory.
I'm looking forward to unique material! -)
And if I can ask some questions. I also have a problem with the power supply... it
not at all, and with the keyboard.. there is a bunch of wires sticking out, and it’s not clear what’s going on.
So that the forum does not clog my soap mototeam(dog)nm.ru
From
Nikita Alexandrovich
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9 March 2006
Hello Vovoi
Vov> I think everyone will begin to understand this when they really take it into
Vov> hands a soldering iron and steam for an hour or two with the wires
You are absolutely wrong about the diversity of lives, uniformity leads to slow death
(what cofc is going on with spec)
and comrade CHRV is so concerned about standardization because its “best” ATM
few people take it, hence the attacks on the Pentagon - comrades, well now
civilized market and no competitors in shit DIP, well, it’s ugly in the end
finally.........
By the way, I have a question: what’s going on without the spec ROM, it works fine
(black and white stripes) how do I insert the ROM or stupid chess board or
poop whitebird
although emulsions with rum from these devices seem to work fine
From
Roman Mindlin
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9 March 2006
Hello Zerios
Zer> and with the keyboard .. there is a bunch of wires sticking out, and it’s not clear what goes where.
Picture: night, garage cooperative on the edge of St. Petersburg, not far from the roundabout, booth
watchman on the roof of the first garage. It's -20 outside. In the booth two spektrumists scolding
each other and Sir Clive Sinclair soldering with a soldering iron of the “racketeer friend” system
keyboard cable for Scorpio. Naturally, there are no circuits in the gatehouse, there are wires
unsigned, they both barely remember how the keyboard works. Soldered, still
works great.
January 2006, Vega and kgbplus.
PS What is incomprehensible about this keyboard? ;)
From
Roman Mindlin
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9 March 2006
Hello mals
mal> Here is another indicator of why people left in the late 90s
mal> Spec... 34 views and more than one helping hand, even for hryvnia...
mal> Well, tell me how we can talk about the development of the platform without technical support.
mal> support at the hardware level, or in simple terms - if it breaks
mal> can be thrown away...
Soldering iron costs 70 rubles, electronics textbook 200 rubles, digital tester 300 rubles, archive
Radio magazine downloads for free from the Internet. This is enough to
eliminate 70% of problems with old specs. Oh, yes, you still need desire and
a couple of free evenings.
Moreover, they will be happy to answer very specific questions on this forum.
What's the problem?
PS: This is the normal spektrumist approach, both among us and among the bourgeoisie (among
Their Spectrum repair shops closed even earlier than ours).
From
Dobrynin Sergey
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10 March 2006
Hello,geners
gen> By the way, I have a question: what’s going on without the ROM, the spec works fine
gen> (black and white stripes) how do I insert the ROM or stupid board
gen> chess or beleberd
gen> although emulsions with rum from these devices seem to work normally
Ash, that's interesting! Pull out the shafts from Romkin's ATM ROM and see what
get it ;)...
Most likely your SHA or SD signals do not reach (stick) to the RAM/ROM
From
Timonin Maxim Anatolievich
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10 March 2006
Hello, do_se
do_> Ash, it got interesting! Pull out the shafts from Romkin's ATM ROM and
do_> see what you get ;)...
There will be a slightly different picture, since, firstly, the graphics mode
most likely it will be arbitrary, and secondly, the palette will also be either
undefined (all black), or arbitrary.
From
Dobrynin Sergey
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10 March 2006
Hello, Maksagor
Max, don’t worry so much about these attacks....
I’m really telling you that I’ve been watching your site for a long time. Very
I was glad when you and Roman started collecting applications for boards. I'm for mine
Spectrumist life (from the past) I collected (offhand) a couple of Leningrads, things
three or four Pentagons and since 1993 I’ve been dreaming about ATM.....
What you are doing is really cool!!! Once again my RESPECT to you....
I believe that at this point the "revival" of other clones is nostalgia for
for one simple reason that there is no development on them and no one produces them.
Please note that I do not want to offend any of the owners of Russian Spectrums. I can
give a few advantages of the Spectrums that I held in my hands.... And
I liked the Pentagon and Leningrad at one time.... I also think that
some ideas for program compatibility need to be taken from “old” machines....
Naturally, you can’t take any ideas on the IDE interface from 128 Pentagon
it turns out he wasn’t there.....
By the way, it would be interesting to see an attempt at standardization somewhere in the year
so 1993. Whoever wanted to do what kind of clone did that....
From
Igor Afonkin
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10 March 2006
Hello, Maksagor
Maksagor, well, just a cry from the heart! Don't boil! We believe in you! ;)
And I’ll add on my own behalf, directly on the topic: The NedoPC Group, and Roman in particular,
they still provide the specified service, albeit not “in a golden wrapper”. In that
including in the form of technical support on this forum. Why do you guys appreciate it so much?
THANK YOU!
From
Timonin Maxim Anatolievich
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10 March 2006
Hello,geners
gen> You are absolutely wrong about the diversity of life, the uniformity of food
gen> slow death (what cofc is happening with spec)
How can this ALREADY happen with spec if there is no uniformity in principle?
T.N. "slow death" is just a gradual departure of users from
platform due to its transition to the category of rarities and “objects of worship”. No more
that. So you're talking nonsense.
> and comrade CHRV cares about standardization because it
> few people take the “best” ATM, which, by the way, is where the attacks on the Pentagon come from -
> comrades, now the market is already civilized and there are no competitors in
> shit DIP, well, it’s ugly after all........
And again stupidity, but this time completely utter nonsense:
First, uniformity and standardization are two different things. This needs to be clear
understand.
Secondly, what kind of attacks are these? what does “his “best” ATM” have to do with this - what is this
religious irritation? As always, when the mind turns off and a person
emotions take over, he begins to reason based on the principle “I hear
there's a ringing sound, but I don't know where it is."
First, none of us have ever said about ATM that it is the best.
It was said that this clone is one of the most powerful (isn’t that true? Prove it
the opposite). Well, what's wrong with that?Secondly, who, when and where specifically and purposefully some of their clones were not
just smashes it, but in general “DIPES in shit”??? Where did you see this? Maybe just
Didn’t wash your lenses/glasses (or didn’t put them on)? Here on the forum they sort it out one way or another
advantages and disadvantages of ALL clones, ways to eliminate these
shortcomings, corresponding diagrams are provided, etc. WHERE AND WHEN DID YOU SEE
DUMPING SOMEONE IN SHIT? WHAT IS THIS IDIOTISM? As for the Pentagon, then in
debriefing process for all clones (and various modifications for ATM too
are discussed). And in terms of analyzing various shortcomings, Roman pointed to
NON-STANDARD video signal generation, which causes problems with
interfacing with conventional video systems, converters, PAL encoders, etc.
Moreover, he criticized reasonably, with examples. Again, where is the "destruction"
competitor"? Besides -
Third: Is the Pentagon our competitor? And where can I buy it? Even
The Pentagon-1024SL was produced by the author only for himself - to set it up
(small-)batch production was not his intention initially? WITH WHOM
COMPETE? WHOM TO FUCK IN THE SHIT? AU!!!!!!!! I CAN'T SEE!!!!!!
In general, I can’t understand this irritated tone and attacks? What is the novel and in general
NedoPC group is to blame? What did they choose to produce ATM, and not the Pentagon? Yes
this is our personal matter. And to produce a clone for everyone according to the order of C.more idiocy, although you are in terms of the effort expended. And if all around
they talk a lot about ATM, but in your opinion not much about the Pentagon, so this is EXACTLY
because the Pentagon is not a competitor to ATM and there is no one to produce it,
support, promote, and generally speak. There is just such a clone, earlier
produced, still widespread. That's all. And there is Ts ATM, until now
since being produced. And talk specifically about ATM (and not “extinguish” competitors,
which still do not exist and are not expected) It is our right. And if it's you
annoying C set up the production of Pentagons C and promote them. And everyone will
satisfied.
And so, in the heat of irritation, you slipped into elementary insults:
Firstly, he accused Roman of dirty aspirations and thoughts, without meaning to
grounds, insulting him directly, and me indirectly. Secondly, without having any
statistics, not knowing about our initial plans, C just blurted out that
, and therefore the villain CHRV with the gang E
What's the answer here? Firstly, they buy and very well, considering the quantity
spektrumists in general, the information capabilities of the group and its capabilities are all
it is to produce. At the moment, more than 30 boards have been sold (32 or 33 C is not more accurate
I remember C in general, taking into account the small number of real people, several dozen
new and far from the weakest Spectrums, this is our great merit tospektrumist movement).
Secondly, if we talk specifically about the implementation of the plan, then initially it was
it is planned to sell two batches of boards, approximately 20 pieces each, after which
curtail their production and start development based on the proceeds
a fundamentally new ATM-3 board. The first batch of boards has long been sold out.
The second game is gradually coming to an end. So those who want, but have not yet
I ordered a board for myself, hurry up: there are only 6-7 of them left, and there WILL BE NO more,
until the appearance of ATM-3, which is still unknown when it will take place
difficult to predict.
But let's get back to insults: this is what happens: citizen Geners calls
(apparently he considers the NedoPC group a competitor
himself or something close to him), and in THIS SAME LINE he literally pours out
a tub of slop on Roman and indirectly on the rest of the group, accusing him of everything
him/us is almost in a global conspiracy against the Pentagon and others, allegedly
competitors. Without forgetting to refer to the morality that results from
supposedly from a civilized (yes, yes! That’s exactly how it’s spelled!) market (and when will it
did you manage to appear?). Which is another big stupidity. Since the market is on
There is no ZX platform as such. There is not even a market monopolist. Because for
the latter requires commercial interest. But he’s just not there. In whatWhat is this interest (basics of economics)? In getting the maximum possible
profit, and its even greater maximization in the future (and any suppression
competitors and market takeovers are only derivatives of this desire). On the Spectrum,
No matter how hard you try, you can’t earn enough money to simply
feed yourself. Therefore, profit here cannot be an end in itself. And there is only
the enthusiasm of a group of enthusiastic Specy people who sacrifice part of their
time, instead of spending it on "earning money". These are these
people get organized and invest their money in the development of hardware. And then they take
fee to reimburse expenses for parts, for making seals, for postage
expenses. Roman also charges several sonnet rubles for swallowing rosin
smoke when he sits with sleepy eyes and collects his next order. And one more thing
the remainder goes to the development fund for new hardware and ATM-3. And just like that, instead of
to really MAKE money on anything else in life, you really need to spend
your irreplaceable time for creativity, for supporting other creative people,
and then another Geners comes out and starts throwing mud at them and DIVING them in shit
only because it seemed to him (stupidly, sleepily, drunk - what difference does it make to me
T the word is not a sparrow E), that someone did not pay enough attention to the object of it, according to
apparently religious worship of the Pentagon. Yes, guys, we've arrived. Simmer
light.What should I tell you personally, Geners? Aren't you ashamed of what was said?
Maybe he would apologize, huh? All sorts of barbs and unprintable words that are asked
outside, I'll put it down. I’ll just say one thing: sometimes it’s better to chew than to talk! :mad:
:mad:
From
goodboy
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11 March 2006
Hello, do_se
do_> By the way, it would be interesting to see an attempt at standardization somewhere
do_> in the year 1993.
in zx review, in almost every issue, different authors proposed their own scheme
ports are acceptable for expanding memory and additional devices - and everyone said
that it’s time to fight diversity, my version should become the standard.
and what came of it?
in 95 with extended memory there were Scorpion, ATM, Pro - programs where this
the memory used seems to be countable on one hand - copiers,
cp/m for pros? , there were games adapted for Scorp without additional downloads, like this
that's all
what standards? why the extra >128k memory???
probably the only visible difference is the number of lines on the screen and how long it takes
cycles, a line is drawn - and this is not critical everywhere.
It’s unlikely that the circuitry was important to the average user
From
Vladimir Bovin
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2 May 2006
Hello, do_se
do_> I believe that at the moment the "revival" of other clones is
do_> nostalgia for one simple reason that there is no development on them and no one
do_> does not produce them. Please note that I do not want to offend any of the owners
do_> Russian Spectrums....
Personally, I would like to restore one of the three Specs (in this case in the closet
only Scorps) If it was an ATM, then it would be repaired, if the Pentagon, then
I would ask him for help. If only someone would take my junk and give me an ATM fee
(with a huge surcharge, obviously:), agreed without a doubt. No matter the frequency
processor in the new Spec or less, is it a standard keyboard or with bells and whistles,
128MB or 1024, I need a real working stone for which I want to code, but
You can't even insert a floppy disk into the emulator.
:(((
/I was absent for various reasons, sorry. The photo catalog has already been postponed.
Perhaps I’ll ask the admin to make a section on repairs, where my messages will be
presented as a type of Scorpio repair site.
I don’t want to quarrel and argue with anyone, I have a couple of ideas and a desire to code
them on the real Spectrum./