Mega post. Part 2.

Hello Lethargeek CHRV> it seems strange to discuss something with a person who is not really real CHRV> uses Oh, yeah! Finally! :) I was still waiting for this “killer” to appear argument. Really, what's there to discuss with him? Good thing they didn't ask where I was at April 1982. ;) And in general: “You are still looking from the point of view of a programmer,” “the arguments are empty, because which are completely unsupported by decisions"... Dear CHRV, actually, understands that any "solution" must consist of two parts - from the programmer's point of view and, YES, from a point ironman's vision? But after reading the forum archive, I realized that CHRV respects this is the approach to solving problems: without saying a word, the “professional” takes it and does it development to then present the finished scheme to the admiring public. At the same time, if "professional" - a hardware specialist, then there is no theoretical justification for usefulness in the field of software not from him required. And if “programmer” - then both the justification and the ready-made diagram. Wonderful. As a result “programmers” don’t offer anything at all, not understanding hardware, but iron workers are puzzled they ask why “writers” suddenly ignore their bells and whistles. Why such contempt for “programmers”? And what about the Spectrum, for all of it history, made "programmers" and what - "hardware people"? To begin with, "Spec 48 from the point view asbranded firmware, and from the hardware side - a complete freak. And here is the software under everything about him forgives shortcomings." This was once stated by dhau, who recently tried me destroy. :rolleyes: Yes, and Conan has a lot of interesting things on his website about this read. But nevertheless, all the shortcomings paled before the convenience (at that time) programming and the avalanche-like appearance of software at the low price of the computer itself. But this is "convenience" It happened, in general, by accident. And the appearance of the following models “from the Spaniards” and Amstrad nothing fundamentally changed. What about our iron workers? We produced a bunch of circuits of varying degrees of crookedness. Mistaken for standard of the fatal TR-DOS (which “became a coffin slab” - Conan) - apparently first from disk interfaces got into our hands and was “easy to implement” on domestic components. And together they began to build monsters. Yes, of course, many buyers in the mid-90s chose Spectrum clones based on principle "who has bells and whistles." But take away the Spectrum mode, and who would look at these bells and whistles? There would be another CP/M or "self-compatible" computers, like those that recently were developed (post)Soviet radio amateurs. And these, in their own way, were widespread computers (I now mean the “second” computer inside the clone) only thanks to "support" in the form Spectrum mode, which made it possible to “play with toys.”So “such a bad” CHRV “cuts” not my idea, but the branch on which it sits. Any bells and whistles make sense as long as they work on the Spectrum (that is, on Spekovsky software), and not “a second computer in one bottle”. Especially now that Speck (and exactly Speck) is purely a hobby. Maxagor> Fuck it! Buy ATMs and you will have various additional screens. Again a mechanical, even “accounting” approach. The fact of the matter is that various... And not the “native” Spekovsky, the shortcomings of which everyone understands perfectly well, only "jump off" They can’t do anything about him. Yeah, and the same Maxagor in the “history of ATM” writes: "...And this was done for a reason. As I already said, in the early 90s it was still very many fed hopes for more serious than hobby use of the Spectrum. And for this, it seemed you just need a little bit to add speed, graphics, memory, expand periphery and write more professional software..." And there - about problems and brakes, partially solved by turbo mode. That is, the calculation was initially based on "professional application". And very soon it became clear that he was not justified. And it seems that it is precisely these ATM (and not only ATM) “circuit” implementations lie "dead" weight" on the board, only making it difficult to intervene with a soldering iron. Isn’t it time to put aside personal ambitions, “professional” pride, and so on? similarfactors and finally start WORKING TOGETHER on improvement and development Spectrum - all its aspects. I understand that I “understand” hardware “broadly”, but not "deep" but even the iron workers, judging by the experience of past years, have little idea yourself with software problems using your graphical bells and whistles. Otherwise, why does the forum even exist? Are you ready to show off your ready-made schemes? Or still fill in the gaps in each other’s knowledge, support with advice, to give an idea... Much was said about the “professional approach”. In my opinion, in almost all messages from respected iron workers the word “professional” should be replaced with “UZKOprofessional”. I believe that as a "programmer", on my part the task is largely completed - formulated problems and ways to solve them (of course, allowing for improvements) with software point vision. And now I would like to hear how this can be implemented. In the meantime I get examples of how (exactly “how”, not “WHY”!) this cannot be implemented.