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From Nikolaj Amosov To All 15 July 2003

Greetings, All! I'm wondering why on all the monicas I've met purple color is decomposed into two components - red and the blue one that doesn't quite match the screen? Moreover, I saw this both on video monitors and on SVGA... Is there some kind of delay when drawing this color? [REAL ZX]

From Kirill Frolov To Nikolaj Amosov 16 July 2003

Press RESET immediately, Nikolaj Amosov! On Tue, 15 Jul 03 21:08:02 +0400, Nikolaj Amosov wrote: NA> I'm wondering why on all the monicas that I've encountered You just met people like that. NA> the purple color is decomposed into two components - red and NA> blue Because in your eye the colors are sorted into these components. Well, they did the same in the monitor, for simplicity. NA> which on the screen do not quite match? Beam convergence is not configured. As a rule, the center is fine, and at the edges you can see something like this. Not necessarily with red and blue color. In good and tuned monitors the discrepancy is minimal, in Chinese and upset it is very noticeable, which limits the resolution monitor (stated 1024x768, but displays more or less normally only in 800x600). If you don't count trinitrons, that is, picture tubes two types, differing in the location of the phosphor dots: Type 1. Type 2. (C) (C)(Z)(K) (H) (K) If you look closely, you can easily see what kind of kinescope. As a rule, in type 1 the cathodes are located in the same way, and in type 2, the cathodes are located on the same straight line. In the case when cathodes are located on one straight line; setting up the information is simpler and canbe made with special magnets mounted on the neck of the kinescope. For type 1 picture tubes, the convergence setting is incredibly complex and is performed on a kinescope (roughly) and a correction circuit (capacitors, coils) turned on in front of the deflection system (exactly). If you want to configure it yourself, it’s better not to bother. If you really want it then get a competent book on TV repair that describes the procedure beam convergence settings, and follow the instructions, especially when it comes to kinescopes of the 1st type. Without instructions, you won't set up anything, but you'll do it even worse - tested from my own experience. Well, of course, you need program for displaying on the screen tuning tables such as "grid" and "points" different colors (white on black, as well as all combinations of two colors). I would also like to note that any kinescope is strongly influenced by any magnetic fields, for example nearby transformers, permanent magnets (in audio speakers), etc. And external magnetic fields may be the cause distortion of color purity and the cause of ray convergence detuning. And most The main thing is that the kinescope is affected by the earth's magnetic field. As a result, configured kinescope, when changing its spatial (turned, for example) and the geographical location may no longer be entirely finely tuned. For type 1 picture tubes this is especially noticeable - oldTVs like "Rainbow-716" were supposed to be adjusted at the place of their installation. PS: there is only one conclusion - a crazy “white” monitor is better than a new “yellow” one...

From Nikolaj Amosov To Kirill Frolov 16 July 2003

Hello Kirill! Wednesday July 16, 2003 02:19:27 Kirill Frolov -> Nikolaj Amosov: NA>> the purple color is decomposed into two components - NA>> red and NA>> blue KF> Because you have colors in your eye based on these components KF> unfold. I don’t understand how the monitor produces such colors as white and yellow? Well, everything is clear with red, blue and green - There are matching color guns. Purple = red+blue. What about white? I'm with a lens now crawled along the kinescope and I see obvious white dots, not mixture of colors. There are also some confusion with yellow. I think it would be better instead a green cannon would be yellow (green=blue+yellow). KF> Well, they did the same in the monitor, for simplicity. this is understandable. NA>> which on the screen do not quite match? KF> Beam convergence is not configured. Typically in the center KF> ok, The fact of the matter is that the mixing is almost perfect, but on purple ruins everything. It feels like somewhere in the scheme There is a delay in issuing signals to the color guns. KF> and at the edges you can see something like this. Not necessarily with red KF> and blue KF> color. In good and tuned monitors there is a discrepancy KF> minimum, I'm fine everywhere. KF> in Chinese and upset it is very noticeable that KF> limits resolution KF> monitor (1024x768 is stated, but more or less normal I'm talking about the EGA monitor. KF> shows KF> only in 800x600). If you don't count trinitrons, that is KF> picture tubes KF> of two types, differing in the location of the phosphor dots: KF> Type 1. Type 2. KF> (С) (С)(З)(К) KF> (Z) (K) KF> If you look closely, you can easily see which one KF> you have KF> kinescope. As a rule, type 1 has cathodes located KF> in the same way I have type 1. I saw picture tubes with dots of the second type - it looked terrible. In the first type, the points are denser, and in the second vertical gaps appear, especially on the main ones (RGB) colors, since one pixel is lit, but two adjacent ones are not. KF> For type 1 picture tubes, the convergence setting is incredibly complex and [disk error] KF> If you want to configure it yourself, it’s better not to bother. If very I already have experience in “tuning” mixing. First I did this on Rainbow 716 - upset everything, then tore off the “black ones” things" from the VTC201 kinescope. As it turned out later they were correction magnets. I'm not dealing with this anymore... [disk error] KF> the main thing is that the kinescope is affected by the earth's magnetic field. B KF> result, KF> configured kinescope, when changing its own KF> spatial (rotated KF> for example) and the geographical location may be narrower KF> not really KF> finely tuned. This is especially true for type 1 picture tubes That's it for sure. The most interesting thing is that you can just turn the monitor on its side Turn it and wonder for a long time where the magnets on the table came from. And yet the problem exists, despite the clear mixing... [REAL ZX]

From Aleksandr Majorov To Nikolaj Amosov 17 July 2003

Hello Nikolaj! 16 Jul 03 21:54, Nikolaj Amosov -> Kirill Frolov: [skipped] NA> It’s not clear to me how the monitor produces colors like NA> white and yellow? Well, everything is clear with red, blue and green - NA> there are corresponding color guns. Purple = NA> red+blue. NA> What about white? Red + Blue + Green NA> Just now I was crawling along the kinescope with a lens and I see NA> frank white dots, not a mixture of colors. It's just your imagination. In the same way, it only seems to you that there is a picture on the screen, but in fact there is only one point “running” there. NA> There are also some confusion with yellow. Red + green NA> In my opinion, it would be better instead NA> a green cannon would be yellow (green=blue+yellow). No, not better. Three colors (red, blue, green) is the minimum number of colors from which you can build white. And therefore all other colors. Moreover, this is true only for emitting colors, i.e. monitor screen. When using reflected light, a different color mixing is used - CMYK. AS an example - a sheet of paper with different squiggles) Here in CMYK the yellow color is used (Yellow)Moreover, in practice they use not 4-color paints, but 5-color ones - they add black color to CMYK so as not to deal with bullshit with cerny text %) However, there are other color mixes, 6 colors... Now let’s take a look at economics - what’s easier/cheaper to do: a monitor that has only three color enhancement schemes, three guns a kinescope or 4 or more? Estimate the difference in price for a b/w kinescope and a three-color one, and calculate how much it will cost for 4 or more color ones. And the last thing - if I’m not glitching, then humans have color-sensitive elements in the eye (either cones or rods, which are responsible for the “daytime” vision) react specifically to the RGB components of color. [skipped] KF>> Beam convergence is not configured. Typically in the center KF>> ok, NA> The fact of the matter is that the mixing is almost perfect, but NA> purple ruins everything. It feels like somewhere in the scheme NA> there is a delay in issuing signals to color guns. Yeah, as soon as Monique notices that they're showing purple, So does it immediately turn on delays? %) They told you correctly - the convergence of the rays is not configured. I myself once lost the convergence of the rays on the TV (when this TV was working "monikom" from Speck). So exactly the same picture was observed - all the colors seemed to be normal(precisely “seemingly”!), but the purple one, and closer to the edges, yes - it was falling apart into components. [skipped] KF>> in Chinese and upset, it is very noticeable that KF>> limits resolution KF>> monitor (stated 1024x768, but more or less normal NA> I'm talking about the EGA monitor. Is Monique old? This may also have an effect. [skipped] KF>> If you want to configure it yourself, it’s better not to bother. If very NA> I already have experience in “setting up” mixing. First I did it on NA> Rainbow 716 - upset everything, then tore off the “black ones NA> things" from the VTC201 kinescope. As it turned out later, they were NA> correction magnets. I don't bother with this anymore... Hehe, and I acted on the principle “once you messed up the settings, set them up!” and “if you suffer for a long time...” In short, at the very least, both the Soviet TV with 61 cm diagonally, and VTC201 but set up mixing... within a couple of weeks of work%) [skipped] KF>> the main thing is that the kinescope is affected by the earth's magnetic field. B KF>> result, the configured kinescope, when changing its KF>> spatial (rotated, for example) and geographic location KF>> may not be quite KF>> finely tuned. This is especially true for type 1 picture tubes NA> That's it for sure. The most interesting thing is that you can just turn the monitor on its side NA> turn and wonder for a long time where the magnets on the table came from. Professional monitors for working with graphics have a special option in the menu - “adjust to the current magnetic position”. NA> And yet the problem exists, despite the clear NA> reduction... I threw purple color across the screen in Photoshop - well, I don’t have it such a color scheme. The color purple is everywhere. And at work they work with layout/output (there are usual 20...21' monitors) They also don’t complain about this “decomposition” of color. Alexand

From Nikolaj Amosov To Aleksandr Majorov 17 July 2003

Hello, Alexander! Thursday 17 July 2003 01:27:25 Aleksandr Majorov -> Nikolaj Amosov: KF>>> Beam convergence is not configured. Typically in the center KF>>> ok NA>> The fact of the matter is that the mixing is almost perfect, but NA>> on NA>> purple ruins everything. It feels like somewhere in the scheme NA>> there is a delay in issuing signals to color guns. AM> Yeah, as soon as Monique notices that purple is shown AM> color, AM> so does it immediately turn on delays? %) Why, I had this happen with the very first Monica - as soon as the green gun comes into play, so the outline appears on the right. Monique had to come back and take the World Trade Center... KF>>> in the Chinese and upset, it is very noticeable that KF>>> limits resolution KF>>> monitor (stated 1024x768, but more or less normal NA>> I'm talking about the EGA monitor. AM> Is Monique old? This may also have an effect. Well, what do you think, when did they make Ega Monica? About 88 somewhere like... AM> [skipped] KF>>> If you want to configure it yourself, it’s better not to bother. If KF>>> very NA>> I already have experience in “setting up” mixing. First I did NA>> this is on NA>> Rainbow 716 - upset everything, then tore off the “black ones NA>> things" from the VTC201 kinescope. As it turned out later they were NA>> correction magnets. I don't bother with this anymore... AM> Hehe, and I acted on the principle “once I messed up the setting, here it is AM> and set it up!" AM> and “if you suffer for a long time...” AM> In short, at least the Soviet TV has 61 cm AM> diagonals, and y AM> VTC201 but set up mixing... within a couple of weeks of work AM> %) Everything was much worse for me - it turned out that several coils They just cracked when I twisted them a little. return them it was no longer possible to “twist” [REAL ZX]

From Aleksandr Majorov To Nikolaj Amosov 18 July 2003

Hello Nikolaj! 17 Jul 03 21:49, Nikolaj Amosov -> Aleksandr Majorov: [skipped] AM>> Yeah, as soon as Monique notices that purple is shown AM>> color, so does it immediately turn on the delay? %) NA> Why, I had this happen with the very first Monica - as soon as NA> the green cannon comes into play, so the outline appears on the right. Of course, I’m not an expert on monicas, so I can only guess: - a kinescope glitch, as a result of which when the green gun is “turned on” there was interference with the control electrodes of the remaining guns - here you go contour. - circuit glitch: when a signal appeared on the green amplifier, there was pickup other amplifiers. But in any case, this is not the malicious intent of Monik himself) [skipped] NA>>> I'm talking about the EGA monitor. AM>> Is Monique old? This may also have an effect. NA> Well, what do you think, when did they make ega Monica? About 88 somewhere NA> like... Well, Monica’s resource has long been exhausted, there’s nothing to be surprised about at all sorts of glitches. There, both convergence and focusing could have already gone wrong, the guns themselves could have already burned out and shine in the wrong place%) [skipped] NA> Everything was much worse for me - it turned out that several coils NA> they just split when I twisted them a little. Return them NA> it was no longer possible to “twist” Well then, listen to the words of FK0 - don’t interfere, since you like to break everything%) Alexand

From Kirill Frolov To Nikolaj Amosov 18 July 2003

Press RESET immediately, Nikolaj Amosov! On Wed, 16 Jul 03 20:54:50 +0400, Nikolaj Amosov wrote: NA> It’s not clear to me how the monitor produces such colors as NA> white and yellow? There is no white color at all, it is a visual effect. Yellow turns out to be red + green, and white is a combination of all component (blue, red, green). NA> Well, everything is clear with red, blue and green - NA> there are corresponding color guns. Purple = NA> red+blue. What about white? I'm with the lens now NA> crawled along the kinescope and I see obvious white dots, not Crawled poorly. You're probably mistaking green for white. NA>>> which on the screen do not quite match? KF>> Beam convergence is not configured. Typically in the center KF>> ok, NA> The fact of the matter is that the mixing is almost perfect, but on How did you check? Do you have Nokia monitor test? There are very An interesting mode for assessing the quality of mixing - try it. NA> purple ruins everything. It feels like somewhere in the scheme NA> there is a delay in issuing signals to color guns.Of course it happens. But it usually doesn’t affect mixing. In a color kinescope (except for trinitrons) there is an iron mask in front screen. There are many small holes made in the mask for each ray, one for each pixel. As a result, if the beam is out of focus or misses slightly, it does not hit neighboring pixels. If the delay in some channel is very large, then, probably, All colors will be displayed separately on the screen. KF>> color. In good and tuned monitors there is a discrepancy KF>> minimum, NA> I’m fine everywhere. You contradict yourself. If the color diverges on purple, it means abnormal. You can check in a combination of primary colors: red-green (yellow), red-blue (purple), green-blue (cyan, I don’t know how it is in Russian) and white. And even better, like this Nokia test does: draws parallel vertical and horizontal lines in which the color, one of the three main ones, changes every several points (familiarity on the Spectrum). If there are kinks in the lines - This means the rays do not converge. There would be such a test on the Spectrum. In BASIC can be done. Who would do it... KF>> in Chinese and upset, it is very noticeable that NA> I'm talking about the EGA monitor. He's already old. In fact, it requires re-tuning. KF>> If you don’t count trinitrons, then there are picture tubes KF>> of two types, differing in the location of the phosphor dots: KF>> Type 1. Type 2. KF>> (С) (С)(З)(К) KF>> (Z) (K) NA> I have type 1. This sucks. Their mixing is worse. NA> I saw picture tubes with dots of the second type - it looked terrible. NA> The first type has more densely spaced points, while the second type NA> vertical gaps appear, especially on the main ones (RGB) NA> colors, since one pixel is lit, but two adjacent ones are not. It all depends only on the pixel size (the so-called “grain size”). Good picture tubes are quite small. NA> That's it for sure. The most interesting thing is that you can just turn the monitor on its side NA> turn and wonder for a long time where the magnets on the table came from. It seems to me that picture tubes of the 1st type (with a triangular arrangement cathodes) are particularly sensitive to the earth's magnetic field. For picture tubes with parallel arrangement of cathodes and phosphor points of the same colors arranged in parallel vertical rows. As a result, suchCRTs may be less sensitive to beam deflection offset along the vertical coordinate. This is just my guess, which is very agrees well with the position of the monitor relative to the ground field. It turns out that the deflection system of any type 1 kinescope must necessarily correct the influence of the earth's magnetic field. I wonder how this works... NA> And yet the problem exists, despite the clear NA> reduction... How clear is it if the colors diverge? Are you confusing it with focus?

From Kirill Frolov To Aleksandr Majorov 18 July 2003

Press RESET immediately, Aleksandr Majorov! On Thu, 17 Jul 03 00:27:25 +0400, Aleksandr Majorov wrote: AM> It only seems to you. AM> In the same way, it only seems to you that there is a picture on the screen AM> but in fact there is only one point “running”. But it doesn’t run, but slowly fades away... AM> I threw purple color across the screen in Photoshop - well, I don’t have it AM> such a color scheme. The color purple is everywhere. But you won’t see it. Clearly visible at individual points, even better at broken lines of different colors. AM> Yes, and at work they work with layout/output (there are regular 20...21' monitors) AM> also do not complain about such “decomposition” of color. Probably, such monitors are not made in China.

From Aleksandr Majorov To Kirill Frolov 18 July 2003

Hello Kirill! 18 Jul 03 01:17, Kirill Frolov -> Aleksandr Majorov: [skipped] AM>> It only seems to you. AM>> In the same way, it only seems to you that there is a picture on the screen AM>> but in fact there is only one point “running”. KF> But it doesn’t run, but slowly fades away... Where it ran it fades, but not slowly. Afterglow is now at Monique They don't seem to be doing much. [skipped] AM>> Yes, and at work they work with layout/output (there are regular monitors AM>> 20...21') also do not complain about such “decomposition” of color. KF> Probably, such monitors are not made in China. No, they seem to be ordinary monicas. Well, the ones on Macs are branded, yes;) Alexand

From Nikolaj Amosov To Aleksandr Majorov 18 July 2003

Hello, Alexander! Friday July 18, 2003 00:40:05 Aleksandr Majorov -> Nikolaj Amosov: AM>>> Is Monique old? This may also have an effect. NA>> Well, what do you think, when did they make ega Monica? Year 88 NA>> somewhere NA>> like... AM> Well, Monica’s resource has long been exhausted, there’s nothing left here AM> be surprised at all sorts of glitches. AM> THERE, both convergence and focusing could have already gone wrong, the guns themselves AM> could have already burned out AM> and shine in the wrong place %) Do you think it was still used or something? No matter how it is - he He spent 8 years in a closet, and then he was given to me. Magnificent state - clean, focused, bright, contrasty;) [REAL ZX]

From Nikolaj Amosov To Kirill Frolov 18 July 2003

Hello Kirill! Friday July 18, 2003 01:14:27 Kirill Frolov -> Nikolaj Amosov: NA>> Well, everything is clear with red, blue and green - NA>> there are corresponding color guns. Purple = NA>> red+blue. What about white? I'm with the lens now NA>> crawled along the kinescope and I see obvious white dots, not KF> He crawled poorly. You're probably mistaking green for white. No, I perfectly see the differences between green and white. KF>>> Beam convergence is not configured. Typically in the center KF>>> ok NA>> The fact of the matter is that the mixing is almost perfect, but NA>> on KF> How did you check? Do you have Nokia monitor test? There By eye - I poked my nose into the screen and looked at the edges of the symbols. KF> there are very KF> interesting mode for assessing the quality of mixing - try it. Nokia probably doesn’t work with EGA mons, since it’s a Windows one, but Provide Windows with at least a VGA monitor. KF> for each pixel. As a result, if the beam KF> unfocused or KF> misses slightly, then it does not hit the neighboring ones KF> pixels. If KF> the delay in some channel is very large, then KF> probably on KF> on the screen, all colors will be displayed separately. The rest of the colors are fine. KF>>> color. In good and tuned monitors there is a discrepancy KF>>> minimum, NA>> I’m fine everywhere. KF> You contradict yourself. Once on purple KF> diverges, that means KF> abnormal. You can check in a combination of the main KF> colors: KF> red-green (yellow), red-blue (purple), KF> green-blue KF> (cyan, I don’t know how it is in Russian) and white. And even better, how KF> this KF> Nokia test does: draws parallel vertical and KF> horizontal KF> lines whose color, one of the three main ones, changes KF> every KF> several dots (familiarity on the Spectrum). If on the lines KF> there are kinks -- KF> means the rays do not converge. There would be such a test on the Spectrum. Ha KF> BASIC KF> can be done. Who would do it... I remember such a test - I had it at the very first Spekovskaya cassette with programs. If I dig it up, I'll check it. KF>>> in the Chinese and upset, it is very noticeable that NA>> I'm talking about the EGA monitor. KF> He's already old. In fact, it requires re-configuration. The only adjustment you need to make is to correct geometry. True, I did not find such adjustments either outside or inside the monitor. My screen is slightly trapezoidal. In addition, depending on what is drawn on the screen the screen can take different shapes - sometimes it bends to the side, sometimes will bend inward. Probably really, despite its good condition it is quite old. But there is no other way. Or rather, there seems to be an MC6107, but it’s faulty and I have to get into it I'm afraid... [disk error] NA>> And yet the problem exists, despite the clear NA>> reduction... KF> How clear is it if the colors diverge? You're in focus KF> are you confused? No, I'm not confusing. I know what stupid mixing is and I see that I'm okay.In general, okay - let's talk about the color purple... But only about him ;) [REAL ZX]

From Aleksandr Majorov To Nikolaj Amosov 19 July 2003

Hello Nikolaj! 18 Jul 03 21:53, Nikolaj Amosov -> Aleksandr Majorov: [skipped] AM>> Well, Monica’s resource has long been exhausted, there’s nothing left here AM>> be surprised at all sorts of glitches. AM>> There, both convergence and focusing could have already gone wrong, the guns themselves AM>> could have already burned out AM>> and shine in the wrong place %) NA> Do you think it was still used or something? No matter how it is - he NA> He spent 8 years in the closet, and then he was given to me. Magnificent NA> state - clean, focused, bright, contrasting ;) Are you sure that any magnets there haven’t become demagnetized, the coils haven’t gone haywire?) and all that stuff? Even 8 years of standing in a closet IMHO will have a negative impact on Monica, as on other equipment. Alexand

From Kirill Frolov To Aleksandr Majorov 19 July 2003

Press RESET immediately, Aleksandr Majorov! On Thu, 17 Jul 03 23:40:05 +0400, Aleksandr Majorov wrote: NA>> Why, I had this happen with the very first Monica - as soon as NA>> the green cannon comes into play, so the outline appears on the right. AM> Of course, I’m not an expert on Monicas, so I can only guess: AM> - kinescope glitch, resulting in a green gun when "turned on" AM> there was interference with the control electrodes of the remaining guns - here you go AM> contour. AM> - circuit glitch: when a signal appeared on the green amplifier, there was pickup AM> other amplifiers. It can't be. There is no impulse control there.

From Kirill Frolov To Nikolaj Amosov 19 July 2003

Press RESET immediately, Nikolaj Amosov! On Fri, 18 Jul 03 20:56:58 +0400, Nikolaj Amosov wrote: NA>>> Well, everything is clear with red, blue and green - NA>>> there are corresponding color guns. Purple = NA>>> red+blue. What about white? I'm with the lens now NA>>> crawled along the kinescope and I see obvious white dots, not KF>> He crawled poorly. You're probably mistaking green for white. NA> No, I perfectly see the differences between green and white. It sucks, you see. Look through dark glass and lens. KF>> How did you check? Do you have Nokia monitor test? There NA> By eye - I poked my nose into the screen and looked at the edges of the characters. So you won't see anything... NA> Nokia probably doesn’t work with EGA monks, since it’s a Windows one, but NA> provide Windows with at least a VGA monitor. Well, yes. Take a screenshot under Windows and look under DOS. KF>> on the screen all colors will be displayed separately. NA> The rest of the colors are fine. Doubtful... KF>> means the rays do not converge. There would be such a test on the Spectrum. Ha KF>> can be done in BASIC. Who would do it... NA> I remember such a test - I had it at the very first Spekovskaya NA> cassette with programs. If I dig it up, I'll check it. You can write it yourself in 5 minutes... PLOT, DRAW, INK... Only the spec has a very large curb - this is bad, because as usual The rays diverge on the border (and that’s why the speck has such a large border). NA>>> I'm talking about the EGA monitor. KF>> He's already old. In fact, it requires re-configuration. NA> The only adjustment that needs to be made is to correct it NA> geometry. True, I did not find such adjustments either outside or NA> inside the monitor. My screen is slightly trapezoidal. The grave will correct the hunchback. NA>>> And yet the problem exists, despite the clear NA>>> reduction... KF>> How clear is it if the colors diverge? You're in focus KF>> are you confused? NA> No, I’m not confusing. I know what stupid mixing is and I see that NA> I'm okay. Well, you yourself write that magenta doesn’t match. Just on thisThe discrepancy is best seen in color. Or you only have one beam diverging.

From Kirill Frolov To Nikolaj Amosov 19 July 2003

Press RESET immediately, Nikolaj Amosov! On Fri, 18 Jul 03 20:53:22 +0400, Nikolaj Amosov wrote: AM>> Well, Monica’s resource has long been exhausted, there’s nothing left here NA> Do you think it was still used or something? No matter how it is - he Do you think electronics only consume their resources while they are on? If not vice versa... there is an opinion that the electrolytic capacitors get very worse from idleness.

From Aleksandr Majorov To Kirill Frolov 19 July 2003

Hello Kirill! 19 Jul 03 06:49, Kirill Frolov -> Aleksandr Majorov: [skipped] AM>> Of course, I’m not an expert on Monicas, so I can only guess: AM>> - kinescope glitch, resulting in a green gun when “turned on” AM>> there was interference with the control electrodes of the remaining guns - AM>> here is the outline for you. - circuit glitch: when the signal appears on green AM>> the amplifier was interfering with other amplifiers. KF> It can't be. There is no impulse control there. Why can't it be? Suppose somewhere in the circuit something has come off/unsoldered and the potential is from the green gun began to fall into the amplification circuits of other guns. Alexand

From Nikolaj Amosov To Kirill Frolov 19 July 2003

Hello Kirill! Saturday July 19, 2003 06:57:18 Kirill Frolov -> Nikolaj Amosov: KF>>> He crawled poorly. You're probably mistaking green for white. NA>> No, I perfectly see the differences between green and white. KF> It sucks, you see. Look through dark glass and lens. That's it, I saw it - I had to change the 2x lens to a larger one multiplicity. Truly a mixture of colors... [REAL ZX]

From Nikolaj Amosov To Kirill Frolov 19 July 2003

Hello Kirill! Saturday 19 July 2003 06:59:30 Kirill Frolov -> Nikolaj Amosov: AM>>> Well, Monica’s resource has long been exhausted, there’s nothing left here NA>> Do you think it was still used or something? No matter how it is NA>> - he KF> Do you think electronics only consume their resources while they are in use KF> enabled? KF> If not the other way around... there is an opinion that those standing idle KF> electrolytic KF> capacitors get very worse from idleness. At least the tube has not exhausted its service life, the colors are not faded and the image did not blur, like on my ex SVGA... [REAL ZX]

From Kirill Frolov To Aleksandr Majorov 20 July 2003

Press RESET immediately, Aleksandr Majorov! On Sat, 19 Jul 03 15:07:03 +0400, Aleksandr Majorov wrote: AM>>> here is the outline for you. - circuit glitch: when the signal appears on green AM>>> the amplifier was interfering with the other amplifiers. KF>> It can’t be. There is no impulse control there. AM> Why can’t it be? It may be possible, but it will not have an effect on the convergence of the rays.

From Aleksandr Majorov To Kirill Frolov 20 July 2003

Hello Kirill! 20 Jul 03 04:22, Kirill Frolov -> Aleksandr Majorov: [skipped] KF>>> It can’t be. There is no impulse control there. AM>> Why can’t it be? KF> It may be, but it will not have an effect on the convergence of rays. Why influence the mixing? If the potential from the green gun hits all the others with some delay, then we get a “contour” on the screen. Alexand

From rNd To Kirill Frolov 25 July 2003

Hello Kirill! 19 Jul 03 6:59, Kirill Frolov -> Nikolaj Amosov: KF> Do you think electronics only consume their resources while they are on? KF> If not the other way around... there is an opinion that the electrolytic that stood idle KF> capacitors get very worse from idleness. oxidize, but this is not the worst thing, it’s worse when it works at its maximum voltage, then the electrolyte turns... like in the movie, shorts I'm turning... trousers are turning... uh) Bay W.B.R. rNd [Team: X-Tension] [FREE]

From rNd To Aleksandr Majorov 25 July 2003

Hello Alexander! 20 Jul 03 14:52, Aleksandr Majorov -> Kirill Frolov: AM> Why influence the mixing? AM> If the potential from the green gun hits all the others with AM> some delay, then we get an “outline” on the screen. IMHO it’s just that the condenser in the video amplifier has lost capacity... (as a result the phase has shifted, or the duty cycle has changed) But in general, if it’s under warranty, it needs to be changed. Bay W.B.R. rNd [Team: X-Tension] [FREE]

From Alexander Bondarenko To Nikolaj Amosov 25 July 2003

*Hello, Nikolaj!* Catch my ideas about the subject “The Color Purple”, which I was talking about when I was 15 Jul 2003 your footcloth to comrade. All. NA> I’m wondering why all the monicas I’ve encountered NA> the purple color is decomposed into two components - red and NA> blue, which on the screen does not quite match? NA> Moreover, I saw this both on video monitors and on SVGA... NA> Does some kind of delay occur when drawing this color? This joke seems to be connected with the eyes, and not with the moniker. /That’s all, Nikolaj, you can scroll further.../

From Kirill Frolov To Alexander Bondarenko 2 August 2003

Press RESET immediately, Alexander Bondarenko! On Fri, 25 Jul 03 20:16:00 +0400, Alexander Bondarenko wrote: NA>> Moreover, I saw this both on video monitors and on SVGA... NA>> Does some kind of delay occur when drawing this color? AB> This joke seems to be connected with the eyes, and not with the moniker. This can't happen.

From Aleksandr Majorov To Kirill Frolov 2 August 2003

Hello Kirill! 02 Aug 03 00:41, Kirill Frolov -> Alexander Bondarenko: [skipped] NA>>> And I saw this both on video monitors and on SVGA... NA>>> Does some kind of delay occur when drawing this color? AB>> This joke seems to be connected with the eyes, and not with the moniker. KF> This cannot be. IMHO it can. The human eye (as I have read) is highly sensitive to blue light. And purple == red + blue, so perhaps the pupil dilates, the eye is there somehow it focuses and a person sees individual pixels better. Alexand