Real or emulator
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Hello, alexeenko
We need both. A computer, like an emulsion, is not a goal, but a means. And the topic
In general, for the best, it should be transferred to the flame. There is nothing in it related to
rubric.
Hello Titus
I vote for the third point - Real and Emulator (with bells and whistles) ;) IMHO - one without
drugova is inconceivable.
Hello, All
I invite the respected members of the forum to speak out about the most optimal, for your
view of Speccy's existence in the future.
Real or emulator? Pros and cons, so to speak...
I'll start first: Emulator.
All the features of the iron Specky plus all kinds of add-ons, flexibility
configurations, and finally one computer on the table (all in one package).
:v2_thumb:
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> You need both. A computer, like an emulsion, is not a goal, but a means.
That's exactly what the remedy is.
And the emulsion is a much more powerful tool, in no way inferior to the original
:v2_tong:
Hello Mike
Mik> Emulsion is not a more powerful tool and it is inferior to real life in the same way as
Mik> real rubber woman.
It seems to me that this comparison is inappropriate, since both have keyboards, joysticks,
sound, monitor and nothing (with the right approach) different from gaming (or
any other) process. And how is the Z80 implemented - in hardware or emulated on
higher processor, it doesn't matter.
Hello Titus
Tit> That's exactly what the remedy is.
Tit> And emulsion is a much more powerful tool, in no way inferior
Tit> to original :v2_tong;
I agree!; But the real thing is what you can “touch”. IMHO, it's almost the same,
that books are on paper and on the computer. It seems the same, but... Ideally - and in reality
(naturally, if there is a repair base), and emulsion. Like mine! :)))))))))))))))
But, of course, there are certain problems with real life - repairs and all that...
So...
Hello Mike
I voted for real because I am a materialist by nature.
Hello Titus
As sad as it is, I have to admit that the future is still
emulator. :( :( :( :v2_frown; :v2_down:; :v2_cry;
Spectrum; there is less and less left in the world and it seems that the only thing
will remain after some number of years, this is an emulator and memories. This
Of course, it won’t happen tomorrow, but it looks like it will still happen and it’s very bad.
> And emulsion is a much more powerful tool, in no way inferior
> original
Emulsion is not a more powerful tool and it is inferior to real life in the same way as rubber
the woman is real.
Hello Titus
Yes, I agree. From the player's point of view, there is no difference between an emulator and a real computer.
But from a programmer's point of view, there is a difference. And very big.
In general, I think that voting was not organized correctly: after all, even during our lifetime
Specky users were divided into several conditional groups. Players and
programmers. Each of these categories of users has its own requirements for
car. And this is confirmed by the voting results.
Hello Argonavt
Arg> Let me disagree with you: which emulator allows you to write in
Arg> real floppy disks? Or create your own partition on a PC hard drive? And
Arg> then, should I work with it? There is not and cannot be such an emulator!
Arg> And all possible hobets are crutches by definition.
These are the shortcomings of specific emulators, and not the direction as a whole: v2_biggr:
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> No problem, there will be games now. I'm sitting at the PC, the child is at the ZX - playing
Bla> games. Replace the ZX with an emulsion, but so that the child does not touch my PC :).
Bla> So again, would you recommend throwing away the ZX and buying another PC?
Bla> Are you, dear man, perhaps an agent of the Jewish boy Bill Geitz?
Bla> :)
You again descend to your personal problem and move away from the topic.
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> Well, make a control computer on the emulator instead of the real thing :) . Considering
Bla> that this computer is just a debugging tool for some
Bla> of an external system, and not an end in itself. If you don’t do it, there’s no point, it’s easier than RS
Bla> use as a replacement for ZX. In general, the topic is absurd.
The control computer is a special case.
Specky is valuable not for its hardware, but primarily for its huge fleet of games and other software.
It is important that everything works correctly and comfortably :-) For this you need an emulsion :-)
Hello Surfin' Bird
Sur> Stupid and incorrect poll. "Emulator" is not a computer, but
Sur> "crutch" for the computer.
Absolutely baseless thesis :v2_biggr;
More; I repeat once again - the emulator allows EVERYTHING THE SAME as the real thing, plus
additional amenities. For both gamers and programmers.
Hello new art
new> Show me the emulsion with FRAME.
new> ...
new> If the direction as a whole has not created a normal one in 15 years
new> emulator,
new> I don’t know, maybe he doesn’t know how to write here?
new> Although there seem to be foreign emuls and they are also all unfinished.
With what frame??? Maybe the emulsion is running One-Frame?
Some may not be very skilled, while others may be lazy or just didn’t get around to it...
Hello Titus
Tit> Absolutely baseless thesis :v2_biggr;
Tit>; I repeat once again - the emulator allows EVERYTHING THE SAME as the real thing, plus
Tit> additional amenities. For both gamers and programmers.
Let me disagree with you: which emulator allows you to write on real
floppy disks? Or create your own partition on a PC hard drive? And then, work with
him? There is not and cannot be such an emulator!
And all possible hobets are crutches by definition.
Hello Titus
Tit> These are the shortcomings of specific emulators, not the direction as a whole
If the direction as a whole has not created a normal emulator in 15 years,
I don’t know, maybe he doesn’t know how to write here?
Although there seem to be foreign emuls and they are also all unfinished.
Hello Titus
Tit> I repeat once again - the emulator allows EVERYTHING THE SAME
Show me an emulsion with a FRAME.
Hello, Black_Cat
Is real necessary? Hmm... How many people are there ready to write only under
emulator?
I definitely won’t write anything for the emulsion.
But for real, I have something in the works. It's slow, of course, but it's going. A
I wouldn’t even try emulsion, despite the fact that there are a lot of ideas.
So my answer is REAL. Definitely.
Hello Southern Bear
Devices that the real Spectrum works with (50Hz monitor, FDD and IDE HDD
disk drives, printers, etc.) are currently either no longer produced or
will soon come off the assembly line. Today there is simply no one to develop the real Spectrum.
And programming on an emulator is much more convenient than in real life. On the emulator
You can simulate any model of a real Spectrum.
Hello Surfin' Bird
Juk> Devices with which the real Spectrum works (50Hz monitor, FDD
Juk> and IDE HDD drives, printers, etc.), currently or no longer
Juk> are being produced or will soon leave the assembly line.
This is a very extensive list. TV/VGA is at least not 50Hz but probably 100Hz
will/will remain, the flop guide is not a device worth crying over (lack of
Flashatin alternative to Tyrdos I hope temporary difficulty), IDE for a long time
will live (if not forever) in the form of compact flashes. In flight only USB unconnected
printers (I don’t know about others, but personally I don’t need a printer on the spec,
I just don’t know why to connect it...).
Juk> Today there is simply no one to develop the real Spectrum.
Nonsense, there would be a massive need (here ready-made devices are not very
are in demand ;) ). The same www.zxbada.bbk.org is even developing (and
It’s a very open project) ;) . In the closed section, it’s even very vidyukha
for spec.
Sur> An “emulator” is not a computer, but a “crutch” for a computer.
"Emulator" is a "crutch" for Spectrum! ;) Because it’s hard without him :D
Hello elf
Real or emulator
Of course it's real!
Here's an analogy: rubber woman or real? Rubber of course! Rubber -
she is soft, elastic, her tits will not sag, her hair will not grow, she is always
ready, etc! she is definitely better! Vivat, rubber, VIVAT!
In my opinion, there should be no disputes here among a real spektrumist. REAL - AND
NOTHING MORE. Questions about hardware, software, etc. are a topic for another thread.
I will say for myself that as a musician I use a cross-platform tracker for
writing music for spec. But absolutely everyone was guilty of this! Even for someone so beloved
some NES comrades used cross-platform editors - both ASM and
and music, and gfh! They didn't even test it on the NES. But this doesn't mean that the NES is shit,
if only because it is still relevant, and, by the way, less than spec. By
at least in Russia.
Hello ASDT
It is incomparably more convenient to develop on an emulator. But watch demos, listen to music
etc. I feel better in real life. Everything that happens has a special taste. Well then
I don’t want to advocate for my approach to anyone. So the survey is missing
points.
Hello Titus
The point of this topic is to throw away the ZX and buy a PC. Or RS vs ZX. Strange, let's just say
posing a question for this forum :) .
Hello Titus
Tit> the emulator allows EVERYTHING THE SAME as the real thing
Well, make a control computer on the emulator instead of the real thing :). Considering that this
a computer is just a debugging tool for some external system, and
not an end in itself. If you don’t do it, there’s no point, it’s easier to use a PC as
replacement ZX. In general, the topic is absurd.
Hello Titus
Tit> first of all, a huge game park
No problem, there will be games now. I'm sitting at the PC, the child is at the ZX - playing games.
Replace the ZX with an emulsion, but so that the child does not touch my PC :) . What, again
Would you recommend throwing away the ZX and buying another PC?
Are you, dear man, perhaps an agent of the Jewish boy Bill Geitz? :)
Hello, Jukov
Stupid and incorrect poll. An "emulator" is not a computer, but a "crutch" for
computer. Thus, the topic should be read as follows: “Spectrum or PC?”. Well, or
more broadly - “Spectrum or any_other_platform”.
Naturally, I vote for Spectrum.
P.S.: Again, one cannot say that hardware is not supported, so the emulsion is
the only alternative. This is called confusing cause with effect.
Hello Argonavt
I don’t see the point of choosing. It must be both. Both in the present and in the future.
Hello Titus
Yes, this is nonsense... Comparison is fundamentally wrong!
Hello, Black_Cat
The topic is absolutely not constructive, the maximum that can be done here is
write down that there is a spec for yourself and nothing more. What are you arguing about? which one
Is the marker redder or greener? some people like to create on a real spec, others
you need real, someone is just nostalgic, an emulator is enough for him (like, say, me).
and little may change in the future. the issue being raised is empty, no need
bother yourself and fool others.
Hello Titus
Tit> With what frame??? Maybe the emulsion is running One-Frame?
I'm talking about the lack of smoothness of the image.
The situation is better with consoles; NTSC releases on 60Hz LCD look almost perfect.
Hello Titus
But if you connect a TV to the PC and set it to 50Hz, has anyone tried this?
Hello new art
new> I'm talking about the lack of smoothness of the image.
new> With consoles the situation is better, NTSC releases on 60Hz LCD look almost
new> perfect.
There are several possible solutions.
1. Use multiple vertical scans (100, 150Hz) with appropriate
filters
2. Boost the video driver to 50Hz frame scan mode (if
Of course the monitor supports this frequency)
3. Use special filters for 60Hz modes. This will give smoothness, but
will add some MotionBlur
4. There is another idea, but I haven’t tested it in practice yet, I won’t cover it
Hello, The Exploited
The> and if you connect a TV to the PC and set it to 50Hz, has anyone tried
The> so?
Yes, this is possible, although the image will be worse than on an RGB monitor, because... signal
still composite
Hello, The Exploited
The> and if you connect a TV to the PC and set it to 50Hz, has anyone tried
The> so?
A healer once recommended a program called PowerStrip, in which you can install
generally any frequency of the monitor, if it, of course, supports it. However
The emulators I know for WIN still miss one thing every 20-30 seconds
from interrupts, with all settings for synchronization. But there are emulators that
The video card ports are available, and the normal 50 Hz mode is selected in them, in which
everything works in the most natural ONE-FRAME 50 frames.
Hello new art
new> After which the eyes completely drain.
new> Monicas can show it, but they blink, it’s creepy.
This depends on the specific model. If the afterglow is small, it will blink
not bad... ;-)
Hello Robus
Rob> and in them the normal mode of 50 Hz is selected, in which everything works
Rob> the most natural ONE-FRAME 50 frames.
After which the eyes completely bleed out.
Monicas can show it, but they blink, it’s creepy.
Hello Titus
Tit> Yes, this is possible, although the image will be worse than on an RGB monitor, because
Tit> the signal is still composite
Through s-video the quality is quite acceptable.
those arguing - the option of connecting to TV was offered
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> No problem, there will be games now. I'm sitting at the PC, the child is at the ZX - playing
Bla> games. Replace the ZX with an emulsion, but so that the child does not touch my PC :).
Bla> So again, would you recommend throwing away the ZX and buying another PC?
Bla> Are you, dear man, perhaps an agent of the Jewish boy Bill Geitz?
Bla> :)
In this case, it’s easier to buy another PC. Old of course, some kind
first stump. It will be even cheaper than a fancy spec and much more powerful. A
Just for a child to play, there are plenty of consoles, the first PS, Sega, etc. All this
now it costs pennies. Another question, of course, if the goal is to involve the child
to the spec and so that he understands that besides the PC there are other platforms in this
world.
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> Again - give your wife to your uncle, and go to b...i.. What's the point? The question was
Bla> that Titus threatened to replace ZX in any application with an emulsion. Well
Bla> naturally - nothing happened :).
I am the opinion of uv. I don't support Titus.
What is the actual question here, what is required? Keep the child occupied in order to
Didn't use my father's computer or use spec?
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> It is necessary to show Titus the error of his judgments :).
Titus! I declare responsibly and with all seriousness: bro, you are wrong!
:v2_finge; Simulator; This is not for papal understanding. :v2_finge; Prev.;
Well, if you’re really serious, I’ve already written my opinion. Speck is also
sensations. For us, Spectrumites, this is not just a “computer with ~ 1 MIPS and 8-bit
data bus."
Hello Mike
Mik> what is required?
It is required to show Titus the error of his judgments :).
Hello Mike
Mik> in this case it’s easier to buy another PC
Mik> full of consoles, the first PS, Sega, etc.
Again - give your wife to your uncle, and go to b...i.. What's the point? The question was:
Titus threatened to replace ZX in any application with emulsion. Well, naturally -
nothing happened :smile; .; Not because the emulsion is bad, but because when
this violates the law of conservation of matter :smile; .; Emulsion cannot be replaced
nothing, they can only complement an existing computer: v2_devil:
Hello new art
new> Monicas can show it, but they blink, it’s creepy.
TFTs don't blink. I recently looked at the specifications - frame rate for many from 47Hz.