Profi 5.02
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Hello, All
Hello!
Could dear ALL tell you where to find the diagram and description on the Internet?
Profi 502? Need it urgently!!!
Ilya.
Bye.
Hello Elya
Ely> if anyone has a diagram, and if it’s not difficult, write the pinout
Ely> connectors X1A (interface bus - 2nd connector), X3 (X2) (apparently sound and
Ely> tape recorder), and on the BB board - X3 (Kempston/Sinclair - not sure), X4
Ely> (with BB55), X5 (possibly IDE?).
Ely>
Diagram 5.x (in pseudographic) with a description of the indicated connectors in the attached
archive.
Ely> You can use soap elyar(woof-woof)ngs.ru.
Ely> Best regards.
Ely> Ilya.
Ely>
If necessary, I will send by email a description and diagrams of Profi 5.03 in the format
djvu, which Kamil spoke about.
File: profy5.rar http://zx.pk.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=1992
Hello Elya
spe> with 200GB it’s more complicated, AFAIK, ATAPI is used there
LBA48
Hello spensor
spe> If you are sure, then, for reference, tell me where the transition occurred from
spe> LBA28 on LBA48 - on the border of 128GB, or, say, 80GB screws too
spe> can use this mode?
see CHRV's answer - the maximum LBA can be addressed is 128g. but, in principle,
smaller screws can use LBA48 (with the most significant bits zero of course
addresses. but there is no point in including these bits) if they are the least significant ones in one
model range
Hello Elya
Ely> find a diagram and description on the Profi 502 on the internet
I can’t tell you myself, but you can ask Conan, he probably has it.
Ely> Is the connector on the second X5 board a full-fledged IDE? If so, write,
Ely> what screws can be connected? 2.5 gig possible? Or do you need a smaller volume?
You can connect everything that complies with the ATA (IDE) specification (except, of course
SerialATA). That is, at least 40MB, at least 120GB (200GB is more difficult, AFAIK, ATAPI
used), everything can be connected. Problems with "borders", as on PC, (512MB,
8GB, 32GB...) will not be available, since on the Spectrum, work is usually done using
downloadable programs, not the BIOS. The only question left is to write these
programs, or inclusion in ready-made support for Profi-IDE ports.
Hello SMT
SMT> LBA48
If you are sure, then, for reference, tell me where the transition from LBA28 to
LBA48 - on the border of 128GB, or let’s say 80GB screws can also be used
this mode?
Hello spensor
look for the topic "List of domestic specky iron" - there was a link there, or
Google it...
Hello Elya
Hello again!
I didn’t wait for an answer, but if anyone has a diagram, and if it’s not difficult, write
pinout of connectors X1A (interface bus - 2nd connector), X3 (X2) (apparently sound
and tape recorder), and on the BB board - X3 (Kempston/Sinclair - not sure), X4 (with BB55),
X5 (possibly IDE?).
I have diagrams for versions 3.2 and 4.01. If the pinouts of some connectors
are the same, then please write about it.
You can use elyar(woof-woof)ngs.ru soap.
Sincerely.
Ilya.
Bye.
ZYZH The connector on the second X5 board is a full-fledged IDE? If so, write what
Can the screws be connected? 2.5 gig possible? Or do you need a smaller volume?
Hello jtn
jtn> look for the topic "List of domestic speckled iron" - there was a link
jtn> like
Three files:
1) profi503.rar - 737270 bytes
2) profi503.r00 - 737280 bytes
3) profi503.r01 - 718881 bytes
flew in the ZX-Spectrum file echo
This is a description and diagrams of Profi 5.03 in djvu format.
I once downloaded them from a server:
ftp://ddt.demos.su/pub/fileecho/SPECTRUM/
but now it seems to be no longer available.
Hello spensor
spe> If you are sure, then, for reference, tell me where the transition occurred from
spe> LBA28 on LBA48 - on the border of 128GB, or, say, 80GB screws too
spe> can use this mode?
It’s good to drive offtopic!
120GB screws work without LBA48, then comes the LBA48 mode.
Hello Conan
Hello!
Oh, and I “stirred up” the business topic here ;-))).
Thanks for the answers.
I assume that 502 and 503 are identical? I have 502 boards. I turned it on and it works.
About the screws... Interesting question. 120 gig - these are Spectrum programs and
It’s unlikely you’ll ever overload with toys... I have 2.5 gigs, Fujitsu, that’s what I want
connect.
By the way, an interesting question. What file system does the ZX have? Fat? Or yours?
And also, when connecting the screw, who should install it? Slave, Master, Cable select? Or
doesn't matter?
Conan, send me the schematics, plzzzz!!! On e-mail: elyar(woof-woof)ngs.ru. Now on the internet
I don't have anything to look for, so I'm asking. Thank you so much in advance!
Ilya.
Bye.
Hello Elya
Ely> Conan, send me the diagrams, plzzzz!!! Email: elyar(woof-woof)ngs.ru.
Ely> Now there is no Internet to look for something, so I ask. In advance
Ely> thank you so much!
Ely> Ilya.
Ely> Bye.
Gone by email.
The only note: although on the outside the archive was called PROFI503.RAR, inside there were
schemes from v5.0. But I think this is not important for the pinout of connectors.
Hello Elya
Ely> By the way, an interesting question. What file system does the ZX have? Fat? Or
Ely> yours?
Ely> And also, when connecting a screw, who should install it? Slave, Master, Cable
Ely> select? Or does it not matter?
The questions are interesting, and perhaps advanced programmers can answer them using
They just can’t do it. To get enlightened, I recommend the latest numbers (~20-2x)
Read the paragraph. There are several controller schemes and there are several options
placing files on a screw running Spectrum:
SMUC - MOA FileSystem, CP/M (?);
Nemo - IS-DOS;
ATM - CP/M, IS-DOS (Tasis);
Profi - CP/M.
Far-abroad colleagues have their own standards.
But this is what computer manufacturers offered. Using external programs
and amateur BIOS, you can also support FAT (MS-DOS). So in particular DNA OS
works with TRD and SCL images from a FAT16 screw. FAT32 support will be coming soon.
But one thing can be said - there is no end to the work here.
As for Master/Slave, it will probably work if you install the Master screw, with
Slave may have problems, IMHO, in some programs.
Hello Conan
To Conan: Thanks for the diagram!!! I'm just accepting it.
To Spencer: Interesting... I thought the file system was PC compatible...
well, oh well. Let it be at least some.
Oh, actually another question. Is there any software for PC?
to drop files onto the screw? If not, then hemorrhoids are on the way ;-))).
Ilya.
Bye.
Hello, CHRV
with the official pipe on the pro - the current poor cp/m software (subjective IMHO), but
It seems that you can redo it painlessly in Nemoid (just plug in the decoder)
Hello Elya
Ely> To Conan: Thanks for the diagram!!! I'm just taking it.
Ely>
Ely> To Spencer: Interesting... I thought the file system was compatible
Ely> from PC... well, oh well. Let it be at least some.
Ely> Oh, actually another question. Is there any software for PC
Ely> provision for dropping files onto the screw? If not - oh and
Ely> hemorrhoids are expected ;-))).
Ely> Ilya.
Ely> Bye.
What do you need a disk drive for?
Well, CDWALK has not been canceled!
Hello jtn
jtn> with a professional pipe - current poor cp/m software (subjective
jtn> IMHO), but it seems painless you can remake it in Nemoid (decoder
jtn> just stick it in)
Or maybe you should get together once and write a screw driver for iS-DOS for
this controller? Take the source code of the firewood for a Nemov controller or ATM-2+,
Yes, remake it for the required ports?
Hello, Maksagor
> Or maybe you should get together once and write a screw driver for
> iS-DOS
IMHO, Is-DOS is purely for amateurs. Support for .trd and .scl images in the form
file commander would be the best option. In this regard, DNA OS is now
goes the most correct way :) Moreover, leaving the pussy organization
file system (FAT16) problems a la change/increase/decrease disappear
screw We just copy it in any Windows application. In addition, hardware supported
both the already standard NemoIDE and the revived SMUC.
Hello, ewgeny7
Ely> Is there any software for PC to
Ely> dump files onto the screw? If not, oh, and hemorrhoids are expected
Ely> ;-))).
ewg> In this regard, DNA OS is now following the most correct path
ewg> more, leaving the file system organization (FAT16)
ewg> problems like changing/increasing/decreasing a screw disappear. Just
ewg> copy in any Windows carrier.
That's right, CD-Walk and DNA OS are a good preventative against
this terrible disease :)
Hello, Maksagor
> Or maybe you should get together once and write a screw driver for
> iS-DOS for this controller? Take the source code of the firewood for Nemov
> controller or ATM-2+, but convert it to the required ports?
so write, they will only thank you
Hello jtn
Hello!
"YAAAAAAAAA, it's working (C) Prostokvashino ;-)))"
In general, I put everything together, connected a 2.5 gig screw, connected a disk drive, but
There are problems with the TV, in general, while through the video input, the screen is sometimes unstable,
Overall, it's a bummer. The keyboard is bad, I'm thinking about connecting HT/AT... But to the drive
refers, and to the screw. Everything seems to be OK.
That's why I have questions.
In the pro descriptions in versions 3,4 and 5, it is indicated that you can connect a keyboard from
PeeCee. Where should I connect it? The keyboard has signals CLK, Data, +5, GND (for XT -
additionally also /RESET). Well, the last two are understandable. Where are the exits from IR22
and the inputs to IR22 there are two signals that are incomprehensible to me. Maybe this is them?
Namely /CSKBD (10th connector pin) and /KBW (9th). /CSKBD - apparently a poll
keyboards (signals /OE registers). There is also an F2T signal that connects
to the C-input of the registers.
I still think /CSKBD is the XT keyboard's CLK signal, right?
Where should the data signal be sent?
And one more thing... From history. What is the difference between AT and XT keyboards?
Now one more thing. True, it may be off-topic, but forgive me, oh dear
moderator!!!
TV Panasonic TC-2170R. I took it apart, moved the board aside and started
look out for the familiar letters RGB and SYNC. Having not seen anything like this, I decided
ask YOU where they are? I searched for the TV circuit diagram on the internet, oryou need to register (and after that whether they will give it or not is unknown), or it’s broken
link. No, you don’t need to send me the TV schematic, just someone, if
you know, write - where can I poke? ;-))). Previously, about 10 years ago, I connected
to the lamps in UPIMCT ;-))), there are no problems, but here there’s simply nothing signed,
only the numbers of radio elements and the BKE islet for transistors.
PLEASE answer!!!
Ilya.
Bye.
ZYZH About RGB - PAL compressors. I’m here in Novosibirsk, not so long ago, about a couple
weeks ago, I was looking for mikruhi CXA1645, CXA1145 and KA2198BD. I went around all the shops,
I was at Dachnaya - no one had anything. Some kind of nightmare. Then there was another one
step. I went to a flea market and looked for broken Dandy cars. But, as luck would have it, “Dandies” are not the same.
That is, without these little things. Apparently, the compressor is right on the board - a cake. In general,
that's why I want to connect to RGB. Well, this is a retreat.
ZYYZH About the screws. I actually meant is there any software
software FOR PC, not on Spectrum. That is, I downloaded it from the internet and uploaded it
“Norton” and copied it. Much more convenient than a tape recorder, a disk drive - ugh
;-))).
Hello Elya
http://sblive.narod.ru/ZX-Spectrum/Profi/Profi.htm
Instead of dendey, look for sega.
Hello Elya
ZY If there is nothing like this in the computer, then it is better to assemble this device
http://zx.pk.ru/showthread.php?t=218
Hello jtn
> Message from Maxagor
> Or maybe you should get together once and write a screw driver for
> iS-DOS for this controller? Take the source code of the firewood for Nemov
> controller or ATM-2+, and remake it for the required ports?
>
>
jtn> so write, they will only thank you
jtn>
Why should I? I don’t even have a Prof! And for the ATM-turbo 2+ I have, everything
what is needed from the above has already been written, both by me and by other developers.
And saving drowning people is the work of the drowning people themselves.
Hello Elya
Ely> True, this may be off-topic, but forgive me, oh dear
Ely> moderator!!!
I won’t forgive you, you will be punished! :)
Hello fan
fan> Z.Y. If there is nothing like this in the computer, then it is better to collect
fan> this device http://zx.pk.ru/showthread.php?t=218
Since such a booze has begun :), then it would be more correct to assemble a multi-card. Together with
Mouse will also be the keyboard. With the same number of parts :)
Hello jtn
jtn> well, I don’t have it either, and the owners themselves don’t want/can’t write it.
jtn> since I called myself a milk mushroom, then that too.. get into assembler
In my opinion, it is wiser for PROfi owners to do this!
Hello, Maksagor
> Why should I? I don’t even have a Prof! And for the one I have
> ATM-turbo 2+ everything that is needed from the mentioned has already been written, both by me and
> by other developers.
>
> And saving drowning people is the work of the drowning people themselves.
Well, I don’t have it either, and the owners themselves don’t want/can’t write it.
since he called himself a milk mushroom, then this too.. get into assembler
Hello Elya
Ely> Having examined in detail the keyboard in three versions Profi 3.2, 4.01 and
Ely> 5.0 I saw a certain diagram in version 3.2, in the file comp_p7_sm.jpg.
Ely> See below, I’ll give a part. It turns out interesting, someone says
Ely> that will not work without a controller, but here the circuit is drawn in
Ely> version 3.2... Tell me, if anyone put something like this together, did it work?
It was assumed that keyboard signals connected to unused lines
#FE port can be handled by a special keyboard driver.
I have never seen such a driver, especially since for it to work you need
use a hardware interrupt, which is problematic.
As a result, this idea was apparently abandoned later.
Please note that connecting an IBM keyboard this way does not provide a replacement
Spectrum keyboard, since all software designed for matrix
connecting keys simply won’t see it.
Hello, CHRV
Hello!
Well, Japanese god!.. We started to develop the topic about HDD... I will repeat once again, I don’t
I asked about the Spectrum, I asked about the PC. Is there some kind of program, like,
"Norton", or something similar, so that, say, you can download some kind of toy from the internet and
threw it on IDE PC, on the screw. Then I connected the screw to the ZX, where you use it
files that I downloaded... Is it really not clear?.. ;-)))
Okay, about TV - offtopic, as I understand it, let's talk about soap then...
elyar(woof-woof)ngs.ru
I already have the keyboard controller assembled, that is, solder some parts and
everything, even the ROM is flashed. But I thought that the keyboard could be connected without something like that
controller. Maybe version 502 has a controllerless solution?
Having examined the keyboard in detail in three versions Profi 3.2, 4.01 and 5.0, I saw
a certain circuit in version 3.2, in the file comp_p7_sm.jpg. See part below
I bring it. It turns out interesting, someone says that it won’t work without a controller
work, but here the diagram is drawn in version 3.2... Tell me, if anyone has something similar
assembled, did it work?
Ilya.
Bye.
File: Clipboard01.jpg http://zx.pk.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=2005
File: Clipboard02.jpg http://zx.pk.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=2006
Hello, CHRV
I just wanted to flame...
Hello Elya
Ely> In the descriptions of the pros in versions 3,4 and 5, it is indicated that it is possible
Ely> connect the keyboard from PC. Where to connect it?
For the IBM keyboard to work, a controller is required, to which the CLK and
DATA from her.
The controller provides conversion of IBM keyboard scan codes into an understandable form
Spectrum - closure of one or more nodes in the 8*5 keyboard matrix.
For Pro there is a circuit diagram and firmware for a keyboard on a microcontroller from the series
MSC48.
But it seems to me more reasonable to install the controller on the AT90S2313.
Considering the circuit design of the Pro, you can get by with one microcontroller and one
element LL1 (OR).
Ely> And one more thing... From history. What is the difference between AT and XT keyboards?
1) different data reception/transmission protocol (XT-8-bit, AT-10-bit);
2) different tables of scan codes.
File: kbd_prof.zip http://zx.pk.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=2003
Hello, Maksagor
> I saw this subject. The thing is not just in development, but in DEEP
> development.
Preconceived opinion. Yes, I'm almost sure that NedoPC's developments are of high quality and
convenient, but they only target their own product. It's natural
situation - the manufacturer is trying to support its product and focuses
system primarily on him. And that's good! BUT, there are other computers,
which are still working. And their users also want to enjoy the “benefits”
life. And if possible, their needs must be met.
> And at the moment it is so unusable (and the shell is simply
> is buggy), so I don’t recommend installing it for myself yet.
There is no need to install it, it is a regular TRDOS program. Face DNAOS
requires improvement and no one denies this, but using the system is quite
really. And “the devil is not as terrible as he is painted”!
> Yes, and working with TRD/SCL images will depend not on the system, but on
> TR-DOS ROM modifications.
Pure lies! You need the regular 5.03. In this case, DNA OS acts as
copier from FAT to TRDOS floppy disk. I can’t answer about the RAM disk (not me
I am writing DNAOS).
> We will work in this direction, and not catch the crane. Let him do it himself> descends...
To each his own...But the owner of the Pro, most likely, will not see this tit, if not
replace the computer with ATM...
Hello Elya
About DNAOS
I remember back in ancient times there was such a tyrdos with a virtual support
flop guide with a brain meter. Actually, wasn’t this written for him (/for his sake)?
thing??? Otherwise, chasing real flops for the sake of such “pleasure” is already
too much...
ZY Is there any DNAOS manufacturer website where everything would be more or less
Is it written properly?
Hello spensor
Hello again!
Well, as I understand about the keyboard - Featured ;-))), I mean, it's a bummer. Same with the screw.
Connect - connected, but it still won’t work? Nightmare!!!
I didn’t want to assemble the keyboard unit, but apparently I’ll have to...
About the screw... Everyone says - Fat-fat-fat... Well, there is no Fat-a on the ZX. Anyway
case, not on Profi. I'll keep quiet about the rest for now...
And also, let's stick to the topic... The question was about Profi, not about sprinters, not
about ATM or others. Otherwise they loaded me up... Who is already starting to talk about what.
And a lot of things are becoming more unclear to me. Otherwise Fat, yes Fat... Why format
screw under Fat, if Profi doesn’t see it later?..
In general, I would like the screw to work with any file system, hell
with him. You can try to transfer files using a COM port (I hope this is
it will be possible to do...)
Okay, I understood a lot ;-))). And in general, it’s easier to work with a tape recorder ;-))). Eh,
and why this Profi then? ;-))). Leningradka - and nothing else is needed...
Write.
Ilya.
Bye.
Hello, CHRV
CHR> Well, by the way, absolutely NOTHING interferes with the owners except laziness, of course
CHR> pros adapt VTRDOS - pros have everything for this (both MBYTES of RAM and
CHR> RAM to the ROM window). YES and TAZIS can also be done like a pro - that’s it again
CHR> That's probably why Pros are ready for anything ready
CHR> (just kidding, of course). :).
Well, I don’t know about TASiS, it will still be a bit complicated. And here's the wood for the propeller
write under iS-DOS - good job!
Hello fan
>
> Message from Maxagor
> > I saw this subject. The thing is not just in development, but in DEEP
> > development.
>
>
> Preconceived opinion. Yes, I'm almost sure that NedoPC
Nothing biased. Although at one time (or rather, a couple of weeks ago) I
I was very offended by the clumsy promotion of this product by Dima Bystrov like “Hurray!
Now we have an OS with FAT, now everyone needs to quickly
throw out all sorts of CPUs and isdos and urgently support DNA OS." From this
I admit, there was slight irritation initially. But nothing more. I wouldn't like myself
I would respect it if I transferred it to a biased attitude towards the system. Therefore
I’m not criticizing the OS itself, not the idea (in fact, there is something there
criticize from a third-party adviser on the principle of “taste and color” -
based on personal preferences of one or the other. But it will be real
subjective), namely the approach to release - to produce (I repeat again and again) raw
semi-finished product, which regularly changes kernel versions for a huge event, for
A product that you need to start using immediately is a hasty step. If
who watched (even on an emulator) the recently released mon OS TASiS by our auspices, then ininformation file included with the FDI image, you may have read the following
words:
> Any, even the coolest system means nothing without it
> software harness. Therefore, much attention was paid specifically
> release of a more or less sane collection of software, for which it was
> a lot of work has been done on “localization” for specific
> features of the ATM graphics system of many dozens of utilities, and
> also an adaptation of several more that were not previously included under TASiS due to
> architectural features of the OS kernel location.
>
> Since in our group there are no supporters of producing one
> after another crude crafts like "ver.0.033beta", "ver.0.426beta" and
> confuse users in these versions, discouraging them
> use this product with uncorrected glitches for more
> stage of writing the kernel, then our system, despite the fact that the kernel
> was ready quite a long time ago, only a few were released
> months later, and only when there are a lot of utilities and drivers> has reached the minimum acceptable quantity for use and
> quality.
>
> So we can present you with a calm heart
> distribution kit ver.1.00, which is OS TASiS together with
> a set of drivers and utilities linked together through the system
> context menu, help system and set of hot keys in
> a single functional complex.
If anyone doesn’t understand, then the phrase about “ver.0.033beta”, “ver.0.426beta” is exactly
first “hello” to DNA OS and similar beta releases. I repeat here - when
the user (in this case, me) downloads a new program for the first time, and for a long time
trying to figure out what to click where so that at least one meaningful thing opens
window and at least one utility starts, but the program starts to glitch and
eventually resets the computer, that is, there is a high probability that this
the user (in this case not me) will simply delete this program and more about
won’t remember it, no matter what new versions come out, because the first
the impression is the strongest. And if we are not talking about a program, but about an entire OS, then
Constant shaking up of the kernel and the release of new versions is generally contraindicated!Stability is important to the user of such an OS! To install the OS, and
you work for years, only adding new utilities, changing the kernel only with the release
really important innovations, or a FUNDAMENTALLY new version. Beta versions
should be sent exclusively to specially selected beta testers.
By the way, I hope now everyone understands why I delayed so long with the release of xBIOS and
TASiS (and there were so many sobs - well, where to download, when will it be!). And now
Still, admit that it really turned out to be a piece of candy! What if I
intermediate versions would be thrown for another month (and sometimes weekly), with all of them
intermediate glitches? I'm willing to bet that the impression of these products would be
different, and for the worse.
Therefore, I am not biased towards DNA OS, and certainly am NOT AGAINST it.
ON THE REVERSE! I support it in every possible way, and that is why I criticize certain
sides of the subject development process! I REALLY WANT OUT OF HER
THERE WAS SOMETHING WORTHWELLING. But this is still a little far away.
> high-quality and convenient, but they are aimed only at their own
> product. This is a natural situation - the manufacturer is trying
> support your product and focuses the system primarily on
> him. And that's good! BUT, there are other computers that are still working. And> their users also want to enjoy the “benefits” of life. And if
> there is an opportunity, it is necessary to satisfy their needs.
Well, actually, as Dima Bystrov told me, support for the ATM screw is appropriate
driver is quite real. So this system is also relevant to ATM.
Accordingly, she can count on support from NedoPC, which
supports everything related to ATM, including further
support software and outdated brake CP/M, although it already exists
high-speed TASiS.
>
> Message from Maxagor
> > And at the moment it is so unusable (and the shell is simply
> > buggy), so I don’t recommend installing it for myself yet.
>
>
>
> There is no need to install it, it is a regular TRDOS program. Face
> DNAOS requires improvement and no one denies this, but use
> system is quite possible. And “the devil is not as terrible as he is painted!”
You can actually run it from a TR-DOS floppy disk. But when working with screw
Still, you need to “install” - mark and format the sections of the screw, distillsystem files there. Even if I have the wood for the ATM screw, I wouldn’t yet
I would risk doing this - what else will ruin it for me, at the next reset - the last one
I haven’t looked at the version of the system that Pasha Pavlov recently posted. But
the previous one, sent to me by Dima, was glitchy and reset with terrible force
(I watched it both on emulation and in real life). Maybe this version will be better. But
again, what is the conclusion: such intermediate versions of the system cannot be shown
to no one except beta testers. I am a simple user in relation to this system. And
install it for myself while I wait - no bias, just common sense and
sober calculation. I'll just wait for better times (as I said - let the crane
descends on his own). Maximum - I will help developers with information for the screw driver and
ATM RAM disk.
>
> Message from Maxagor
> > And working with TRD/SCL images will depend not on the system, but on
> > TR-DOS ROM modifications.
>
>
>
> Pure lies! You need the regular 5.03. In this case, DNA OS
> acts as a copier from FAT to TRDOS floppy disk. About the RAM disk
> I can’t answer (I’m not writing DNAOS).Well, why distort so much, and especially accuse him of lying - it’s still insulting! After all
we were talking about LAUNCHING images from DNA OS. And this is right here
at the beginning of discussions about DNA it was presented (if I remember - by Ewgeny7) as, along with
with support for FAT16, as a kind of progressive phenomenon compared to iS-DOS.
I agree about FAT. But the question about images raised my objections. Yes
how, with a modified TR-DOS ROM, this system could
download/run images back in the late 90s (if I'm not mistaken, this is the first time
(We don’t take SMUC, there is a special situation here) was used in KAY-1024), and without this
modification successfully performed the functions of an image copier from/to real floppy disks
since the introduction of the OS in 1992/1993.
>
> Message from Maxagor
> > We will work in this direction, and not catch the crane. Let him do it himself
> > descends...
>
>
>
> To each his own...But the owner of the Pro is most likely not interested in this tit
> apparently, if you don’t replace the computer with ATM...
And what prevents them from getting together and supporting their hardware, as we did, and
in initially worse starting conditions: unlike ATM, there was never a Proa half-forgotten clone, and its high memory standard has always been actively maintained.
They would also support the screw! In the meantime, I only heard in the fidosh echo (for about a year
ago) reproaches towards iS-DOS from active user Profik Alexey
Tarasova, like, I don’t like his style - he’s kind of slow and doesn’t work with a propeller
It works at all, but my digital digital processing unit on the screw makes SO RUNNING! Yeah - that's the principle -
“yes, the grapes are still green” - there is no screw driver for Profik, which means the system
bad and slow. And he argues by comparing the work of CP/M ON THE SCREW with the work
iS-DOS ON THE FLOP (Gee! No one tried to load MS-DOS onto the PC from a floppy disk, and then
should I work with her? I experimented like this on 286 in my old school days.
I won’t do it again for any price)!
So everything is in their (Profik users) hands.
Hello fan
fan> About DNAOS
fan>
fan> I remember back in ancient times there was such a tyrdos with a caliper
fan> virtual flop guide with a brain meter. Actually not for him(/for
fan> was this thing written??? Otherwise, chase real flops for the sake of
fan> such “pleasure” is already too much...
Well, not exactly in ancient times, but in the years 1998-99 this was written for KAY-1024
(working with v-disk only through #3D13) and has long become a standard part of it
firmware. Accordingly, it is still used today. Later it was adapted (from
adding a bunch of new bells and whistles) to Pentagon-1024 by Dima Bystrov (known
like TR-DOS v6.08) (according to rumors, and to Profik, but I have no confirmation), and
used as part of the firmware "mr. GLUK RESET SERVICE".
You can also note the version of TR-DOS for SMUC Scorpa, which also works with
TRD images through point #3D13, but not in the upper memory (which does not matter for
Skorp-256 doesn’t have enough of this), but right on the screw.
This year also saw the release of vTR-DOS v2.4 (based on TR-DOS v5.04) for ATM-turbo 2+,
working on a similar principle in a megabyte of memory, but through low-level
software emulation of VG93 commands. Accordingly, not only 100% prog works,using point #3D13, but also the vast majority (although not 100%) of progs,
using point #3D2F and some other non-standard inputs. This version
TR-DOS is used as part of a special xBIOS firmware, with a total volume of
128Kb.
> Z.Y. Is there any DNAOS manufacturer website where everything would be
> more or less normally written?
That's the point, no!
Hello icebear
ice> Doesn't Sprinter use FAT?
Wow, he uses it so well!
Not implemented because no one needs it.
If necessary, they will implement it.
Hello spensor
spe> To each his own...But the owner of the Pro is most likely not interested in this tit
spe> apparently, if you do not replace the computer with ATM...
Well, by the way, absolutely NOTHING interferes except laziness, of course, for the owners of the pros
adapt VTRDOS - the pros have everything for this (MBYTES of RAM and RAM in the window
ROM). YES and TAZIS can also be made under a pro - but again, probably a Pro
That’s why the pros are ready for anything ready-made (just kidding, of course). :).
Hello, Maksagor
> known as TR-DOS v6.08
It looks like it. Now for complete happiness there is not enough opportunity to mess with
screw with FAT16/32, or even better from CD :D
> This year also saw the release of vTR-DOS v2.4 (based on TR-DOS v5.04) under
> ATM-turbo 2+
What progress has been made in the field of adaptation to the Pentagon-1024SL (and others)?
Hello fan
fan> What progress has been made in the field of adaptation to the Pentagon-1024SL (and others)
fan> available ?
Ask Yura. He and Zhabin agreed. about adaptation. And I'm not into this
I'm participating.
Hello, Maksagor
Hello everyone!
The topic has gone far into an unknown direction.
I decided to connect the XT keyboard to the ZX. The details are all there, in general, the diagram
Also, unfortunately, it seems to me that there are a lot of errors on it. Therefore the questions.
8th pin BE35, RD signal - where? In fact, there seems to be nowhere for him, because everything
works for WR, am I right?
The 16th pin of DD3, signal 7, is called the RESC bus - where?
The 10th pin of DD3, the RES signal, is called the RES bus - connect to DD1, pin 4?
If yes, then where to /RES (inverse)?
Another interesting thing is... The WAIT signal (without inversion) comes out of the 8th pin,
TM2. And there is a signal /WAIT (inverse), connected to connector X2, pin 9. This
the same thing?
The same goes for CSK and /CSK, inverse and without inversion.
Pin 8, X2, is connected to what through a diode? To pin 17 of DD4?
Maybe I haven't noticed any other errors? Answer please...
Ilya.
Bye.
ZYZH I agree that it is possible and even better to assemble on a microcontroller, but I
I want to assemble a circuit, because I have nowhere to flash microcontrollers.
Hello Elya
Ely> I agree that it is possible and even better to assemble on a microcontroller, but I
Ely> I want to assemble this circuit, because I have nowhere to flash microcontrollers.
AT90S2313 is sewn on IBM with the simplest programmer consisting of a DB25 connector,
A 20-leg socket and several resistors connected to the LPT port.
The program is called FBPRG.
The big problem will be finding a working XT keyboard.
Hello Elya
Is there any difference in keyboards?
For avr...
Still on logic, yes...
Hello caro
They say there was a version for AT, but it was lost forever and is not really needed.
It's time to make a programmer for the spec for AVR and CrossASM (ASM is no problem at all
on macros it is done in Alasma or Tasma)
Hello jtn
Thank you for your timely response!!!
In general, I know that the 10th is GND, but I wrote in a hurry, so I looked
just to the diagram and rewrote the data. I’m working it out in PCAD, everything is clear there and
The power supply is automatically installed...
I'll be collecting it tomorrow.
Ilya.
Bye.
Hello Elya
Ely> ... questions.
Ely> 8th pin BE35, RD signal - where? In fact, it
Ely> seems to be nowhere, because everything works on WR, am I right?
It is not used in the scheme.
Ely> The 16th pin of DD3, signal 7, is called the RESC bus - where?
This is the output signal of the controller (pin 16 of register IR22-DD4) to reset Z80.
Connects via a diode to pin 8 of the Profi 5.xx keyboard connector
The active level is 0, so it should be designated /RESC.
Ely> 10th pin of DD3, RES signal, called bus
Ely> RES - connect to DD1, pin 4?
Ely> If "yes", then where /RES (inverse)?
Signal /RES from pin 19 (not from pin 10 - this is GND) of the IR22 register
through a delay circuit (RC chain) and the inverter through a diode is supplied
to reset the microcontroller (pin 4).
Ely> Another interesting thing is... WAIT signal (without inversion)
Ely> comes out of pin 8, TM2. And there is a /WAIT signal
Ely> (inverse), connects to connector X2, pin 9.
Ely> Is this the same thing?
Yes, see below.
Ely> The same thing about CSK and /CSK, inverse and without inversion.
This is the keyboard port read signal. For the controller it is inputand since its active level 0 is designated /CSK (pin 10 X2).
This signal is fed through the inverter to input 11 of the TM2 trigger,
which when set to 1 input D (pin 12 TM2) sets /WAIT
on pin 9 X2 (puts the Z80 into standby mode).
Ely> Pin 8, X2, is connected to what through a diode?
Ely> To pin 17 DD4?
see above.
Hello caro
car> The big problem will be finding a working XT keyboard.
You can find, as a rule, AT/XT switchable keyboards were made earlier. THEN
AT keyboards took a long time, but without an external switch ;). THEN let's go
keyboards with original firmware and specials. functions.
Hello, CHRV
Hello!
I have a keyboard. I bought it back in the 20th century ;-))), with an XT/AT switch.
I'm very careful. Because now they are releasing crap. And she clicks buttons
“fail”, you feel that the key is pressed... I’ve been on it for more than 10 years
I’m sitting here... I bought it first for ZX, then switched to PC.
Today I spent the whole day making a board, drilling, etching, soldering, just
finished everything. All that remains is to connect, check, configure (if
will be required).
That's how things are...
Ilya.
Bye.
Hello, CHRV
Okay, if we went to develop the topic into another topic :(, then we’ll continue. In the end
the problem is worth it.
Ely> Why format the screw for Fat if Profi won’t see it later?..
Strange question Someone asked earlier:
Ely> Oh, actually another question. Is there any software for PC
Ely> provision for dropping files onto the screw?
If software is written on the domestic Spec, it is mainly only under TR-DOS. On
Profi screw support was implemented only under CP/M. In a word, in
currently on Profi, as well as most other models (except perhaps
Scorpion+SMUC and ATM2plus+VTRDOS), there is no way to use the variety of software
written under TR-DOS from a screw. Standard for placing files on a screw as
there is no such thing, or rather there are several at once (MOA FS, IS-DOS, continuous
array). In order not to bother with writing software for PC for
Some Spectrum programmers offer dropping files onto screws
use time-tested FAT and simply store TRD images in it (SCL,
Z80, SNA). To support the system from Speck, DNAOS is written. How
option, you can localize (adapt) VTRDOS for other clones
(Scorpion, Profi, Pentagon-1024), although you will also need software for a PC. KI am equally positive about both decisions. But if Profi support (and
other clones) will be produced in DNAOS without your participation (for free), then
you will have to adapt VTRDOS on your own, especially since the website
There is no source manufacturer, but I would really like to see it.
fan> I remember back in ancient times there was such a tyrdos with a caliper
fan> virtual flop guide with a brain meter. Actually not for him(/for
fan> was this thing written??? Otherwise, chase real flops for the sake of
fan> such “pleasure” is already too much...
fan> Z.Y. Is there any DNAOS manufacturer website where everything would be
Is fan> more or less normally written?
Let's just say that the developer of DNAOS (Dima Avryata) at one time was engaged in reworking
TR-DOS 5.13f (version with support for RAM drive C: in the upper memory) under
Pentagon with 2MB of memory according to the Profi+Pentagon hybrid standard. So for sure
this guess is correct. More precisely, you need to ask the author.
The author does not have a website, nor does he have more or less free access to the INTERNET,
so if you have any questions, you need to write an E-mail to:
zet9_zx(et)mail.ru, and he will send a bunch of documentation to everyone who wants it. In general,
a fairly solid description of the system has been published and placed in the appendix toInfernoGuide7: http://trd.speccy.cz/press/inferno/INFERNO7.ZIP.
CHR> Well, by the way, absolutely NOTHING interferes with the owners except laziness, of course
CHR> pros adapt VTRDOS - pros have everything for this (both MBYTES of RAM and
CHR> RAM to the ROM window). YES and TAZIS can also be done like a pro - that’s it again
CHR> That's probably why Pros are ready for anything ready
CHR> (just kidding, of course).
Of course, it can be adapted, and I think there would be people willing, especially since we all
Here we are doing a common cause, but there are no VTRDOS source codes in the public domain:(E
Hello spensor
> But this will be really subjective), namely the approach to the release -
> issue (I repeat again and again) a raw semi-finished product that has
> kernel versions change regularly for a huge event, for a product,
> which you need to start using immediately - a reckless step.
I partially agree with this. The product is raw, that's why the version starts with
U0F. The policy of posting versions every day also irritates me. And I
I agree that the raw version is worse than none. There was a lot of talk about this
with the requirement to bring it to mind, and then show it to people. This is the solution
manufacturer. But, there are several excuses. Firstly, this phenomenon started
not on Spec, and is most likely explained by Work for the interest of F. That is, if
a person does not have any material benefit from his activity, he is trying to do this
compensate by communicating with consumers. Moreover, this phenomenon is practiced
for product testing - the more people test the product at different stages
design, the easier it is to find a mistake. Therefore, there is no need to be irritated
You can use the system as such only with v1.0. Secondly, replacement
versions began to happen for the reason that somewhere something didn’t work out for someone.
That is, the first beta testers appeared, they pointed out errors, and in order tocontinue further work needed to be provided for experiments
partially stable version. On good terms, of course, there should be a website for this
project to have, but on the one hand we are not the West, where every coffee grinder is connected to iNet
connected :), and on the other hand, maintaining the site also requires resources of time and
finance.
> Beta versions should be sent exclusively to specially selected people
> beta testers.
Can you tell me where they are? About the system, except for the developer and two relatives
No one knew anyone they knew, or even about the developer. Since actually
it was possible to find beta testers C not Letters of happiness should be sent to all spektrumists
> Any, even the coolest system means nothing without it
> software package.
I agree 100%. And this is a problem for all Axes, except IS-DOS and CP/M, written
on Speck. And this is their main problem. Almost every little bit
using Assembler (others are not applicable on Spec), trying to write his own
AXIS If we now count all OS projects, we can count them from 20 and above.
It is clear that this work is practically meaningless. On the other hand, the solution
coming first to an outside observer C to unite the efforts of all developers
into a single project is pointless. Speck very specific computer resources resources extremelynot enough, and it will not be possible to cross a bulldog with a rhinoceros here. If you remember
history with Lindows, then everything will become clear - what was separately required
enough weak machines in total required a powerful computer and at the same time did not perform
all tasks that were easily implemented on the original systems separately.
As for software, DNAOS is an add-on to TR-DOS. And therefore the software for
It contains all previous developments for TR-DOS. The only exceptions are
some system utilities and device drivers (essentially disk
copiers) and file launchers, to support emulator formats (SCL,
Z80, SNA). Some of this software is already in the system, the rest
it takes time. As for screen drivers and other serious OS loads,
then it was decided to abandon this; no one on Speck will ever use this
there won't be.
> You can actually run it from a TR-DOS floppy disk. But during work
> with the screw you still need to “install” - mark and format
> screw partitions, move system files there.
I don’t know the subtleties, unfortunately I didn’t delve into it :( But, IMHO, the system is the same
TRD-schnik, like application software, only marked in a certain way (like
renaming files in BOOT.B under TR-DOS).> And this was presented here at the very beginning of discussions about DNA (if not
> forgot - by Ewgeny7), along with support for FAT16, as something
> a progressive phenomenon compared to iS-DOS. I agree about FAT. A
> this is the question about images that caused my objections. Since if available
> modified TR-DOS ROM, this system was able to load/run
> images back in the late 90s (if I’m not mistaken, this is the first time (SMUC not
> we take it, there is a special situation) it was used in KAY-1024), and without this
> modification successfully performed the functions of an image copier from/to
> real floppy disks from the very appearance of the OS in 1992/1993.
What was before required, in order to put images onto a screw on a PC, also software
for this PC. And I must say that the software is not very simple, in addition to working with the screw on
low level, they used not ordinary TRD engines, but images in a specific
format, so simply put, you can’t do without a disk drive.
> No one has tried loading MS-DOS onto the PC from a floppy disk, and then from it
> work? I experimented like this with 286 in my old school years.
> I won’t do it again for any price)!Do you want to laugh? I still do this when I need to boot into MS-DOS. B
BIOS sets the boot devices CD, FDD, HDD. And then when
When rebooting, if I insert a floppy disk, I boot into DOS. And everything is OK! :)
> So everything is in their (Profik users) hands.
I won’t argue - if you want something, do it yourself!
I offer peace. Just please don’t remember the crane and tit any more - after all
The author is also offended when his work is not valued at all. The project is worthy of life and
attention! The author is waiting for feedback and comments!
Hello spensor
The author of VTRDOS reads the forum and you can ask him about the source code.
Hello, CHRV
CHR> The author of VTRDOS reads the forum and you can ask him about it
CHR> sources.
Exactly. He doesn’t keep them all closed, and only objects to opening them wide
access - does not want the appearance of "left" versions. And if you ask him, he will show you.
So write to Yura at ukms_z[dog]mail.ru