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From Kirill Frolov To Evgeny Poddubny 16 October 2001

Press RESET immediately, Evgeny! 15 Oct 01 21:31, Evgeny Poddubny wrote to Oleg Groskow: OG>> Do you have a new Nemovsky? With slots? They are compatible with OG>> scorpidae? Can scorpion iron be used? What modem? EP> The slots are fully compatible because Scorpio also has NEMOBUS. NO! And it’s generally incorrect, scorpion appeared much earlier than kaya... EP> Iron is theoretically possible, but in practice it’s difficult because it’s necessary EP> remake kai into scorp. XTR, GS work. Nemov’s works don’t work in Scorpio (for example Beta-Disk, HDD works). Only SMUC will not work (it will work on its own, but there will be no software support) and a COM port on i8051. EP> due to my stupidity, however, this cannot even be called a screw drop - EP> loading from ROM was simply cut off (restore - like 2 fingers ....) It's clearly buggy there. My screw doesn't load for some reason. :-( Most likely due to the fact that the partition with iS-DOS is too far away from 0 screw track. EP> there are them, though only those that go through #3d13. The propeller speed is very EP> not bad - I even wrote a small program for experimentation EP> showing video from the propeller (window size 16x24 familiar places, working EP> via regular LDIR without any stacks: loads the image into memory and EP> then throws it on the screen, speed 33 frames/sec in turbo and 22 frames in EP>normal) Idea: you can make a 3-color movie from a CD on a spec. The whole question rests only in quality... I don’t know what can be seen there in a third Spectrum screens (according to my calculations, the spec will have time to read 1/3 of the screen and play sound at 25 FPS). It turns out something like a Video CD on a pussy, just your own format.

From Vlad Sotnikov To Nikolaj Amosov 23 October 2001

Hello Nikolaj! October 18, 2001 (it was 10:13 pm then) Nikolaj Amosov in his letter to Vlad Sotnikov wrote: VS>> With GMX - up to 2Mb. And changing the ROM is problematic - there VS>> working with screws on it VS>> tied. But the version there is fixed - it’s Rodionov, it seems VS>> helped fix... NA> What is this fixed version? Something I didn't notice in mine NA> v5.0G no latches, rather the opposite - everything was loosened. No, there the tr-dos is shoveled in such a way that it can work with the screw. And, as they wrote, “obvious errors have been removed.” And Rodionov (I’m slightly taller I wrote it incorrectly) I wrote subroutines for working with the disk for the built-in BIOS (called via RST 8). NA> Nikolaj. Vega / ex-Style Group. October 23, 2001

From Dmitriy Nesmachny To Sergey Krinitsin 26 October 2001

Hello Sergey! Sunday 21 Oct 2001 18:50:20, Sergey Krinitsin -> Sergey Zotov: SK> What are you talking about? Kai also stores images on a screw, in SK> in the form of .trd, just copies them to the ramdisk for use. SK> Don't know? This is not working with a screw. With this approach, first of all, you lose the ability to use additional memory or additional electronic disk (if you want to save changes to the screw), secondly, in case of any failure power supply, all information is lost, thirdly, any program failure can damage information, since it is stored in RAM. This is all frivolous, just for toys, and since almost all toys work at 128K, that means Kai is “re-engineered” for gaming computer and “under-sophisticated” for more serious matters. Why did he then do you need one? Best regards, Dmitriy.

From Evgeny Poddubny To Dmitriy Nesmachny 30 October 2001

Ave, Dmitriy, morituri te salutant! Somehow Friday October 26, 2001 at 09:28:37 soaped Dmitriy Nesmachny to Sergey Krinitsin on the topic Kay-1024 SK>> What are you talking about? Kai also stores images on a screw, in SK>> in the form of .trd, just to use them on a ramdisk SK>> copies. SK>> Don’t know? DN> This is not working with a screw. With this approach, firstly DN> you lose the ability to use additional memory DN> or an additional electronic disk (if you want to save And what about the additional ^^^^^^^ appeared on the scorpion?? DN> changes to the screw), secondly, in case of any power failure, all DN> information is lost, thirdly, any program failure can DN> damage the information, since it is stored in RAM. That's all Considering that work with RAM drive on Kaya is organized through #3d13, then the failure programs in this case on a machine without a RAM drive will ruin the information on the flop, and in the case of scorpion - on the screw (because it also works through #3d13). But in the case of Kai - an unaffected copy remains on the screw, because Kai does not work with the screw in holedos. DN> not serious, for toys only, but since almost all toysDN> work at 128K, which means Kai is “over-engineered” for gaming DN> of a computer and is “not sophisticated” for more serious matters. A What do you mean by "more serious matters"? DN> why is it needed then? If you don't need it, don't take it. But there is no need to find fault. SAYO:NARA, DO:ZO O-GENKI-DE, Evgeny Poddubny. @ZXNet 500:4232/1.777 | Fidonet 2:5045/78.777

From Dmitriy Nesmachny To Alexander Khavzin 3 November 2001

Hello Alexander! Tuesday 30 Oct 2001 23:22:13, Alexander Khavzin -> Dmitriy Nesmachny: DN>> damage the information, since it is stored in RAM. That's all DN>> not serious, for toys only, but almost everything DN>> toys DN>> work at 128K, which means Kai is “over-engineered” for gaming DN>> computer and “not so sophisticated” for more serious matters. A DN>> why is it needed then? AK> For what kind of “serious” things is Kai not sophisticated? Well, for example, for convenient programming: memory is full, but everything is on the screw via ()(). For primitive text typing the same (do not offer IS-DOS! I I can’t stomach his breath! ;-))) Well, and so on. First of all, I don’t like that despite the fact that he was released after scorpion, it has practically nothing (useful) new, but there is not much old: 1024 KB, why do you need it if you have a screw? Drives through copy memory? Well, if only... But the absence of a shadow worker makes me feel like coder, somewhat annoying. AK> Which computer do you think is sophisticated enough for more AK> serious matters"? And why is he more sophisticated than Kai? The same scorp. Two main features that are worth all the advantages of the subject (forme at least): TR-DOS on the screw and shadow. Best regards, Dmitriy.

From Vladimir Larkov To Dmitriy Nesmachny 4 November 2001

Hello, Dmitry! Tue 23-Oct-2001 07:48, you (500:95/462.9) wrote a letter to Aleksandr Majorov: DN> With all due respect, I would like to note that the hardware of ALL computers DN> can autostart, which is what they mostly do when you click on DN> POWER button. Autostart what? What is written below? C64, for example, has no analogous to autoexec.bat/boot.b/startup-sequense/etc. DN> In the offtopic, the operating system loads and runs the prescribed ones DN> files by the user, not in Spec. Have you ever flopped a 48? It is when you turn on the power supply or after reset goes to typdos to load boot.b With best wishes, Vladimir.

From Vladimir Larkov To Aleksandr Majorov 4 November 2001

Hello, Alexander! Fri 26-Oct-2001 23:30, you (500:812/2) wrote a letter to Dmitriy Nesmachny: DN>> In the offtopic, the operating system loads and runs those specified by the user DN>> files, not in Spec. AM> Well, actually, at first the BIOS loads something DN>> The approach is purely software AM> That's for sure. But the bazaar is precisely about the fact that this thing has been done in Skorpa AM> but not in KAE ;))) In Scorpa, however, MOA implemented this as anally as possible. It would be normal a sign of storage capacity on the lot, so that later everyone can put their favorite one there a program that, in his opinion, is best suited for the role of a butler manager. Another thing that can’t help but “please” is that after smuc reports finding _hdd_ MOA one fig happily climbs to read his sectors with _flop_. Brilliant. ;) With best wishes, Vladimir.

From Aleksandr Majorov To Vladimir Larkov 4 November 2001

Hello Vladimir! 04 Nov 01 04:55, Vladimir Larkov -> Aleksandr Majorov: [skipped] AM>> Well, actually, at first the BIOS loads something DN>>> The approach is purely software AM>> That's for sure. But the market is precisely about the fact that this stuff is in Scorpa AM>> is done, but not in KAE ;))) VL> In Scorpa, however, MOA implemented this as anally as possible. I don't argue. VL> Normally it would be a sign of profitability for the partition, so that later there VL> everyone could put their favorite program, which in their opinion is better VL> is most suitable for the role of butler manager. Ugh, and less problems... everyone VL> One cannot but “please” that after smuc reports about VL> finding _hdd_ MOA one fig happily climbs to read his sectors with VL> _flop_. Brilliant. ;) On the other hand, since autostart is available only from the flop, this is reasonable ;) Because I inserted a floppy disk, booted from it and went to the screw ;))))) Alexand

From Mihail Zharov To Vladimir Larkov 5 November 2001

Hello, Vladimir! Sunday 04 November 2001, at 04:55:14, Vladimir Larkov -> Aleksandr Majorov: [delete] DN>>> The approach is purely software AM>> That's for sure. But the bazaar is precisely about the fact that this is in Skorpe AM>> approximately done, but not in KAE ;))) VL> In Scorpa, however, MOA implemented this as anally as possible. VL> A sign would be normal VL> storage capacity for the partition, so that later everyone can go there VL> put your favorite program VL> which, in his opinion, is best suited for the role VL> butmanager. Even more normal - normal DOS for screw ;) VL> One cannot help but be “pleased” by the fact that after smuc VL> reports location VL> _hdd_ MOA one fig happily climbs to read his sectors with VL> _flop_. Brilliant. VL> ;) Why can't I get it? ;) Familiar, from other computers. Met. I don't know the difference. The development is the same, maybe the flop is tricky status, or a sophisticated combination of flags in the shadows. Now I'm playing with flags - no reaction - everything is screwed climbs right away - the flop doesn’t rock the boat, doesn’t even blink, how notcompletely alive. Culture, probably. ;) Accordingly, if the image is removed, everything crunches maliciously and plows from the flop. Happy connections, Vladimir.

From Dmitriy Nesmachny To Vladimir Larkov 6 November 2001

Hello, Vladimir! Sunday 4 Nov 2001 04:43:32, Vladimir Larkov -> Dmitriy Nesmachny: DN>> With all due respect, I would like to note that the hardware DN>> ALL computers DN>> can autostart, which is what they do for the most part DN>> when clicked DN>> POWER button. VL> Autostart what? What is written below? C64, for example Autostart the processor from some address. Z80 for example with #0000. VL> has no analogue VL> autoexec.bat/boot.b/startup-sequense/etc. So what? And it doesn’t have a spec. Although giving him such an opportunity is only ROM alter. Which was done in the same scorpion. DN>> In the offtopic, the operating system loads and launches DN>> registered DN>> files by the user, not in Spec. VL> Have you ever flopped a 48? It turns on VL> pitalova or after a reset goes to typdos to load bottles Well, why did you say that? What, I don’t know that or what? Well, I loaded it, but this because the operating system hardware was replaced. Best regards, Dmitriy.

From Mihail Zharov To Nikolaj Amosov 7 November 2001

Hello Nikolaj! Tuesday 06 November 2001, at 18:26:48, Nikolaj Amosov -> Mikhail Zharov: VL>>> I can’t help but be “pleased” by the fact that after smuc VL>>> reports location VL>>> _hdd_ MOA one fig happily climbs to read his sectors with VL>>> _flop_. Brilliant. VL>>> ;) MZ>> Why doesn’t it work for me? ;) MZ>> Familiar, from other computers. Met. MZ>> I don’t know the difference. The development is the same, maybe the flop is tricky MZ>> status, or a sophisticated combination of flags in the shadow. MZ>> Now I'm playing with flags - no reaction - everything is screwed MZ>> immediately climbs - the flop doesn’t rock the boat, doesn’t even blink, like not MZ>> completely alive. Culture, probably. ;) MZ>> Accordingly, if you remove the image, everything crunches maliciously and MZ>> plows from the flop. NA> And if you autostart from another drive other than A, then it will work NA> still on the flop. I can't do it! ;) ...to the flop, if the disk image is from the screw connected to the name of the flop - the screw is working - the flop is silent... There are Scorpios whose shadow “lights up” the flop (LED on the flop),despite the connected image... Remind me, I’ll show you. For example: there are two identical ones in the Scorpio hardware, turn on, launch (click on enter). On A, the disk image from the screw is already connected on both computers. One computer starts immediately from the screw, the flop is silent. Another computer for some reason also “lights up” the flop, although it also starts from the screw successfully. I don’t know where the dog is buried. Happy connections, Nikolaj.

From Aleksandr Majorov To Evgeny Poddubny 11 November 2001

Hello Evgeny! 10 Nov 01 20:33, Evgeny Poddubny -> Dmitriy Nesmachny: [skipped] DN>> So what? And it doesn’t have a spec. Although give him this DN>> possibility - just flash the ROM. Which is what was done in the same DN>> skoppe. DN>>>> In the offtopic, the operating system loads and starts DN>>>> files registered by the user, not in Spec. EP> Nonsense, it does all this without problems. Moreover, in any suitable EP> quantities. Small question - who launches is-dos? So you turned on Speck, and what are your next steps? to run IS-DOS? ;) Alexand

From Evgeny Poddubny To Aleksandr Majorov 12 November 2001

Ave, Aleksandr, morituri te salutant! Somehow Sunday November 11, 2001 at 13:16:07 soaped Aleksandr Majorov to Evgeny Poddubny on Kay-1024 EP>> Nonsense, it does all this without problems. Moreover, in what EP>> any quantities. AM> Little question - who will launch is-dos? AM> So you turned on Speck, and what are your next actions AM> to run is-dos? ;) When you turn it on, I hold down the symbol shift key and the isdos is loaded automatically with screw SAYO:NARA, DO:ZO O-GENKI-DE, Evgeny Poddubny. @ZXNet 500:4232/1.777 | Fidonet 2:5045/78.777

From Kirill Frolov To Evgeny Poddubny 15 November 2001

Press RESET immediately, Evgeny! 14 Nov 01 20:41, Evgeny Poddubny wrote to Nikolaj Amosov: AM>>>> So you turned on Speck, and what are your next steps AM>>>> to run IS-DOS? ;) EP>>> When turning on, hold down the symbol shift and isdos key EP>>> is loaded automatically from the screw. NA>> Well, apparently it’s still semi-automatic, since you have to press shift. EP> Damn it, everything here is done manually - you also need to press the power. s? :). And you turn it on and don’t turn it off again. For example, MMD on a scorpion can be left turned on, and if it freezes or they cut off the power and then turn it on, then the scorpion will reboot and MMD, and then there will be work. And on the kai you need a person to press the buttons.

From Mihail Zharov To Alexandr Khavzin 20 November 2001

Hello, Alexandr! On Saturday, November 17, 2001, at 20:19:08, Alexandr Khavzin -> Mikhail Zharov. AK>>>>> Which computer do you think is sophisticated enough "for more AK>>>>> serious matters"? And why is he more sophisticated than Kai? DN>>>> Same scorp. Two main features that cost everyone DN>>>> advantages of the subject (for me at least): TR-DOS on DN>>>> screw and shadow. AK>>> TR-DOS in Scorpa is heavily overhauled and there is incompatibility. MZ>> Like you found fault? ;) AK> And I didn’t think to find fault. I'm tired of looking for/writing a driver AK> #3D13 for normal AK> worked on Scorp and other machines. A lot of software - #3d13 works, but yours doesn't want... ;) What's the conclusion? MZ>> Nare words... Far from practice. AK> On Scorpia you must do ld c,1:call #3d13:ld AK> c,#18: call #3d13 Classic. Is it difficult or a waste of memory? Where is the tension? ;) Let me add - this is for Scorp with a screw, and for a screw. Everything else will work fine from a floppy disk... MZ>> Are you able to give examples? AK> Of the 3 drivers that I found, not a single one is normal, both functions are not AK> performs (either they hang themselves, or spoil BASIC) Tried it crookedly. Since access through #3d13 works on _any_ computers... Look, say, in the software "pkunzip". Why does it work? Shaitan? ;) MZ>> approx. I'll give you the only one: ADS. AK> I will have a larger list: RC 1.96,2.0; F-Commander and AK> other programs that do not completely perform (see above) the shift AK> disk. They do not work correctly with uninitialized AK> previously disk drives. So are you arguing about programs that don’t run on the _screw_, or about programs that do not work due to the fact that "TR-DOS in Scorp is heavily dug and there is incompatibility"? You decide... If it’s about the first, then it’s simple: it’s done crookedly - there’s no complete work through #3d13 - somewhere they do it _in their own way_... And if the latter, then I have already given the only example. What I mean is that the software you provided is great from a floppy disk. it starts (!), but ADS doesn’t work at all. Tyr-dos is one for everyone... MZ>> That's it. Crowd? Press? ;) AK> No. I personally have nothing against Scorpio. Even curious AK> work with the shadow guy - Scorpio people praise him very much. Everyone praises their own... ;))) Like _any_ software, it has its drawbacks, unfortunately. MZ>> Alternative: people have long been changing 5.03/5.04T to... 5.13 and MZ>> etc. Dug up..? Is there any incompatibility? MZ>> I don't know. No practice. MZ>> But if you stick to your principles... MZ>> "They broke the hymen! Bad computer!" ;) AK> You misunderstood me. AK> On KAE, by the way, TR-DOS is also dug up (but less :) How did you compare? ;) “More/less” - words... Can you give examples? Tell me the software that runs from a floppy disk on Kaya and it works, but on Scorp it doesn’t start from a floppy disk or works. MZ>> Funny? I hope. AK> Not really. Uh-huh. And faintly drawn to the theme of echoes... Let's get into soap? MZ>> Let's simply/roughly compare the configs in soap? ;) AK> What does this mean and why? With a simple comparison of the config, you can easily see where There are more opportunities for Kai/Scorp. I remind you of the topic the beginning of the argument... look at the beginning, I left everything there. Have a nice meeting, Alexandr.

From Yuri Teslenko To Alexandr Khavzin 29 November 2001

Howdy, Alexandr! 12.11.2001 at 22:34 Alexandr Khavzin wrote to Yuri Teslenko: AK>>> Do you need to flash the ROM or install cache for this? YT>> This is not a problem. AK> How is it done? Throw it all at me. The scheme was already flying in exe (I launched it). The rest is coding. Should be in cache keyboard handler (as in 48 ROM and in the same place). Packing STS. When NMI arrives, you remember the registers. You stuff the STS around high banks (the STS resident is pre-stuffed into the cache (optional)). You calculate the R register, restore the rest and run (not forgetting about interrupt state). To exit, call the code that will set the registers and interruptions (problems with IM2 - you have to manually (although you can calculate it)) will recalculate R and continue execution. In the instructions for STS we read how to tell her PC. It is advisable to place the program in the 128th part of the cache to give the program being debugged 48 - ROM (copy to lower cache). A program is written that fills the cache with this crap before scrapping. In general, here you can sharpen it any way you like, even with the GUI. This was done a long time ago and everything has already been killed and forgotten. Bye, Yuri. [I.ZX] [Chemists] [For full address] [Ski poles] /_500:322/33@ZXNet_/ /_dangercorp@bigfoot.com_/ /_dangercorp@mail.ru_/ /_2:462/93.33@FidoNet_/