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elfh
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3 December 2006
Hello, TmK
I don’t presume to judge everyone, but CPU options 1 and 2 are suitable as
to potential democompo participants.
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3 December 2006
Hello elf
TmK> At the moment there is a choice: which real to use as
TmK> demo machines.
TmK> There are three options:
TmK> 1. Standard Pentagon 128K + turbo_ay_fm
TmK> 2. Pentagon1024sl + turbo_ay_fm
TmK> 3. ATM-Turbo + turbo_ay_fm
TmK> I myself am more inclined to either option 1 or 2 (namely 3 is a perversion)
2! Because I’ve already seen enough of the pictures from the crookedly assembled “1” (the brightness was
oh...yep, black, etc. stripes on the boundaries of attributes... and it’s not a fact that
this will not happen again when using "1").
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5 December 2006
Hello, TmK
TmK> Good day toall!
TmK> DiHALT:2007 will be held on June 2-3
TmK> At the moment there is a choice: which real to use as
TmK> demo machines.
TmK> There are three options:
TmK> 1. Standard Pentagon 128K + turbo_ay_fm
TmK> 2. Pentagon1024sl + turbo_ay_fm
TmK> 3. ATM-Turbo + turbo_ay_fm
TmK> I myself am more inclined to either option 1 or 2 (namely 3 is a perversion)
TmK>
TmK> I would like to know your opinion on this matter
TmK> And I would be very grateful to comrade. KingOfEvil if he
TmK> contacted me via ICQ or mail, because... there are many questions
TmK> e-mail; tmk79@mail.ru;
TmK> icq; 301-114-835;
Pentagon-1024SL can be organized on DiHALTe.
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Chunin Roman
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5 December 2006
Hello, TmK
TmK> 3. ATM-Turbo + turbo_ay_fm
TmK> I myself am more inclined to either option 1 or 2 (namely 3 is a perversion)
TmK>
The perversion has been discontinued due to popular demand...
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Zhabin Alexey
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6 December 2006
Hello, CHRV
CHR> Perversion "by popular demand" has been discontinued...
Yeah, now I'm the only producer :)
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Chunin Roman
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6 December 2006
Hello KingOfEvil
Kin> Yeah, now I'm the only producer :)
And I’m preparing a time bomb - HL8, realizing the deployment of the Pentagon
for ATM: v2_wink2:
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Dmitry Vasilievich Terentyev
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6 December 2006
Hello, CHRV
How are things going with the Pentagon1024sl v2.x boards, would you like to buy them?
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Victor Ronin
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6 December 2006
Hello, CHRV
CHR> And I'm preparing a time bomb - HL8 implementing the scan
CHR> Pentagon for ATM
with or without ATM/Pentagon toggle switch :)
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Dmitry Vasilievich Terentyev
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7 December 2006
Hello KingOfEvil
Kin> Boards are assembled at a very low speed (1.5 pieces per month), because
Kin> work and study come first for me. Therefore, it is better to take empty ones and
Kin> collect it yourself, or you will have to wait the nth amount of time
Kin> I'll collect it for now.
I'm interested in a board with soldered cords D3 and D6
and a minimum set of parts:
+crank(DA2) +connectors(XS1,XS2,XS3,X1,X2,X3,X4)
+processor
how much will it cost and where to send the money, I will send the money immediately upon receipt
answer, please email demon_zx(dog)mail.ru
Thanks in advance.
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Zhabin Alexey
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7 December 2006
Hello, CHRV
CHR> And I'm preparing a time bomb - HL8 implementing the scan
CHR> Pentagon for ATM :v2_wink2;
A; How accurately does it implement? It is very problematic to do this on ATM.
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7 December 2006
Hello demon_zx
dem> How are things going with the Pentagon1024sl v2.x boards, would you like to buy them?
Boards are assembled at a very low speed (1.5 pieces per month), because work and
Study comes first for me. Therefore, it is better to take empty ones and collect them
yourself, or you will have to wait the nth amount of time until I collect it.
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7 December 2006
Hello demon_zx
dem> I'm interested in a board with soldered pleats D3 and D6
no problem, there's space under the panels
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skyther
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7 December 2006
Hello, CHRV
2 KOE; acquired; bare board, there are a couple of questions: what current does the second one consume?
pleasing? I mean, I have stubs at 3.3, but I don’t want to mess around with transients.
And one more thing: what series of small items can I use?
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7 December 2006
Hello KingOfEvil
Kin> And how accurately does it implement it? This can be done quite easily on ATM
Kin> is problematic.
Nothing problematic, all signals HS, VS, BL are built using HL8 logic - therefore
By replacing this plate everything can be solved.
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8 December 2006
Hello KingOfEvil
Kin> Who did you buy the board from??? You are not on my lists.
everything is fine, one of the 2 boards I bought from you was just for him
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2 January 2007
Hello KingOfEvil
I purchased this device in a place with an ide controller and a keyboard controller with
mouse and Com port! Thanks to Alexey and Camille!
Here are questions for those who already use it:
when entering the basic 48 mode, make border 4 and a red stripe appears with
at the top at the end of the screen, two centimeters thick, red, make a border 5 color
it also changes to a bright shade of red, everything else is filled in correctly
the color it should be.
do not enter menu 128 like on a regular Pentagon
how to connect a tape recorder, there are a lot of cassettes and I don’t want any more pussy
use for translation.
I would like to transfer a lot of floppy disks to a hard drive (it is determined via wdc 105, but
how to copy onto a screw?)
according to the diagram about the red color, the RGB sync signal, as I understand it, comes from the alter,
maybe it's a firmware issue? An extra step is visible on the oscilloscope when switching
border colors.
and in principle I’m very pleased, if you help me figure it out I’ll be very happy.
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12 January 2007
Hello Vitron
Are you already using the Kamil multimap on the Pentagon 1024? Works fine
Otherwise I’m still at the stage of assembling a computer and I want a card like this too.
About 128 BASIC. And he's not there because... There, instead of BASIC, the commander seems to
Lesha wrote, I think, in this thread about it.
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12 January 2007
Hello Vitron
Vit> how to connect a tape recorder, there are a lot of cassettes but I don’t want to play with my pussy
Vit> use more for translation.
The multicard blocks the native keyboard port, which also includes the read bit from
tape recorder.
If you really need it, I can make this bit go through the multicard.
In hardware, you just have to connect the output of the tape comparator to one of
free Mega pins.
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12 January 2007
Hello caro
Just now it dawned on me that because of the multicard, goodbye Vicom modem ;) not really though
then he is needed, as they say ;)
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Dmitry Bystrov
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13 January 2007
Hello KingOfEvil
Gluk is not “imprisoned” anywhere. When you press U, it culturally goes to the 0th address of the 128th
ROM parts. Moreover, it should be clear to no brainer that for the performance of the 128th
BASIC 48th BASIC must be taken from a 128th computer!
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Alexey Zhabin
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13 January 2007
Hello, alone
alo> Gluk is not “sharpened” anywhere. When you press U, it culturally goes to the 0th address
alo> 128th part of the ROM. Moreover, it should be clear to a hedgehog that for
alo> performance of the 128th BASIC, the 48th BASIC must be taken from the 128th
alo> computer!
Well, apparently, I'm a complete hedgehog :v2_frown; :v2_frown:;
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Alexey Zhabin
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13 January 2007
Hello caro
car> The multicard blocks the native keyboard port, which includes the bit
car> reading from a tape recorder.
car> If you really need it, I can make this bit pass through
car> multimap.
car> You just have to turn on the output of the tape comparator in hardware
car> to one of the free Mega pins.
Everything would be fine, but this comparator is not available on 2.2 boards. Was removed for
unnecessary. I didn’t expect that anyone would want to use a tape recorder.
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13 January 2007
Hello caro
I sent money to the assembly of Pentagon-1024SL 2.2 :)
I would be very happy if by the time the board is assembled there is a glitch with BASIC-128
was already fixed.
Because here at my place of residence I have a special opportunity to change ROMs and
no other... :|
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13 January 2007
Hello KingOfEvil
Kin> Everything would be fine, but this comparator is not available on 2.2 boards.
Then we solder the comparator according to any circuit and connect it to the Multicard (output
PB2/AIN0 - X3.3).
I will provide software support.
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Alexey Zhabin
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13 January 2007
Hello, falanger
fal> I sent this money to the assembly of Pentagon-1024SL 2.2 :)
fal> I would be very happy if there was a glitch with the end of the board assembly
fal> BASIC-128 has already been fixed.
fal> Otherwise, here at my place of residence I have a special opportunity to alter
fal> No ROMs or anything... :|
Yes, there are no glitches, AlCo seems to have clarified it. Those. flash exactly into your board
basic-128, not real commander?
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14 January 2007
Hello KingOfEvil
Kin> Yes, there are no glitches, AlCo seems to have clarified it. Those. to your fee
Kin> flash basic-128, and not real commander?
What is xy - Real Commander and how does it affect compatibility with Spectrum software
targeting 128 kb or more mode?
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14 January 2007
Hello, falanger
fal> What is xy - Real Commander and how does it affect software compatibility
fal> Spectrum oriented to 128 kb or more mode?
Sorry, not Real, but Quick commander. A very advanced commander, but to great
Unfortunately, it doesn’t climb into DOS through 3d13. Accordingly, it does not work with a ram disk,
only works with real floppy disks. There is almost no compatibility with Spectrum software
affects, but there are (rarely) programs that require firmware 128 basic
(for example, the game "Operation RR").
From
Grigory Alekseevich Sinitsky
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15 January 2007
Hello KingOfEvil
Kin> Sorry, not Real, but Quick commander. A very advanced commander, but
Kin>, unfortunately, does not climb into DOS through 3d13. Accordingly, with
Kin> does not work with disk drives, it only works with real floppy disks. Ha
Kin> compatibility with Spectrum software has almost no effect, but they come across (rarely)
Kin> programs that require 128 basic firmware (for example, a game
Kin> "Operation PP").
Are there any “externally loaded” analogue commanders?
Otherwise, non-operation in a RAM disk is not bad.
Okay, sew Beisky-128.
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21 January 2007
Hello, falanger
Can I have a ROM image for the Pentagon sl1024 with Basic 128, I’ll sew it myself...
I also wanted to attach a ribbon input, a diagram and where to connect it...
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22 January 2007
Hello Vitron
Vit> Can I have a ROM image for the Pentagon sl1024 with Basic 128, I’ll sew it myself...
Vit> I also wanted to attach a tape input, a diagram and where to connect it
Vit> must...
Here is firmware 27512 with BASIC-128. You can make a connection diagram for a tape recorder
the same as in Pentagon-128 (1991) - on k561ln2 or Pentagon-128 (1993) on
k521ca3. Both diagrams are on my website.
File: ver22b.rar http://zx.pk.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=4469
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22 January 2007
Hello Vitron
Vit> Can I have a ROM image for the Pentagon sl1024 with Basic 128, I’ll sew it myself...
Vit> I also wanted to attach a tape input, a diagram and where to connect it
Vit> must...
Yes, just for fun. Why do you need a tape input, since the board
Attached was a huge archive of software, one can say with 99.9% probability that
that everything that is on your cassettes is there.
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22 January 2007
Hello KingOfEvil
A tape input is needed for compatibility; there are several cassettes with
programs that he himself wrote and a friend wrote, they competed with him back in school,
I found them, the download is cool.... plus the nostalgia is in the hardware, not in
emulator. Moreover, my son asks how to connect the tape recorder, he likes how
beeps and loads. for now I don’t want to trust him with programs on the hard drive, and
It’s still difficult for him, but the tape recorder is just right...
...if there is a new development, it should be improved without any
exceptions of unnecessary blocks.. I think so. It might come in handy!
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22 January 2007
Hello Vitron
Another question, which circuit was previously the best in terms of reading stability?
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Roman Chunin
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22 January 2007
Hello KingOfEvil
Kin> So, just for fun. Why was a tape input needed, because
Kin> the board came with a huge archive of software, it’s possible
Kin> 99.9% claim that everything that is on your cassettes is there.
Many people are porting tape versions (for example, Chronosoft and many
bourgeoisie use only new tape games).
Well, sometimes there are rare cassettes. There are games that work in multiplayer
through the tape output.
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23 January 2007
Hello Vitron
Vit> ...if there is a new development, it should be improved without any
Vit> or exclusions of unnecessary blocks... I think so. May come in handy!
I tried to make the circuit as simple as possible, which was rarely used
excluded.
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23 January 2007
Hello Vitron
Vit> Another question is which circuit was previously the best in terms of stability
Vit> reading?
I don’t know, I loaded from a tape recorder once in my life, and even then it was fine
experiment. My first spec already had a disk drive, so the tape era
I didn't find it.
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5 February 2007
Hello KingOfEvil
"Photo report" from the scene :v2_smile; :v2_smile:; , telling about
board assembly process...
Launching a freshly assembled board
Picture: http://pentagon.nedopc.com/0001s.jpg
[http://pentagon.nedopc.com/0001.jpg]
Workplace
Picture: http://pentagon.nedopc.com/0002s.jpg
[http://pentagon.nedopc.com/0002.jpg]
No comments needed
Picture: http://pentagon.nedopc.com/0003s.jpg
[http://pentagon.nedopc.com/0003.jpg]
Picture: http://pentagon.nedopc.com/0004s.jpg
[http://pentagon.nedopc.com/0004.jpg]
Picture: http://pentagon.nedopc.com/0005s.jpg
[http://pentagon.nedopc.com/0005.jpg]
New developments
Picture: http://pentagon.nedopc.com/0006s.jpg
[http://pentagon.nedopc.com/0006.jpg]
And not very new
Picture: http://pentagon.nedopc.com/0007s.jpg
[http://pentagon.nedopc.com/0007.jpg]
Picture: http://pentagon.nedopc.com/0008s.jpg
[http://pentagon.nedopc.com/0008.jpg]
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Alexey Zhabin
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5 February 2007
Hello Vitron
Vit> ... and how is Alter programming done? I would like a photo too.
Vit>
Vit> now that I’ve put everything in the case, I think you still have a scarf
Vit> order, only clean...
As soon as I program it, I'll take a photo.
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Alexey Zhabin
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5 February 2007
Hello Vitron
Vit> ....By the way, the question is, if I insert 27512 into a Pentagon 1024 sl with
Vit> firmware from Pentagon 128, will your board work or not
Vit> different code placement?
Vit>
It won't work, because... the start after reset comes from the 0th page of the ROM, which in
Pentagon-128 is not used. Now there is Gluk Reset Service.
But if you insert the ROM from P-1024sl 2.2 into the P-128, it will work.
The location of the basic/TR-DOS firmware is the same.
Vit> I have an oscilloscope S1-64, it’s heavy..
And I also have a C1-70, it weighs 25 kg and takes up half the table. I've been wanting it for a long time
give it to someone, but no one takes it. Too healthy.
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5 February 2007
Hello Vitron
Vit> ...now it’s difficult to find a normal monitor for the Spectrum, so it arose
Vit> a question about a scan converter from a speck to a VGA monitor, would be
Vit> is it really possible to do it?
Vit>
Vit> and so I took the interface switch in a computer store and
Vit> switched keyboard, mouse and monitor with one click!!! convenient!
CHRV makes a VGA converter. But he says that it’s unlikely to be at the Pentagon
work, because of the notorious 320 lines on the screen. If the question arises about
incompatibility with the VGA converter, then I will have to write firmware for the FPGA for
screen of 312 lines. But then compatibility with the Pentagon is lost, because in
interruption will no longer fit 71680 cycles, and various demos that are for this
calculated, will fail.
All sorts of cunning methods based on turning on the turbo on the last 8 lines of
my opinion is hardly acceptable, because Linearity in time is immediately lost when
execution of programs and it will be impossible to play digital music. Although now
revived the General Sound project, and the need for playback
digital music using processor means is no longer required. In general, we'll see how they go
affairs. In any case, you need to wait for the VGA converter to appear.
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Alexey Zhabin
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5 February 2007
Hello Vitron
[QUOTE=Vitron].. another question, what kind of photo is this “new development” where is the board
breadboard with slots?
QUOTE]
Controller "3in1" - PS2 mouse (no wait), PS2 keyboard (no wait), IDE according to the scheme
Nemo. A prototype is currently being assembled.
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Victor Chuprov
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5 February 2007
Hello KingOfEvil
Now that I’ve put everything in the case, I think I’ll order another scarf from you, only
clean...
From
Victor Chuprov
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5 February 2007
Hello KingOfEvil
Pentagon 128, will your board work or not or is there another placement?
code?
I have an oscilloscope S1-64, it’s heavy...
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5 February 2007
Hello KingOfEvil
a scan converter from a speck to a VGA monitor, would it be possible to do it?
and so I took an interface switch at a computer store and switched it with one
click the keyboard and mouse and monitor!!! comfortable!
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Victor Chuprov
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5 February 2007
Hello Vitron
.. another question, what kind of photo is this “new development”, where is the breadboard with slots?
I used to have the same AT system manager!! there seemed to be the same power supply
at 250 watts and 286 board!!
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5 February 2007
Hello KingOfEvil
As for the 3in1 controller, it wouldn’t be a bad idea to add watch support to it.
here (link
[http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%BD_
%28%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BF%D1%8C%D1%8E%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%29]) gotcha
description of your version of Pentagon, it talks about board v2.3. Already developing
continuation? :-)
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Alexey Zhabin
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5 February 2007
Hello jager
jag> about the 3in1 controller, it’s not bad to add support for a watch in
jag> him.
jag>
Let's see how it turns out. I won't make any promises in advance.
jag> here (link
jag> [http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0
jag> %BE%D0%BD_%28%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BF%D1%8C%D1%8E%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%2
jag> 9]) I came across a description of your version of the Pentagon, it talks about the board
jag> v2.3. Are you already developing a sequel? :-)
Not yet, but there are plans. I have no idea who wrote this, but I suspect
that Shiru.
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Alexey Zhabin
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5 February 2007
Hello new art
new> What stopped you from putting them on the board?
new>
I started developing the 2.1 board a year ago, and this controller just recently. By
time doesn't add up.
new> I believe this would not have a significant effect on the price, but on the size of the fee
new> too, because it already has a huge piece of the layout.
new> And the value of the clone as a whole would increase by an order of magnitude.
new>
Well, do everything at once and quickly and with financing from your own salary
impossible.
new> Yes, and it’s probably possible to make the turbo mode more than 7 MHz?
new> We had one craftsman in 1998 who made 14 MHz (from green scorpion),
new> I really don’t know at the cost of what perversions.
It is possible to make a turbo even 21 MHz, but at the cost of radical modifications to the board and
transition to more expensive components (primarily FPGAs).
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Vyacheslav Kalinin
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5 February 2007
Hello KingOfEvil
Kin> "3in1" controller - PS2 mouse (no wait), PS2 keyboard (no wait), IDE
Kin> according to the Nemo scheme. A prototype is currently being assembled.
What prevented you from putting them on the board?
I believe this would not have a significant effect on the price, nor on the size of the fee, because
there is already a huge piece of breadboard on it.
And the value of the clone as a whole would increase by an order of magnitude.
Yes, and it’s probably possible to make the turbo mode more than 7 MHz?
We had one craftsman in 1998 make 14 MHz (from green scorpion), but I don’t know
at the cost of any perversions.
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Victor Chuprov
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5 February 2007
Hello KingOfEvil
About the link to the description of the Pentagon 1024 sl 2.3, the three is just a typo.
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Alexander Melnikov
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5 February 2007
Hello KingOfEvil
Listen, here's what I thought about the controller. There is one more suggestion. U
I have an idea to power the Pentagon from an ATX PSU. But I would like not to toggle it
turn it on manually by sending 0 to PWR_ON, and programmatically. For this I want to collect
a circuit on a small Atmel to which the power button and LED are connected
(will indicate by blinking when the machine is turned off that it is connected to
power supply :-). I also want to add a PWR_CTRL signal to it when moving from 1 to 0
the power will turn on or off. The idea of this signal is to
go somewhere on ZX-BUS, there seem to be free contacts there and in
In addition, bring there the duty +5V from the power supply. Then it will be possible to do, for example,
turning on/off the computer using the keyboard, turning off the computer
programmatically, if you make a control port on the board. And do it on the controller itself
a couple of jumpers, one will switch the power, i.e. powered from +5V or from
duty +5V, the other will cut off the PWR_CTRL signal from the controller. Here.
But I wanted to ask about the keyboard controller, will there be a possibility
fill in the keyboard layout?
And one more thing I wanted to say, is it possible to make a controller board without
high, i.e. so that it fits into slim cases. :-)
P.S. But the watch is very necessary, otherwise you will have to pay extra money for it... :-)
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Alexey Zhabin
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5 February 2007
Hello jager
jag> But I wanted to ask about the keyboard controller, will it be there
jag> ability to fill in the keyboard layout?
jag>
I will post the source code for the MK firmware, there will be a conversion table there. Anyone can
Match the scan code with any Spectrum key.
jag> Yes, and I also wanted to say, would it be possible to make a controller board
jag> not high, i.e. so that it fits into slim cases. :-)
jag>
I haven’t even fully assembled the layout yet, I’ve never turned it on yet. It's too early about
think about it.
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5 February 2007
Hello KingOfEvil
Kin> I haven’t even fully assembled the layout yet, I’ve never turned it on. Bye
Kin> it’s too early to think about it.
Well, that’s just me, just in case, so that I don’t forget about it later. :-) What about
Do you think about the power signal? By the way, which MK?
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6 February 2007
Hello KingOfEvil
Kin> KR1878BE1. Well, I love domestic developments and that’s it.
Maybe you shouldn’t do that ;) Okay, Moscow and St. Petersburg, but where can the rest buy them?
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6 February 2007
Hello KingOfEvil
When I was in practice at Angstrem, their marriage simply went off scale, like
however, there’s a lot more to it. Yes, and the environment for this case was a bit scary... What's up?
What has changed in the last few years? =)
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Kamil Karimov
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6 February 2007
Hello KingOfEvil
Kin> KR1878BE1. Well, I love domestic developments and that’s it. And here
Kin> I don’t like atmegs and spades :v2_devil:.
You just need to take into account that the KR1878BE1 is almost a complete copy of the PIC16F84.
When they first appeared, I was also happy and tried to apply
them in your product instead of PIC16F84, but after out of 5 received
3 samples did not work immediately, I abandoned this idea.
So in the final version I think you will have to install either PIC16F627 or
PIC16F628 :)
By the way, they are also much cheaper in price.
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6 February 2007
Hello skyther
sky> Maybe you shouldn’t do that ;) Okay, Moscow and St. Petersburg, and where are the rest
sky> should I buy something?
Obviously in CFU
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Roman Chunin
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6 February 2007
Hello caro
car> When they first appeared, I was also happy and tried to use
car> them in your product instead of PIC16F84, but after out of 5 received
car>
car> 3 samples did not work immediately, I abandoned this idea.
Moreover, the Angstrom datasheet does not correspond to reality at all. I
for example, I selected the correspondence between the legs of the second port and the pins - manually :).
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Alexey Zhabin
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6 February 2007
Hello NovaStorm
Nov> When I was in practice at Angstrem, they were simply defective
Nov> went off scale, as well as a lot of other things. Yes, and the environment is suitable for this business
Nov> it was a bit scary... How has it changed over the last few years?
Nov> =)
Out of the dozen KR1878BE1 I bought, not a single copy has failed yet.
The development environment is not great, but I don't use it. I've had enough
compiler from assembler and firmware.
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6 February 2007
Hello caro
car> Just take into account that KR1878BE1 is almost a complete copy of PIC16F84.
car> When they first appeared, I was also happy and tried to use
car> them in your product instead of PIC16F84, but after out of 5 received
car>
car> 3 samples did not work immediately, I abandoned this idea.
car>
At the initial stage, when mastering the production of something new, there is always
it happens. In addition, they might not work due to the fault of those who sold them,
for example, if he damaged them with static electricity. I'm very often
salespeople in stores bring you to a pre-heart attack state by groping
finger everything, even static-sensitive CMOS microcircuits.
You make a remark to them, and they get offended, saying they are picky buyers. But
Then you'll guess whose fault it is that the microcircuit doesn't work.
I repeat once again, I have never come across faulty copies of the KR1878BE1.
car> So in the final version I think we will have to put either
car> PIC16F627 or PIC16F628 :)
car> By the way, they are also much cheaper in price.
"Only over my corpse." And the price doesn’t really bother me, because... FPGAs are much more expensive.
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6 February 2007
Hello skyther
sky> Maybe you shouldn’t do that ;) Okay, Moscow and St. Petersburg, and where are the rest
sky> should I buy something?
You order from any trading organization and there are no problems. There are many in stores
which is not there (and before there was almost nothing at all), but somehow people survive.
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7 February 2007
Hello KingOfEvil
wants to become a monopolist - otherwise they forced the Pentagon to post the firmware... =)
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7 February 2007
Hello, The Exploited
The> wants to become a monopolist - otherwise he will publish the Pentagon firmware
The> forced... =)
Nobody forced me, they asked politely. If you don’t like democracy, I’ll arrange it
communism :v2_tong2; And; hell wait for the firmware and source codes.
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12 February 2007
Hello Vitron
Vit> Are there programs for the extended graphics mode built into
Vit> Pentagon 1024 ?
Yes - BallQuest!
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13 February 2007
Hello Vitron
Vit> Are there programs for the extended graphics mode built into
Vit> Pentagon 1024 ?
Vit> can you turn it on and use it from BASIC?
In addition to Ball Quest, there are also games Pang, Time Gall (with 16 colors per point). Mode
384x304 is used in the ACEdit editor. All programs for advanced graphics
written by Dmirty Bystrov.
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13 February 2007
Hello, falanger
fal> Surprisingly, the ordered cable for the 3.5-5.25 o drive was not found
fal> which was mentioned separately in the order.
Sorry, I forgot to put it in my haste. A PC cable with twist 10 and 12 is suitable
contacts.
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13 February 2007
Hello KingOfEvil
I'm slowly collecting everything in the case. I screwed the board into the case. Purchased for IDE
"zero" 40 core loop. For the drive I found an “ancient” one with connectors like for
3.5 and for 5.25. Will it just twist wires 10-12 again? Or just what
is it completely twisted in the TRS? “straighten it out”?
Are there assembly instructions on the DVD?
Power connector - standard AT format with ground (black wires) in
middle?
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13 February 2007
Hello, falanger
fal> I'm slowly collecting everything in the case. I screwed the board into the case. For IDE
fal> a “zero” 40-core cable was purchased. I found an “ancient” s for the disk drive
fal> connectors for both 3.5 and 5.25. It will just twist the wires again
fal> 10-12? Or simply “straighten out” everything that is twisted in the TRS?
fal>
Pare out what is twisted, then twist 10 and 12.
fal> Is there assembly instructions on the DVD?
fal> Power connector - standard AT format with ground (black
fal> wires) in the middle?
Yes.
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13 February 2007
Hello KingOfEvil
Kin> Pare out what is twisted, then twist 10 and 12.
10,11 and 12.
11 is GND, should remain at 11, and 10 and 12 will switch places.
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13 February 2007
Hello caro
Those who collect their own questions about alters have a lot of questions - many of the answers are from you
you will find it here:
http://fpga-faq.narod.ru
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13 February 2007
Hello, CHRV
Is it possible to install a ProfPZU type in the Pentagon, as was the case on Scorpio with
the necessary programs?
I would also like a commander for advanced graphics for easy copying to
screw and information from it, such as Honey Commander, only control so that
it was like in standard Total Commander via F1-F12 (who has ZXMC), with
with a mouse... I’m not a programmer myself, but suddenly someone will decide to do this.
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13 February 2007
Hello Vitron
You can congratulate me on finishing the build! I also stitched the pleats.
In general, the hardware works, extended videos are sometimes turned on after powerup. But
Except for 48, the bass doesn’t plow anything, and even he does it every other time :(((
Apparently the flash is acting weird again... Well, I don’t have 27512 and I don’t have a programmer either...
By the way, what are the Magic0 and 1 signals on X3?
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13 February 2007
Hello Vitron
Vit> Is it possible to install the ProfPZU type in the Pentagon as it was on
Vit> Scorpio with the necessary programs?
Vit>
What's missing from HDD?
Vit> I would also like a commander for advanced graphics for simple
Vit> copying information to and from the screw, such as Honey
Vit> Commander, only the controls are the same as in standard Total
Vit> Commander via F1-F12 (who has ZXMC), with a mouse... I don’t myself
Vit> programmer, but suddenly someone decides to do this.
I would like it too :v2_rolley
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14 February 2007
Hello KingOfEvil
The ROM must be correct, I'm running it in the market. Yes, and the bass works (if at 0
flash the jar)
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14 February 2007
Hello skyther
sky> You can congratulate me on finishing the build! I also stitched the pleats.
sky> In general, the hardware works, extended videos sometimes turn on after
sky> powerupa. But besides 48, the bass doesn’t plow anything, and even he does it every other time :(((
sky>
How is it that nothing works? Even the start menu does not appear?
sky> Apparently the flash is acting weird again... Well, I don’t have 27512 and a programmer
sky> too...
sky>
If the flash drive is fast, then it may click on the wrong address due to
DOS signal delay (address line A15) compared to other address
signals. For UV ROM, all this is uncritical, but for flash drives it can be excluded from the circuit
C9 and C2 (I initially counted on UV ROM).
Yes, but is the ROM flashed correctly? If it’s wrong, then no more manipulations
won't help.
sky> By the way, what are the Magic0 and 1 signals on X3?
If they are closed, a non-maskable interrupt will be generated (button
'magic').
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14 February 2007
Hello skyther
sky> The ROM must be correct, I'm running it in the market. Yes, and the bass works
sky> (if you flash the jar to 0)
I meant the location of the pages in the ROM, if they are mixed up, then you will have
video effects + freezing (in the worst case). Don't forget that the start comes from 0
ROM page, if it’s empty, then nothing good will happen. Better take ready-made
firmware, it is in this thread. And here's the latest version as a bonus
FPGA firmware.
File: CPLD.rar http://zx.pk.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=4595
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14 February 2007
Hello KingOfEvil
I tried your ROM too - the same garbage...
By the way, the 1st version of the PLS firmware doesn’t even start for me.
Is there a test for ROM that can check ALL memory, tyrdos, etc.?
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14 February 2007
Hello skyther
Regarding ProfPzu, just if it is possible to install, then why not
install..
What are the differences between the firmware versions of the plis? Is it worth changing them, I would like to
detailed information.
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14 February 2007
Hello Vitron
Vit> Regarding ProfPZ, just if it is possible to install, then why
Vit> would not install..
profzu in the Pentagon does not work
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15 February 2007
Hello KingOfEvil
10MHz processor (Z84C0010PEC)
Kin> Have you tried to remove the DOS signal delay
can you fix the firmware? it won’t work, the 1st version doesn’t run for me, but the 2nd
no source...
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15 February 2007
Hello, The Exploited
The> And here's the latest version of FPGA firmware as a bonus.
something won’t start - horizontal stripes on the screen and that’s it :(
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15 February 2007
Hello Vitron
Vit> What are the differences between the Plis firmware versions? Is it worth changing them? I wanted to
Vit> would like detailed information.
You have the latest version installed. There are no fundamental differences, purely
cosmetic. A delay in turning on the turbo mode has been introduced for several cycles when
turning on the power.
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15 February 2007
Hello skyther
sky> I tried your ROM too - the same garbage...
sky> by the way, the 1st version of the Plis firmware doesn’t even start for me.
sky> is there a test for ROM that can check ALL memory, tyrdos and
sky> tp?
Maybe there is, I don’t know. For the test I use 27128 with basic-48 stitched there
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15 February 2007
Hello skyther
sky> 10 MHz processor (Z84C0010PEC)
sky>
sky> Should I fix the firmware? it won’t work, version 1 doesn’t work for me, but
sky> there is no source for the 2nd...
There is no need to edit the firmware, you just need to remove C2 and C9 from the board.
I will post the new source on the site as soon as I comment on it.
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15 February 2007
Hello skyther
sky> something won’t start - horizontal stripes on the screen and that’s it :(
What processor is used? By default, turbo mode is enabled, so you need
processor with a speed of at least 7 MHz (Z0840008PSC).
Have you tried to remove the DOS signal delay (if you are using a flash drive)? Isn't it
installation errors?
If the 48k mode works, then you need to look for glitches in the ROM page switcher.
To make the launch easier, I can post the FPGA firmware with the turbo disabled.
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15 February 2007
Hello KingOfEvil
Kin> What processor is used? By default, turbo mode is enabled
Kin> therefore you need a processor with a speed of at least 7 MHz (Z0840008PSC).
By “won’t start” I mean it’s not the processor that doesn’t start, but the pls that doesn’t generate
video signal...
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15 February 2007
Hello skyther
Gluk has an option to boot from HDD, which is necessary in order to be able to
load, otherwise I tried but it doesn’t work.
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15 February 2007
Hello Vitron
Vit> In Gluk there is an item to boot from HDD, what you need to do from it
Vit> could be loaded, otherwise I tried but it doesn’t work.
INSTALL AXLE from Dmitry Avryata.
Regarding iSDOS, I can’t say whether the glitch is supported or not.
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15 February 2007
Hello, falanger
All signals on the connector for cable, RGB, Sync, component...
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Grigory Alekseevich Sinitsky
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15 February 2007
Hello, CHRV
Does Pentagon-1024 2.2 have RGB output or only NTSC? Because I have an old one
Soviet monitor Electronics MS 6106-02 And it has an RGB input. At least he
So he was connected to the half-dead old Scorpio.
And there is no file where it is written out what to connect to what contact? And then the monitor
I have a small one, I don’t have a printer, and I have to scroll through the Pentagon diagram back and forth
uncomfortable.
And is it possible to connect a standard AT power supply to the Pentagon? "Pinout"
matches? Otherwise, the power connector is similar to the AT connector of the RSshka board.
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15 February 2007
Hello Vitron
Vit> I have a question, will the hard drive controller work if I
Vit> can I insert another controller?
Vit>
Only one will work (which will be the first to grab IORQCE).
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15 February 2007
Hello, falanger
fal> Does the Pentagon-1024 2.2 have an RGB output or only NTSC? Otherwise I have
fal> old Soviet monitor Electronics MS 6106-02 And it has an RGB input. By
fal> at least that’s how he was connected to the half-dead old Scorpio.
fal> And there is no file where it is written out what to connect to what contact? A
fal> then I have a small monitor, no printer and a diagram of the Pentagon back and forth
fal> is inconvenient to scroll.
fal>
Connector X4. 14 - R, 15 - G, 16 - B, 11 - SYNC, 9 - GND.
fal> And is it possible to connect a standard AT power supply to the Pentagon?
fal> Does the “pinout” match? Otherwise, the power connector is similar to the AT board connector
fal> RSshki.
The power connector is on the board (X5). The pin assignment corresponds
AT power supplies.
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15 February 2007
Hello KingOfEvil
Sorry..... :(
I want to see photos of assembled Pentagon 1024sl, first of all I’m interested in
placement and type of case, plus the type of monitor for everyone who collected them and
installed.
One more question for everyone.
Who else in V.Novgorod has a Pentagon 1024sl?
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15 February 2007
Hello KingOfEvil
I have a question, will the hard drive controller work if I have one more
Will I insert the controller?
There is an idea to use a hard drive, cd rom, adapter CF ide, SD ide... instead
those devices that are still being assembled or debugged..
that is, there will be three devices, therefore two controllers.
I don’t want to give up the screw and I don’t want to stick a cable into the adapter either.
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16 February 2007
Hello Vitron
The glitch does not support loading is-dos from a screw, but in principle it can be registered
your own bootloader, which must be compiled to address #6000 and written to
screw from sector 3 (numbering from 1), but in this bootloader you can do whatever you want
whatever, load is-dos or something else. By the way, I wrote such a loader, but not
finished yet, not enough time...
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16 February 2007
Hello demon_zx
If I take two 27512 ROMs and connect them in parallel and through the button I will
switch the power to one or the other to use different firmware,
Will there be any glitches due to increased load on the tire?
Or is something else needed to resolve it?
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16 February 2007
Hello Vitron
Vit> If I take two 27512 ROMs and connect them in parallel and through the button I will be
Vit> switch power to one or the other to use different ones
Vit> there will be no firmware or glitches due to increased load on the bus?
Vit> Or do you need something else for decoupling?
You don't need to switch the power supply, but OE (or CE). Moreover, when the RAM is turned off, OE (or
CE) must be pulled up to +5V through a resistor (well, for example 10k).
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16 February 2007
Hello Vitron
Vit> Sorry..... :(
Well, if you correct the decoding of the second controller (you will attach it to other
unoccupied addresses) it will work. This can be done by cutting and
gluing together the corresponding tracks.
I almost forgot - the driver will need to be corrected, in the case of iSDOS (correct the number
port).
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16 February 2007
Hello Vitron
Vit> If I take two 27512 ROMs and connect them in parallel and through the button I will be
Vit> switch power to one or the other to use different ones
Vit> firmware
Better install a flash drive. :)
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17 February 2007
Hello Sonic
Son> Better install a flash drive. :)
Well, yes, the thread is type 29010, and the high address on the toggle switch is +5V/GND.
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18 February 2007
Hello, TmK
TmK> But it’s really possible to attach a microcircuit, which is used as a BIOS in PC boards
Is TmK> used? There are a lot of different ones lying around :-)
It’s really real, but you’ll just have to cut it and MGTFit, and remove one slot, but
it won't fit.
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18 February 2007
Hello, The Exploited
I did it simpler - I took a microscope in a dip (an ancient stamped bios) and drilled it
hole so that nothing shorts out (in short, I drilled out the crystal) and soldered PLCC32 on top
:D http://sblive.narod.ru/GameBoy/PLCC2DIP.jpg
I also used damaged UV erasable ROMs, knocked out a window, and repelled
contacts connecting the crystal and legs, and also soldered PLCC32.
:v2_devil; :v2_devil:; :v2_devil:
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18 February 2007
Hello KingOfEvil
Is it really possible to attach a microcircuit that is used as a BIOS in PC boards?
used? There are a lot of different ones lying around :-)
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18 February 2007
Hello fan
fan> I did it simpler - I took mikra in deep (ancient stamped bios)
fan> drilled a hole in it so that nothing short-circuited (in short, drilled
fan> crystal) and soldered PLCC32 on top: D
fan> http://sblive.narod.ru/GameBoy/PLCC2DIP.jpg
fan> I also used damaged UV erasable ROMs, knocked out a window,
fan> cut off the contacts connecting the crystal and the legs, and also soldered
fan> PLCC32 .
fan> :v2_devil; :v2_devil:; :v2_devil;
Well; you have to be such a maniac. After all, they sell transitional ones in stores
pads.
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18 February 2007
Hello, TmK
Depending on which board, there are from 27064 to 27512, it happens with or without a window, this is
old boards up to Pentium, the above is already used in other cases.
Basically the majority are 27C256.
So if you have 27512 or 27С512, then this is what you need.
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18 February 2007
Hello skyther
sky> Really, really, but you have to cut and MGTFit, and one slot
sky> remove it, otherwise it won’t fit.
if you look for old motherboards - like for socket 370, then there was wiring for
BIOS for both plsts32 and deep32 - such a design is cut out. into the holes
The pins are soldered in from the dip, the socket remains from the plz. it turns out good
adapter only 32 legs...
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19 February 2007
Hello KingOfEvil
Kin> Well, you have to be such a maniac. After all, they sell it in stores
Kin> adapter blocks.
Yes, well, which ones? :D
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19 February 2007
Hello, CHRV
CHR> Well, if you correct the decryption of the second controller (hang it on
CHR> other unoccupied addresses) this will work. It is possible to do this today
CHR> by cutting and gluing the corresponding tracks.
CHR> I almost forgot - the driver will need to be corrected, in the case of iSDOS
CHR> (correct port number).
And in the case of non-iS-DOS (which is much more common in practice) - a bummer. Well, only if
come up with and legitimize a new standard for the IDE extension and force all coders
maintaining it, which is very difficult and almost impossible.
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19 February 2007
Hello KingOfEvil
Kin> And in the case of non-iS-DOS (which is much more common in practice) - a bummer. Well
Kin> only if you come up with and legitimize a new standard for the IDE extension and
Kin> to force all coders to support it, which is very difficult and almost
Kin> is impossible.
You can do it like on the Amiga. use cs3fx like cs1fx only for other ideas
device
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19 February 2007
Hello fan
fan> Yes, well, which ones? :D
Chip and deep, Quartz, Mitino. True, they are more expensive than unnecessary m/sx in a suitable
body.
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19 February 2007
Hello KingOfEvil
Kin> Chip and deep, Quartz, Mitino. True, they are more expensive than unnecessary agricultural machinery
Kin> suitable housing.
That's the whole point of the joke ;) These adapters are declared as adapters for
programmers and using them for the price of half the spec is simply blasphemous :D
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20 February 2007
Hello fan
fan> That's the whole point of the joke ;) These adapters are declared as adapters
fan> for programmers and using them for the price of half the spec is simply blasphemous
fan> :D
Is it difficult to simply buy a DIP socket and a PLCC socket and solder them together with wiring? U
For example, all “adapters” for the programmer are made this way.
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20 February 2007
Hello, CHRV
CHR> Or just buy a DIP socket and a PLCC socket and solder them with wires -
CHR> difficult? For example, I have all the “adapters” for the programmer like this
CHR> are done.
Gee, this option is just for programmers ;) Nothing really
except for the crib DIP is not necessary :D I only had one option that was done this way, in
as wires, wire in varnish insulation. But the option with mikrukhs is for me
I liked it much more, because... the design is more earthquake-resistant and the legs
more reliable ;)
Mikruhi rule :D
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21 February 2007
Hello fan
2KOE: as you advised, I unhooked the condensers - it didn’t help :(
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21 February 2007
Hello skyther
sky> 2KOE; How; you advised, unhooked the condensers - it didn’t help :(
This means you need to look for errors in installation or faulty elements. If basic48
starts, then you need to look for glitches in switching ROM pages. Look
with an oscilloscope the higher addresses (A14, A15) on 27512, and you also need to trace
passage of all signals through DD8, DD10, DD11, DD12. Just in case
try flashing UV ROM.
What also confuses me is that the first version of the firmware does not work. It's different from
the latter only in that the computer, after turning on the power, starts immediately in
turbo mode, and in the latest version the turbo turns on with a delay of several
beats The first version simply cannot work.
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21 February 2007
Hello KingOfEvil
Kin> The first version simply cannot work.
So I have a buggy BB or FPGA :(
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21 February 2007
Hello fan
fan> I did it simpler - I took mikra in deep (ancient stamped bios)
fan> drilled a hole in it so that nothing short-circuited (in short, drilled
fan> crystal) and soldered PLCC32 on top
fan> http://sblive.narod.ru/GameBoy/PLCC2DIP.jpg
But this looks somehow nicer and more reliable:
http://www.berelcom.ru/products/adapters/dip32_plcc32/index.htm
Although no one is stopping you from making a more compact thing, so that the size is the same
it was an ordinary ROM :-)
I was luckier, I found a 256K in a dip package
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21 February 2007
Hello, CHRV
You're probably right about the hands, I have the same glitch in Leningrad ;)
Question: how many and what kind of microchips should there be on SIM cards? I understand the options
a lot, but at least bring a couple, please.
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21 February 2007
Hello, TmK
TmK> But this somehow looks nicer and more reliable:
TmK> http://www.berelcom.ru/products/ada...lcc32/index.htm
It's a terrible example of design, I'm not even talking about the price. There was chip and dip
the size of a DIP. In short, there is no point in purchasing adapters (with their
prices), they are clearly for other purposes. It’s definitely better to immediately take a small circuit diagram to
DIP package, or solder PLCC directly to the socket.
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21 February 2007
Hello skyther
sky> So I have a buggy BB or FPGA :(
First of all, you need to look at your hands :v2_wink2; .;
Most likely the problem is in KP12, check the signals are reaching them. Try to change
memory module (not all modules are equally useful :) ).
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21 February 2007
Hello skyther
sky> You're probably right about the hands, I have the same glitch in Leningrad ;)
sky> Question: how many and what kind of devices should there be on SIM cards? I understand
sky> there are many options, but please give me a couple, please.
If you install serviceable m/skh series kr1533, then everything works at once without any
any settings.
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22 February 2007
Hello, DDp
DDp> +1 (plus another Pentagon)
DDp> I finished assembling the board just yesterday.
DDp> Video slideshow "How the Pentagon-1024SL v2.2 board was assembled"
DDp> [http://ifolder.ru/1181107] ~1.2Mb
Congratulations :v2_clapp; :v2_clapp:; :v2_clapp;
First; the person after me who independently assembled and launched P-1024sl 2.2
:v2_yahoo; :v2_yahoo:; :v2_yahoo:
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22 February 2007
Hello KingOfEvil
Kin> :v2_clapp; :v2_cheer:; :v2_cheer; :v2_clapp:; :v2_thumb;
Kin>; :v2_biggr; :v2_thumb:; :v2_biggr; :v2_clapp:; :v2_cheer; :v2_clapp:;
Kin>
Kin>
Kin> Today there are two more Pentagons in the world!!!
Kin>
Kin>
Kin> :v2_clapp; :v2_cheer:; :v2_cheer; :v2_clapp:; :v2_thumb;
Kin>; :v2_biggr; :v2_thumb:; :v2_biggr; :v2_clapp:; :v2_cheer; :v2_clapp:;
+1 (plus one more Pentagon)
I finished assembling the board just yesterday.
Video slideshow "How the Pentagon-1024SL v2.2 board was assembled"
[http://ifolder.ru/1181107] ~1.2Mb
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23 February 2007
Hello KingOfEvil
Well, my Pent has earned! The problem was with the Z80.
2KOE; more; Question: what condition will the turbo be in after the reset? those if /reset
poke into the ground.
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24 February 2007
Hello skyther
sky> The problem was in the Z80.
???
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Grigory Alekseevich Sinitsky
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24 February 2007
Hello, The Exploited
So, I found the time and started connecting my Pentagon-1024SL v2.2 board.
Thanks to the author of the development, of course, but is it possible to see the “layout” from him?
connections" and
not only the banal RGB synchro, but also which connector pins correspond to which LPT pins
correspond to how RESET is connected, how Magik is connected, AUDIO and
etc?
Otherwise, of course, using the tension of the cerebral cortex and the “scientific poking method” you can
I’ll connect everything in the end, but to be honest, I’m “wrinkling my brain” at work
it has to be quite intense.
So it’s the author of Pentagon-1024, personally, I wouldn’t mind seeing the “datasheet” on
board connection. ;)
In the meantime, tomorrow I’ll connect the monitor and see what it shows. :)
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25 February 2007
Hello KingOfEvil
Kin> I'm waiting for CHRV to make a VGA converter. Only he threatens not to
Kin> support 320 lines. If this happens, then for development
Kin> I will have to take the device
Well, well... that's right... get going!!! :)
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25 February 2007
Hello, falanger
fal> Now, I found the time and started connecting my board
fal> Pentagon-1024SL v2.2.
fal>
fal> Thanks to the author of the development, of course, but is it possible to see from him
fal> "connection layout" and
fal> not only banal RGB synchro but also which connector pins go to which pins
fal> LPT corresponds to how RESET is connected, how Magik is connected,
fal> AUDIO outputs, etc?
fal>
The documentation set includes an "electrical circuit diagram". We take and
look: for LPT; PRN0...PRN7; - data bus, STROBE, BUSY - connected to
the corresponding pins CENTRONICS-a, QUSY - may not be used. Let's go
further: reset - switch on the button to close one end to reset, press
to GND, magic - the same button is connected to magic0 and magic1 (for the last
I haven’t used this button once for a year). Audio outputs - linear output (on
amplifier) - left, right. If you do not plan to use the amplifier, then
speakers with a resistance of 8 ohms are hung on Left, Right (just in case, I’ll clarify
- the speaker is hung with one end on left/right, the other on GND).
fal> And then, of course, by tension in the cerebral cortex and the “scientific methodfal> at random" you can eventually connect everything, but to be honest "wrinkle
fal> brain" I have to work quite intensely.
fal> So this is the author of Pentagon-1024, personally I wouldn’t mind seeing
fal> "datasheet" for connecting the board. ;)
fal>
Such a datasheet is an “electrical circuit diagram”.
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25 February 2007
Hello, falanger
fal> The picture is 90 percent identical to the one you gave but the image
fal> is more “blurry” and there are problems with color rendering, we attribute this to
fal> monitor. Or the fact that he needed to drive VIDEO instead of SYNC...
fal> But there is something else... There is a second one to the right above the bottom blue column
fal> green is smaller, to me it looks somehow “gnawed”... Glitch
fal> monitor or did something burn on the board?
fal>
Gluk reset service shows the contents of the main and shadow screens before the reset.
When you turn on the power, it can show anything there (depending on the module
memory)
fal> But my monitor is “not a fountain”, so I solder the Skartovsky cable for
fal> TV and look from it.
fal>
I still have a regular TV. I'm waiting for CHRV to make a VGA converter. Only him
threatens to not support 320 lines. If this happens, then for the development
I'll have to get the device :v2_devil:
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25 February 2007
Hello, falanger
fal> I will continue the report on the Pentagon-1024SL v2.2 connection.
fal> Today I unsoldered the monitor using the scientific poking method.
fal>
If you connect at random, the probability of burning the board is 94% for experienced
users, 99% for everyone else.
fal> I admired the stable picture with several unnatural ones
fal> with flowers (this is a troublesome monitor, I will tighten up the video amplifiers myself) and scratching
fal> here is your head above the picture you saw.
fal> Comrade Author of the Pentagon, now they could post a “skrishno” starter
fal> of the screen of your creation? Otherwise, some doubts gnaw at me....
fal>
Picture attached.
fal> And also, the Reset signal wire, pin 27 of connector X3 is necessary for resetting
fal> short to log 0 (case) or log 1 (+5V through 300 Ohm)?
To GND without resistors.
File: p1024.jpg http://zx.pk.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=4682
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25 February 2007
Hello skyther
sky> Well, my Pent is working! The problem was in the Z80.
sky>
Congratulations! :v2_cheer;
sky>; 2KOE; more; Question: what condition will the turbo be in after the reset? those if
sky> /reset poke into the ground.
If you poke reset into the ground, it's turned off. Then it will turn on at startup, but when
When entering either TR-DOS or the 0th page of the ROM, the turbo is automatically turned off.
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25 February 2007
Hello KingOfEvil
Kin> If you connect at random, the probability of burning the board is 94% for
Kin> experienced users, 99% for everyone else.
Kin>
Kin> Picture in the attachment.
Kin>
Kin> To GND without resistors.
I used the scientific method to figure out the monitor inputs. So if and
burned something non-fatally.
The picture is 90 percent the same as the one you gave, but the image is more
“blurred” and there are problems with color reproduction, we attribute this to the monitor. Or what
he needs to use VIDEO instead of SYNC...
But there is something else... To the right above the bottom blue column there is a second green one
smaller, to me it looks somehow “gnawed”... Monitor glitch or
Did you burn something on the board?
But my monitor is “not a fountain”, so I solder the Skartovsky cable for the TV and
I'll take a look at it.
In the meantime, I saw the minion, I’ll wait for the keyboard controller card and other things
so that you can go beyond the start menu. Unsolder the "native" keyboard
I don't have the slightest desire....
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26 February 2007
Hello, Evgeny Muchkin
Evg> Well, well... everything is right... get on it!!! :)
Only if the CHRV converter does not work with the Pentagon, because... once again
There is no point in reinventing the wheel. Or you can pervert it so that in the Pentagon
now there are 312 lines, but this will no longer be the Pentagon: v2_conf3; .;
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26 February 2007
Hello, falanger
the speed of the speck is not reflected, only on the intermediate debris at the moment
switching on, and there is more debris on the die without blocking conduits (not
soldered by the manufacturer), I left the one that produces the least amount of debris.
> Message from KingOfEvil
> I'm waiting for CHRV to make a VGA converter. Only he threatens not to
> support 320 lines. If this happens, then for development
> I will have to take the device
I'm for it!!
Posted by falanger
> The picture is 90 percent the same as the one you gave but the image
> is more “blurry” and there are problems with color rendering, we attribute this to
> monitor. Or the fact that he needed to drive VIDEO instead of SYNC...
I was connected to a Panasonic TV via a composite output, when desoldering
quartz, so that color does not work, shows black and white perfectly clearly, with
sealing and setting, there is a blur precisely in color (like everyone else, a comb).
I connected via S-Video, removing the condenser from the output to the mixing input of the microcircuit and
Having connected "Chroma" S-Video from this output, the color became good, but there is interference
in the form of colored noise, small. For now I decided to install another Pal encoder, from
NedoPC... judging by the pictures the image is even better quality on S-Video than
I got it.
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26 February 2007
Hello KingOfEvil
Kin> Gluk reset service shows the contents of the main and shadow screen
Kin> before reset. When you turn on the power, it can show anything there
Kin> (depends on the memory module)
That is, perhaps it’s just “pre-reset” garbage in the RAM and everything works?
It’s just that I have as many as 30 pieces of 30 pin strips of 1 MB each.
How can you choose the optimal one and based on what parameters? And this without
connected keyboard... but only with a monitor and a Reset button. ;)
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26 February 2007
Hello, falanger
fal> That is, perhaps it’s just “pre-reset” garbage in the RAM and everything works?
fal>
fal>
fal> I just have about 30 pieces of 30 pin strips of 1 MB each.
fal> How can you choose the optimal one and according to what parameters? And this
fal> without a connected keyboard... but only with a monitor and a Reset button.
fal> ;)
You can put any one, because pre-disposal garbage means absolutely nothing.
You can also get creative and choose a simulation in which waste waste will be
most pleasant in appearance :v2_laugh; :v2_wacko:; :v2_scare:
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26 February 2007
Hello KingOfEvil
Kin> Only if the CHRV converter will not work with the Pentagon, because
Kin> there is no point in reinventing the wheel again.
Or maybe ask CHRV when he plans to start working on the subject? There are suspicions
that this will happen very, very slowly :( Can you help him?
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26 February 2007
Hello, Evgeny Muchkin
Evg> Or maybe I should ask CHRV when he plans to start working on the subject? Yes
Evg> suspicions that this will happen very, very slowly :( It might help
Evg> him?
So I work even slower.
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Evgeny Muchkin
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26 February 2007
Hello KingOfEvil
Kin> So I work even slower.
:D pipe thing...
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Alexey Zhabin
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27 February 2007
Hello, Evgeny Muchkin
Evg> :D pipe case...
Uh-huh. In principle, I do most of the work when developing something quickly,
in a few days, I just need to wait half a year until I have
a few days of free time. And now all the time is spent on work, study and
assembly of P-1024sl boards. I have now temporarily suspended accepting new orders.
I am collecting those already accepted.
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27 February 2007
Hello, WingLion
Win> Why not start 'improving' the one in Peters
Win> did you?
Win> I have all the information on it, and it is exactly the same as the Sprinter, when opened
Win> view.
Where can I get this information?
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27 February 2007
Hello, Evgeny Muchkin
Evg> Message from KingOfEvil
Evg> I'm waiting for CHRV to make a VGA converter. Only he threatens not to
Evg> support 320 lines. If this happens, then for development
Evg> I will have to take the device
Evg>
Evg> Well, well... everything is right... get on it!!!
Why not take up the task of “improving” what they did in Peters?
I have all the information on it, and it is exactly the same as the Sprinter, when opened.
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27 February 2007
Hello, WingLion
/// about the TV brand, we meant its full nomenclature number (written
on the back of the lid) I’ll look at the diagram to see if anything is missing or spoiled.
You can also check by connecting some signal to the sync
VCR...
It seems to me that five volts is not enough to switch the lock or the wrong one
the contact is connected to this voltage.
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27 February 2007
Hello, falanger
If the image appears normal when you switch channels, then the problem is
in blocking video on the TV itself.
Please, the brand of the TV, then it will be clearer what and how..
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27 February 2007
Hello Vitron
Vit> If you see an image when switching channels
Vit> is normal, then the problem is the video is blocked on the TV itself.
Vit> Please, the brand of the TV, then it will be clearer what and how ..
TV "Vityaz" with IR remote control. The remote control I use is RCM type from imported
telly.
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Evgeny Muchkin
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27 February 2007
Hello icebear
ice> Why not start 'improving' the one in Peters
ice> did you?
By the way, yes! Great idea!
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27 February 2007
Hello KingOfEvil
Kin> Where can I find information on it? On http://winglion.ru/sprinter/ not
Kin> found.
So far it's only on my hard drive (and on DVD).
I will post it, but not all at once, now I’m posting about the Sprinter little by little
info.
I'll have to figure out the CAA converter myself in the near future, because
the TV at home does not work, and only on it can you check the Sprinter boards,
those that are assembled, but not configured.
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27 February 2007
Hello, WingLion
Win> Why not start 'improving' the one in Peters
Win> did you?
Win> I have all the information on it, and it is exactly the same as the Sprinter, when opened
Win> view.
Where can I find information on it? I couldn’t find it on http://winglion.ru/sprinter/.
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27 February 2007
Hello, WingLion
Win> Why not start 'improving' the one in Peters
Win> did you?
Win> I have all the information on it, and it is exactly the same as the Sprinter, when opened
Win> view.
Did you finish it?
I remember Vasya Ivanov paid the Peters ($75), but never received anything.
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28 February 2007
Hello, CHRV
CHR> Did you finish it?
CHR> I remember Vasya Ivanov paid the Peters ($75), but nothing was done
CHR> received.
The board I made is on the table.
Now I don’t remember exactly where I stopped.
There were some problems, but it showed.
On cathode ray monitors.
Ah... I remembered. It didn’t want to be shown on the LCD at all.
But now I know why. We have to take it on and finish it off.
All you need is time, but you also need time to work...
Regarding the money in Peters, I’ll ask what’s going on...
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28 February 2007
Hello, falanger
fal> a) What type of speaker is “Speaker” and its second pin is soldered to GND or
fal> where?
fal>
Not a speaker, but a linear audio input of a TV/monitor. Yes, and then only if
not used by YM. In general, the speaker is mixed into the YM outputs.
fal> b) next to the wires "R-G-B", "SYNC", "VIDEO" there are two wires "LEFT"
fal> and "RIGHT". What is inferred from them?
fal> And what is output from "S_LEFT" and "S_RIGHT"?
fal>
I already wrote about this, see above.
fal> a) where and how are “Magic0” and “Magic1” soldered?
fal>
Likewise.
fal> Besides “Magic” and “Reset”, are there only keyboard-joystick(s)?
Yes.
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28 February 2007
Hello KingOfEvil
2KOE: Alexey, can you make a button for the turbo? or at least an indication...
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1 March 2007
Hello jager
jag> so my Pentagon started up, yesterday I unsoldered the sim and started to launch.
jag> started right away, however, Lyosha, like on Monday you have a scarf
jag> tested with a flash drive, did not want to start without a finger. deleted
jag> Conders C2 and C9 still don’t want to start.
Try to return C2 and C9 back and put a capacitance of ~50..100 pF between leg 22
DD5 and ground. Then the ROM address will be captured clearly.
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1 March 2007
Hello skyther
sky> 2KOE; Alexey; can you make a button for turbo? or at least
sky> indication... Or, at worst, firmware without a turbo at all...
It is impossible to make a button for the turbo, because... mode control signals
turbo/non-turbo sit inside the FPGA and cannot be pulled out. Can be done
indication on bit 4 eff7. Firmware with disabled turbo in the application (just
recompiled the existing source, setting bit 4 eff7=1).
File: turbo_off.rar http://zx.pk.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=4727
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2 March 2007
Hello KingOfEvil
Kin> It is impossible to make a button for the turbo, because signals that control the mode
Kin> turbo/non-turbo sit inside the FPGA and cannot be pulled out.
A very serious omission :(
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Evgeny Muchkin
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2 March 2007
Hello, The Exploited
KingOfEvil, what if you need to switch the turbo while working? A button is needed
intended! :)
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2 March 2007
Hello, The Exploited
Kin> by hard setting bit 4 eff7=1
Maybe it’s better to do the opposite: so that the turbo turns OFF when the bit is reset? And in
enable the menu if necessary.
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2 March 2007
Hello, Evgeny Muchkin
Evg> A very serious omission :(
Why do you need a button? You can turn off the turbo from the start menu with one click
"W" (no worse than the "turbo on/off" button). Turbo disabled mode is needed
only for compatibility with old software, as well as with multicolor effects.
In all other cases, the faster the better.
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2 March 2007
Hello KingOfEvil
a button is needed. I even have two of them on my profile (they work differently) + software
switching like in a scorpion