Pentagon-1024 SL ver 2.0: To be or not to be?
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Hello KingOfEvil
Kin> Unless I scratch it out of a blank
Not all blanks are equally reliable!!
Hello KingOfEvil
Kin> Maybe we should stop here?
just don't erase the files
Hello, The Exploited
Lesha, send me the files if I can post them on my website (otherwise narod.ru
unpredictable and slow). And my site is more popular.
Take a photo then if it's easy.
The> 1. take a survey - right here
The> 2. work on prepayment
PO 1 - the survey is a bogus and shows nothing! I remember we did a survey, so
Of the 20 surveyed, only three actually ordered.
Software 2 - and there is no other way to work. The question is what to order
boards and buying parts are quite expensive operations, and with a quantity of 5
pieces - this is unprofitable for the manufacturer (i.e., he essentially gives you in addition
something).
For example, I have a batch of boards of at least twenty pieces, with a smaller quantity
work at a loss at my prices.
Hello KingOfEvil
1. take a survey - right here
2. work on prepayment
where can I look at the specification of the subject?
Hello, The Exploited
The> 1. take a survey - right here
The> 2. work on prepayment
The> where can I look at the specification of the subject?
The specification is right on this forum. In the Pentagon-1024SL and ANT-1024HD themes.
Hello, CHRV
CHR> Lesha, send me the files if I can post them on my website (otherwise
CHR> narod.ru unpredictable and slow). Yes, and I have a website
CHR> more twisted.
CHR>
I'm more interested in the production issue. There are no difficulties with storing files
arises. And what’s the point of posting documentation on the site (besides
TECHNOLOGICAL documentation, i.e. documentation required for
production tasks; there is no other one yet. If the circuit and board layout still
you can figure it out, then no one except me has access to the sources of FPGA firmware
He will figure it out, but he won’t figure it out. I'm sure of this) if there is no production?
What good will it do? But in case I finally decide to refuse
further development of the project, then all existing documentation will be posted
for free use.
Hello, All
The question I asked myself was whether to order
production of a new set of Pentagon-1024SL ver 2.0 boards (based on FPGA).
Now everything is somehow in limbo, 2 copies of the new one have been collected
boards and there is one more unfinished one. To be honest, there is a great desire to tinker
I don’t have any boards now, but it may appear if there are orders.
Otherwise, there is little point in organizing production. However, reality
such is that over the past six months I have completed only 3 assembly orders
computers and one order for the supply of a blank circuit board. The problem is that when
With such order dynamics, production does not even reach the level of self-sufficiency.
This explains my doubts about the further success of the project. At the same time
time, I satisfied my creative interests by bringing the new version of the board to
state of a finished and functional product. Maybe it's worth it
stop? :v2_conf3:
Hello Orionsoft
Ori> just don’t erase the files
:v2_clapp; Isn't it; what will I scratch out of the blank :v2_devil:
Hello KingOfEvil
Kin> And what’s the point of posting documentation on the site
not technological, but user-specific - RE, patchport, performance characteristics, advertising, this and that)
Hello, Strunov
Str> I would like to know what the estimated price of the product is.
so on the website it says http://pentagon1024.narod.ru
Hello Ronin
There's not a word about 2.0.
Hello Ronin
I would like to know what the estimated price of the product is.
Hello KingOfEvil
Kin> I'm more interested in the production problem. With file storage
Kin> there are no difficulties. And what's the point of posting it on the site
Kin> documentation (also TECHNOLOGICAL documentation, i.e.
Kin> documentation necessary for production tasks; another one for now
Kin> no. If you can still figure out the circuit and layout of the board, then
Kin> no one will understand the sources of FPGA firmware except me, and not
Kin> will be parsed. I'm sure of this) if there is no production? Which from
Kin> will it be useful? But in case I finally decide to refuse
Kin> further development of the project, then all existing documentation will be
Kin> is posted for free use.
I meant technical information, photos, documents... (look briefly at how I have
is on the website).
The technological one will also be useful so that it doesn’t accidentally disappear along with the screw :).
In principle, I can make you a pentagon1024 subdomain if you want.
Hello fan
Well, the price purely technologically will be in the range of about 100 $/eur. less -
It won’t work, more - there will be cries of “oh dear, better pts.”
of course, unless the Pentagon adds a turbo mode of at least 7 MHz - values
there will be little in it. Well, it’s time to install the on-board IDE. and all sorts of other little things.
Hello, CHRV
CHR> I meant technical information, photos, documents... (look briefly
CHR> as I have on the site).
CHR> The technological one will also come in handy so that it doesn’t accidentally disappear with
CHR> screw :).
CHR> In principle, I can make you a pentagon1024 subdomain if you want.
Technical information still needs to be written, and this takes time. For now
moment from the documentation there is a diagram, PCB, firmware sources, firmware and mine
paper drafts.
Some technical information and a photo of the board are on this forum.
Hello KingOfEvil
I think it should be released!!! When I went to Maxagor to pick up a construction set
Turbo2+, expressed hope that the Pentagon1024SL clone of the 2nd version will see the light of day in
mass quantity. Buy - I will buy if the cost is up to 100 USD.
Kin> ...but it may appear if there are orders. Otherwise there is no big
Kin> makes sense to organize production.
Orders, I think, will come when there is appropriate advertising - like
Romana on the website (photos, description of capabilities, various delivery options -
bare board, designer, assembled, assembled in a case). I think it's worth it
will agree to a subdomain from NedoPC - the resource is quite promoted, and in general
producers need to stick together (at least virtually!).
Although the situation is generally strange - a lot of people want to have an iron
Speckies, many people want to buy old hardware at a high price, and even repair it,
and when a person, having spent a lot of knowledge, time and effort, is ready to start serial
production of a new, fairly promoted clone - so few positive
reviews!!!
Alexey - I wish you success in Specostroying, don’t stop halfway!
I hope your Spec will be in demand not only among us, but also
abroad!!!!:v2_clapp:
Hello, Ovvnex
I support! Pentagon-1024 to come! I'm planning to buy v 2.0, if the price is not too high
will increase compared to the previous one (v 1.4, unfortunately, has not yet arrived -
We're waiting... :|) The project attracts with its minimalistic extensions of the original
architecture (as opposed to the "sophisticated" ATM 2+) - exclusively from my
own preferences. :)
Hello KingOfEvil
Kin> Of those who “want”, only 10% place orders (I didn’t come up with this number
Kin> took it, simply divided the number of computers ordered from me by the total
Kin> number of people with whom he corresponded). It’s not enough to want, you have to do
Kin> do.
I largely agree! People love to shake the air and the Internet channel much more
more than taking real steps. But just now I was looking for all sorts of information on
Pentagon128 1991 (I got a board without the main microchips and edges).
I also found a lot on your site! And on the Internet on various forums there are many announcements about
desire to buy Specki (often very expensive)! I propose to the forum members united
efforts to post advertisements for both ATM boards and Pentagon 1024 on all these forums,
links to sites! I think there will be more people on the forum, and Alexey will have clients
and Roman!!! Alekseenko should know especially many such forums!!!! ;-) He's in
I mentioned this in some post!
Pentagon 1024SL v2.0 to come! (I even have a case prepared for it - desktop
flex ATX - nothing will go there except your Penta!!!!)
Hello, CHRV
CHR> Lesha, send me the files if I can post them on my website (otherwise
CHR> narod.ru unpredictable and slow). Yes, and I have a website
CHR> more twisted.
CHR>
Here is the PDF prepared. Everything is very brief there, but I think it’s enough for a start.
File: Pent1024.rar http://zx.pk.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=3504
Hello, Ovvnex
Ovv> Orders, I think, will come when there is appropriate advertising -
Ovv> as on Roman’s website (photos, description of features, various
Ovv> delivery options - bare board, designer, assembled, assembled
Ovv> body). I think it’s worth agreeing to a subdomain with NedoPC - resource
Ovv> is quite promoted, and in general manufacturers need to hold on
Ovv> together (at least virtually!).
Ovv>
Ovv> Although the situation is generally strange - the mass of people want to have one
Ovv> iron speckies, many people want to buy old iron at a high price, and even
Ovv> and repair it, and when people, having spent a lot of knowledge, time and
Ovv> strength, ready to start mass production of a new one, enough
Ovv> promoted clone - so few positive reviews!!!
Ovv>
Ovv> Alexey - I wish you success in Speckostroenie, don’t stop there
Ovv> half way there! I hope your Spec will be in demand not only among us, but also
Ovv> abroad!!!!:v2_clapp;Thank you.; In general, I have a website for advertising purposes, but I don’t have time for it.
update. There is also no time to write detailed documentation, because... I have
in addition to the Pentagon, there are 2 more equally interesting projects, and in addition
I have to combine work and study at the institute. At one time I even suggested
people wanted to take part in the development of the project, but no one wanted to.
As for the fact that many people want to have a real spec, this is
delusion. Of those who “want” to place orders, only 10% (I don’t know this number)
I took the ceiling and simply divided the number of computers ordered from me by the total
number of people with whom he corresponded). It’s not enough to want, you have to do things.
Hello, m.d.
md> I support! Pentagon-1024 to come! I'm planning to buy v 2.0, if the price
md> will not increase much compared to the previous one (v 1.4, unfortunately, for now
md> hasn't arrived yet - we're waiting... :|)
Yes. Our mail is not particularly fast, but I think it will arrive soon.
Hello KingOfEvil
I looked at the CSP'2006 collection...
There were about 20 people. According to the “experienced”, there will be up to 50 in total...
And how many of them need real money?
And Novosibirsk is not the smallest city...
Here is the answer - “the new board is destined to remain in 3 copies”
Hello KingOfEvil
Kin> Apparently, the new board is destined to remain in 3 copies
It's a pity! Seriously, it's a shame! (((In my opinion, work of such volume should not
go to waste (or end up with only three copies of the scarf)!
A counter question - is it possible to purchase one of these three assembled boards, and
if possible, then for how much?
Hello ASDT
Studio prices!
Hello, Ovvnex
Ovv> Sorry! Seriously, it's a shame! (((In my opinion, work of this volume
Ovv> should not go to waste (or remain in only three copies
Ovv> scarf)!
Ovv>
Ovv> Counter question - can you use one of these three assembled boards -
Ovv> purchase, and if possible, for how much?
The situation with the new boards is this: there are 3 of them in total, now 2 have been assembled and one is in
process. These boards were initially planned as experimental ones and were not made for
production to order, but rather to satisfy my creative interests. I
I decided to keep 2 boards for my needs (one for work, the other for experiments), also
I wanted to give one to Dima Bystrov for testing, but for some reason he’s in no hurry to get it
pick up, says that he is busy connecting ATM-Turbo. After which I was going
re-order the boards. However, now I have doubts about
the expediency of such a development of events. I still have problems with the availability of
free time. In the fall my workload will be such that I will be able to collect not
more than 1 fee per month (at best).
Now, if only there was a person who could at least get him drunk (and even better,
configure) boards, things would go much more energetically, of course, provided thatorders for boards will arrive more or less regularly. Otherwise there's simply no point
start it all again. In reality, you need to make at least five boards, and even better, 10
- 15, but given the current dynamics of orders, 15 boards will diverge somewhere
two or three years, and this is a completely unsatisfactory time frame for me, because...
I have to pay for the production immediately, in a very short time, and then wait 2-3
years until the invested money (considerable, by the way) is returned, and even without any
guarantees that they will return.
Hello KingOfEvil
"solder (or better yet, tune)"
What kind of setting?
Hello, Ovvnex
And I would take a fully assembled computer. By yourself, no matter how it is
interesting, can't handle it.
Let's better calculate how many potential candidates there are for purchase
new computer...
Hello demon_zx
I'm joining!!!:v2_cheer;
Think,; the most optimal distribution option for Pentagon 1024 SL v2.1 is
bare board, with soldered BGA sockets and flashed ROM and FPGA included!
The rest of the mikruhi, as I understand it, are standard - you can buy them locally
radio markets. But Alexey is freed from long-term assembly and adjustment
boards, and the user gets the awesome thrill of self-assembling Specky!
I'm currently soldering ATM Turbo2+ v. 7.10 (work is slowly but surely approaching
completion) and I get immeasurable pleasure from it.
So Lesh, please consider this way of selling Penta. Just knowing
that such a machine was created and not being able to purchase it, it’s a wolf
I want to howl!!! A cult machine, on a modern element base - this is
super! Want!
(in general, I am collecting a collection of the most famous Specs - there are already Pros 3 and 5
versions, Pentagon 48 and 128, ATM Turbo2+ - I really want to have it
Pentagon 1024 SL v2.1. Here.)
Hello, Ovvnex
Ovv> I think the most optimal distribution option for the Pentagon 1024 SL
Ovv> v2.1, this is a bare board, with sealed BGA panels and flashed ROM and
Ovv> FPGA included!
I join in favor of such a kit. The question is how much it will cost and how
order, pay?
Hello, The Exploited
The> where did you see the bga?? )
Damn, whoops! ((((I’m running to fix it, thank you!)
Of course, PLCC! It’s just that they are not so easy to find in our city.
ZY At first I read: Where did you see God?? ;-))))
Hello, ilyaspb
Hello, I came back from a business trip and read my favorite forum, please announce
the price, the assembled board or board and the necessary stitched microchips and one more for you
more people will be added!!! :v2_smile:
Hello, Ovvnex
Ovv> with sealed BGA panels
where did you see the bga?? :))
Hello KingOfEvil
Thank you for not abandoning the project!!! I will take 100% payment (even if
I'll have to go into debt!!! I would like to take the bare board + plus option
stitched brooch and pleat, but if this option doesn’t work out, I’ll take the whole one
assembled Pentagon!
Comrades, join us - you are giving the new Pentagon 1024 SL v2.1 to the masses!!!
ZY If necessary, I will send a deposit!!! Once again "respect and respect"!!! :-)
Hello axor
axo> Let's better count how many potential candidates there are already
axo> purchase of a new computer...
You decided everything for me so well, you’re already making lists :v2_rolley
In general, I am ordering a new set of boards in September. You need to decide how many pieces
do. I would like it to be 10-15. To keep the price within $100, you need to do
minimum 5 pieces.
Hello KingOfEvil
Swept away!
PM me options for transferring fees and financial settlement!!! I'll pick it up
absolutely!!!
Hello KingOfEvil
Hello, Alexey!
Last Saturday I received the board and two disks! The quality of the board is above expectations -
cool mask, thick textolite! And the software and data that I received on disks,
beyond all expectations! I've been hunting for a lot of things for a long time, but here it's all on two discs!
This alone made it worth ordering. Now I'm collecting the rest of the parts and
I'll start soldering soon!!!! Thank you so much!!!! I believe in the future of Pentagon-1024
SL ver 2.1!
Hello KingOfEvil
And I forgot to write, based on the results of the demonstration of the board on CC06 it will be accepted
decision on the number of new boards, the order of which is scheduled for September :v2_cheer;
.;
Hello KingOfEvil
At the CC06 festival the board version will be demonstrated in working condition
2.1. Those interested will be able to familiarize themselves with the new board in more detail.
Hello KingOfEvil
2 KingOfEvil...
Look, can I count on a fully functional machine based on yours?
fees... Damn the CC.. I was very drunk, and in the morning they didn’t let me look at the specs.. And
It turns out you were there.. damn...
How much will a fully assembled car cost???? (except for the monitor, of course)....
Hello, s1moncpu
Lesha, how about an offer to move to my site, otherwise narod.ru is cool
badyaga. I’ll make you a separate domain (like Max’s - atmturbo.nedopc.com).
Hello, CHRV
Kuku... anyone????
Hello, yoko_ono
yok> Sochi there was a merchant who was selling boards under the hammer at a price of 100
yok> bucks or something like that. He also sold assembled pent1024SL
yok> for 4500. oh well, the last thing - I tested and assembled it, and the board!!!!
yok> 8)
What prevents the author from occupying this niche?
Outbid?
Hello new art
new> What prevents the author from occupying this niche?
new> Outbid?
Probably conscience.
Hello, CHRV
CHR> Probably conscience.
I can't stand hucksters. And I don’t want to become a huckster. And the fee that he
sold for 5000 rubles. I collected it for him for 2000 rubles. After LVD threw me
link to this Sochi disgrace, I blacklisted PAREEV MAXIM.
Hello KingOfEvil
2KingOfEvil: The Pent v 2.2 (sch_22.rar) scheme does not download on the website.
Can this be fixed?
Hello Costa
Cos> 2KingOfEvil: The Pent v 2.2 (sch_22.rar) scheme does not download on the website.
Cos> Can this be fixed?
I'll fix it soon.