I want to draw GS in PCAD. Hence the question...
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Hello, All
If I draw this thing according to the diagram and get an image of the printed circuit board,
Is anyone ready to make this board itself, and the device, of course...?
Will no one be offended by this?
In principle, I can draw a library of cases myself, but if you have one
whom, I will only be grateful.
PS; Tired of it; verbiage, it’s time to get down to business :)
Hello, Evgeny Muchkin
If we do, then from a really working board (and not from unknown how much
buggy/inadequate circuitry).
And if we do make GS, then it will be on a matrix or ARM. If it doesn't work out cheaper then
At least you won’t have to deal with heaps during assembly.
IMHO
Hello Mike
1. Increase the number of channels, matrices, ARM... this is all, of course, great.
HO! Who will design all this, write ROM software??? Personally, I'm not into hardware
specialist, but I really don’t have time to program such a madnula
that's enough.
And again, this will only delay time.
2. I propose to implement what has already been implemented. And it was verified to work.
This is the simplest and, in my opinion, the correct way.
New hardware means new software for it and a lot of currently unnecessary hassle.
3. The only thing that can really be useful is to screw more
memory. HO! I think that this “more” should be done separately from the main one
device in the form of an expansion board, which with minimal modifications
(a couple of wires to hang somewhere) can be attached to the original boards
General Sound.
What are your thoughts, dear colleagues?
SfS, can you tell me more about the laser printer, please?
Hello, Evgeny Muchkin
Evg> 1. Increase the number of channels, matrices, ARM... that's all, of course
Evg> great. HO! Who will design all this, write the ROM software???
Evg> Personally, I’m not an expert in hardware, but to program such a madnula for me
Evg> there just really isn’t enough time.
Evg> And again, this will only take time.
Evg> 2. I propose to implement what has already been implemented. And verified
Evg> worked. This is the simplest and, in my opinion, the correct way.
Evg> New hardware means new software for it and a lot of unnecessary stuff for now
Evg> moment of hemorrhage.
Evg> 3. The only thing that can be really useful is to screw
Evg> more memory. HO! I think that this “more” needs to be done
Evg> separately from the main device in the form of an expansion board
Evg> which with minimal modifications (a couple of wires somewhere
Evg> hang) can also be attached to original General Sound boards.
Evg>
Evg> What are your thoughts, dear colleagues?
Evg> Evg> SfS, can you tell me more about the laser printer, please.
I think that if we make GS, then it will be as it is and not otherwise, without any
improvements. And if they deal with bells and whistles, then do something much more powerful
the solution to everything. By the way, how difficult is it to attach a SID to a spec? Or 2-4th
Sida? :)
Hello, The Exploited
The> at a minimum you need to install a modern DAC, more memory and at least 6
The> channels instead of 4
And it won’t be GS, but a new sound. Why 6 channels? Maybe then at least 16
? Each with pan, separate analog amplitude envelope, Low
Pass filter. And we get a regular sampler with a spec screwed to it for
interface drawing...
Hello, Evgeny Muchkin
Evg> If I draw this thing according to the diagram and get a printed image
Evg> boards, is anyone ready to make this board itself, and the device,
Evg> of course... ?
Evg>
Do you have a laser printer? Then do it yourself. It's much faster than waiting
someone somewhere and even for money will do everything :)
Hello Mike
Mik> Why 6 channels
the existing GS interface allows you to play mods and effects while muting
music channels. let's add
channels, fix the firmware => we’ll get parallel playback of effects with music
incl. in existing programs.
Mik> Maybe then at least 16? Each with panning, separate
Mik> analog amplitude envelope, Low Pass filter. And we will receive
Mik> a regular sampler with a drawing speck screwed to it
Mik> interface...
since no one has yet made a copy of the original GS, there’s nothing else to think about
has to. who will write the software?
Hello Mike
I’ll add only one thing - 572PA1 is complete crap!
p.s. 2Mike; at least; 55 seeds and 127 pits. In general, living seeds exist in nature in
for sale or only old used ones?
Hello, SfS
at a minimum you need to install a modern DAC, more memory and at least 6 channels
instead of 4
Hello fan
fan> If you invest money (and not too little), then in a complete copy of the GS board
fan> (and not in hese know what)
:v2_cheer:
Hello, The Exploited
The> I’ll add only one thing - 572PA1 is complete crap!
How is it included in GS? I'm sure it can sound much better than the GS.
Although I don't mind putting TDA1541 instead.
The> p.s. 2Mike; at least; 55 seeds and 127 pits. In general, there are live seeds in
The> for sale or only old used ones?
The seeds may be alive, new, and new devices are being released for them.
Hello, SfS
SfS> Do you have a laser printer? Then do it yourself. It's much faster than waiting
SfS> while someone somewhere and even for money will do everything
The density of the tracks there is already not poor, but after PCAD on the new
he'll piss off....
And modern printers will print a normal sheet, they even
You can't make a normal photo mask...
The> at a minimum you need to install a modern DAC, more memory and at least 6
The> channels instead of 4
Yeah, and the “bios” will be rewritten by an invisible friend ;)
(In this regard, DMA USC is such a mess, because there is no hint of “BIOS”,
and almost anyone who knows how to hold a soldering iron can assemble it (unless of course
wants to get involved with loose powder, because not the whole set of small circuits used is yet
virtualized for matrices).)
Evg> 1. Increase the number of channels, matrices, ARM... that's all, of course
Evg> great. HO! Who will design all this, write ROM software???
You won’t have to go through a lot of trouble under the matrix (IMHO). But without a diagram made according to
on a real board this can really become a hassle.
Evg> 2. I propose to implement what has already been implemented. And verified
Evg> worked. This is the simplest and, in my opinion, the correct way. Evg> New hardware means new software for it and a lot of unnecessary stuff for now
Evg> moment of hemorrhage.
Evg> 3. The only thing that can be really useful is to screw
Evg> more memory. HO! I think that this “more” needs to be done
Evg> separately from the main device in the form of an expansion board
Evg> which with minimal modifications (a couple of wires somewhere
Evg> hang) can also be attached to original General Sound boards.
Evg>
Evg> What are your thoughts, dear colleagues?
If you invest money (and not a small one), then in a complete copy of the GS board (and not in
Heze we know what) .
IMHO
Hello, CHRV
CHR> what number of boards does Verbov have
What's the point of this??.... :confused:
Hello KingOfEvil
Kin> I can share the library. I can even help with finishing the scheme and
Kin> board layout. And you do the production, assembly and configuration of the boards yourself
Kin> will you study? This is all a big hemorrhoid, no profit, and
Kin> all sorts of bad comrades will definitely criticize for different things
Kin> glitches. No one will say thank you for sure, because good deeds are punishable, according to
Kin> I know.
As far as I know, Verbov has a certain number of boards - ZhTN rubbed shoulders with him
about this at CC06... But the parties did not understand each other!
Hello, Evgeny Muchkin
Evg> If I draw this thing according to the diagram and get a printed image
Evg> boards, is anyone ready to make this board itself, and the device,
Evg> of course... ?
Evg> Will no one be offended by this?
Evg>
Evg> In principle, I can draw the corpus library myself, but if it
Evg> If anyone has it, I would be grateful.
Evg>
Evg> PS; Tired of it; verbiage, it’s time to get down to business :)
I can share the library. I can even help with finishing the diagram and wiring
fees. Will you be involved in the production, assembly and configuration of boards yourself? This
all big hemorrhoids, no profit, and all sorts of bad comrades are sure to
will be criticized for various glitches. Definitely no one will say thank you, because they are good
the deeds are punishable, I know from myself.
Hello, Evgeny Muchkin
Evg> Yesterday Kostya Verbov called me and expressed his decisiveness in a sharp form
Evg> disapproval of my initiative. How would we agree to meet today
Evg> and discuss this matter in a personal conversation. These are the pies. :v2_cry;
Hmm,; GS scheme among the people? Among the people. Firmware too? Same. What's the problem?
Hello KingOfEvil
Yesterday Kostya Verbov called me and sharply expressed his decisive
disapproval of my initiative. How would we agree to meet today and discuss
This is a matter of personal conversation. These are the pies. :v2_cry:
Hello, Evgeny Muchkin
Evg> What's the point of this??.... :confused;
I; So I realized that these are old boards. It's better to do it with new components.
Hello icebear
ice> Hmm, is the GS scheme among the people? Among the people. Firmware too? Same. What's the problem?
I don’t want to spoil my relationship with Kostya. He is the copyright holder of GS.
I’ll try to figure out just one thing - why he doesn’t make GS himself, and others
does not want to give production rights.
It turns out neither for yourself nor for people. Thanks to such efforts, GS has already become the rarest
piece of hardware to the Spectrum after the original SMUC. :(
Hello icebear
ice> If he is the copyright holder for GS, why are they lying around the network
ice> schematics/sources? It seems that no one has been dragged through the courts yet.
The fact is that the specie community is slightly different from the capitalist one,
so a lot of things rest on words...
In general, Kostya also needs to stop the “dog in the manger” policy - it’s time to clearly
formalize your wishes and make them public, otherwise the GS will suffer the fate of the Sprinter,
greed always rules!
Hello, Black_Cat
What a good reason to take up DMA USC :D
Hello, Evgeny Muchkin
Evg> Does anyone have extra money...?
Just ask Verbov (if he is the copyright holder) why he has GS
bought. And if the rights to the firmware were transferred to him, then he has the right to prohibit any
free distribution.
Hello, Evgeny Muchkin
Evg> you can do whatever you want with it
Fundamentally wrong. All rights to it belong to the copyright holder (i.e. the one to whom it
sold), and the author of the firmware retains only the right to determine authorship
(i.e. he has the right to indicate his authorship of this software everywhere
product without having the right to dispose of it).
I don't know under what conditions the rights to GS were sold. Contact the author and
Find out the conditions for distributing the firmware.
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> I don’t know under what conditions the rights to GS were sold.
What matters is the sales contract. If according to the contract, the rights to the firmware have been transferred
buyer, then he has the right to decide the terms of its distribution, and if it is before
if it was freely distributed, then it is in his power to prohibit it. Those who
received the firmware before the ban, they have the right to use it in research
purposes, but do not have the right to distribute it after the ban. It will be
be regarded as piracy.
Hello icebear
I have suspicions that Kostya has some correct thoughts regarding
General Sound. But some factor initiating activity is missing.
Hello, Black_Cat
It’s strange, why buy something that is freely distributed. I got some money
someone extra...?
Hello, Black_Cat
Firmware...? hmm... as far as I remember you can do whatever you want with it, but with
provided that the text about Stinger's copyright is preserved in it.
Correct me if wrong.
Hello, Black_Cat
How to evaluate this (beginning of the readme.txt file for the GS ROM sources)?:
-+--------------------------------------------------------
GS 1.04 ROM sources
All rights to this firmware belong to Alexander Ageev AKA Stinger.
The author permits free distribution, use and modification
of this firmware for non-commercial purposes.
When modifying this firmware, my copyrights must remain
untouchable (Offsets #100-#12F in ROM) and must be freely accessible
source texts of the modified firmware.
-+--------------------------------------------------------
Hello, Evgeny Muchkin
Evg> I don’t want to spoil my relationship with Kostya. He is the copyright holder of GS.
If he is the copyright holder for GS, why are there schematics/sources lying around the internet? Like
No one has yet been dragged to court.
Evg> I'll try to figure out just one thing - why he doesn't do GS himself, and
Evg> does not want to give production rights to others.
Evg>
Evg> It turns out neither for yourself nor for people. Thanks to such efforts, GS has already become the most
Evg> a rare piece of hardware for the Spectrum after the original SMUC. :(
Well, neither are you the first, nor are you the last. Distribute the board on other components from another
topology and call it Super GS, add “compatible with GS” and no nails.
Hello, CHRV
CHR> The fact is that the spec community is a little different from
CHR> capitalist, so a lot rests on the word...
Somehow this statement does not fit with the dissatisfaction of the copyright holder and the free
access to sources on VT. Is this all laid out for everyone to see or what?
Ahhh! I understand that Comrade Verbov wants someone to buy the rights from him
:)
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> Ask Verbov (if he is the copyright holder) why he is
Bla> GS bought.
And I'll ask ;)
Hello fan
fan> What a good reason to take up DMA USC :D
Exactly! It's high time! I would only like then to have a larger number of channels and at least
panning. Well, maybe this can be blamed on a separate Z80, like the GS? And for one thing
And attach the FM turbo sound to it so that it plays with it, and not the main CPU.
You will get a full-fledged audio subsystem.
Hello Mike
So Kostya and I met, and, I must say, very constructively
We talked.
1. His dissatisfaction (see above) was not caused by the fact that someone other than him wants
do GS; and the fact that I did not inform him beforehand, not
consulted so to speak. In general, he’s right, I won’t deny it, because
he is the copyright holder. (I'm so tired of this word ;))
We settled this little conflict instantly.
2. Kostya is only FOR! so that the new GS boards will see the light of day! Contrary to popular belief
opinion, and he does not intend to clamp down on the documentation on the board, as many people think
(to be fair, I must say, I also mistakenly thought so, but only until
today).
And we agreed on the following:
- Kostya gives me all the files for making printed circuit boards
- I order 10 pieces of boards
- I buy the entire element base, if possible, Kostya gets something
- We find a person who solders this matter to boards (perhaps this is
there will be a well-known spektrumist, I won’t name him yet, because... he's still even
doesn’t know that this will be offered to him, well, so as not to jinx it ;)).
- Kostya debugs finished boards.
- After that, I sell them (participants in the project receive a symbolic “beer allowance”
:))
The event is not designed for commercial success, but I would still like it
the costs paid off, or at worst, be burned out, but not by much. All
based on our pure enthusiasm.I can’t say anything specifically about the projected price, because... I don't know
how much will it cost me to manufacture boards, components and installation; but in any case
In this case, I will minimize the price.
Depending on the demand for the boards, this chain can be repeated.
Here.
Wish us success. :)
PS; By the way,; Kostya also has thoughts about 16 channels, ARM and others, but for now we
We decided to stick with what was created, tested and works.
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> you need to cram all the logic into 1 package
Can you do it? Theoretically, how long will it take you to do this?
Hello, Evgeny Muchkin
Evg> I can’t say anything specifically about the projected price
Because the element base remains the same, the batch is small, the price for loose powder is $
They didn’t fall very hard, but a slave. power has become very expensive, then for the end user
the price will most likely be the same ~$40 or even more. So don’t expect dumping
has to.
To reduce the selling price to at least ~$30, you need to cram all the logic into 1 package
for ~1$, find better DACs and no more expensive than ~1$, re-adjust the board, and order
batch from 50 pcs. :confused; Really?;
Hello, Evgeny Muchkin
Evg> 1. His dissatisfaction (see above) was caused not by the fact that someone, but not
Evg> he wants to do GS; but because I didn’t put it in first
Evg> fame, did not consult, so to speak. In general, he’s right, I won’t
Evg> deny, because he is the copyright holder. (I'm so tired of this word
Have you seen the transfer documents?
I am 99% sure that the agreements are all in words.
That’s why the source code with firmware is freely available on the Internet.
The only thing Kostya Verbov has is knowledge and experience in assembly and adjustment
G.S.
Hello, Evgeny Muchkin
think for yourself:
http://www.nedopc.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8481
Hello, Evgeny Muchkin
Evg> Theoretically, how much time will it take you
Why theoretically? I know how much time I will actually need -
so much that it makes no sense to take it. That's why I won't take it. If
you really need a quick result - it’s easier to ask someone who constantly
Avrami works, and has everything at hand and for whom to drive two dozen buildings
in AVR it’s not a lot of time to lose to do it casually.
new> I am sure that the agreements are all in words.
Agreements in words in this case have the same force as on paper.
Hello, The Exploited
The> http://efind.ru/icsearch/?search=tda1543
Y? It’s already more expensive than $1, that’s one thing, the I2S interface is two, which means you’ll need more
Something to add is also worth the money.
Hello, CHRV
CHR> The fact is that the spec community is a little different from
CHR> capitalist, so a lot rests on the word...
CHR> In general, Kostya also needs to stop the “dog in the manger” policy - it’s time
CHR> clearly formulate your wishes and make them public, otherwise HS
CHR> will suffer the same fate as Sprinter, greed always rules!
I agree. Only the Sprinter GS will not suffer the same fate. If the author doesn't want it
produce, and there is demand, then demand will generate supply. In Russia everything is put on
copyright. And I don’t recognize intellectual property at all.
Hello KingOfEvil
Kin> I can share the library. I can even help with finishing the scheme and
Kin> board layout.
And here is my library. It was used to install Pentagon-1024SL boards.
Use it.
File: ZXCh.rar http://zx.pk.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=3986
Hello Mike
Mik> DACs are better and not more expensive than $1??? I'll die laughing right now. I would like a car
Mik> is better than Zaporozhets, but not more than 300 rubles.
Mik> Hey author, hey, he did it!
http://efind.ru/icsearch/?search=tda1543
Hello, Evgeny Muchkin
Evg> And I would like PA1 not more expensive than 15 rubles :)
You can easily find 100 pieces or more.
We need to plow the efind, especially the buy/sell forum - there is often this rubbish there
passes.
Hello icebear
ice> Very bad. This means you don’t respect your own work, and by not respecting it,
ice> you don't respect yourself. I didn't expect it, honestly.
Let's discuss this in another topic - especially since this has already happened a hundred times.
In short, I will again begin to “take out” both capitalists and anarchists in the flames ;) .
Hello, Evgeny Muchkin
Evg> Nothing like that!! Kostya has all the documents for this case, transfer
Evg> rights to GS were more than official, and even in the presence
Evg> witnesses. So experience and knowledge in GS is far from the only thing.
Evg>
Evg> Therefore, let's not spread rumors based on
Evg> guesses. Otherwise they turned a man into some kind of greedy monster, although
Evg> everything is completely wrong!
Evg> ...
Evg>
Evg> Has anyone tried to contact him? Suggest some solutions
Evg> thoughts on GS production?
Evg> ...
Evg>
You were brainwashed in one meeting. You should at least search the forum for this
topic, has happened more than once.
http://zx.pk.ru/showthread.php?t=117
http://zx.pk.ru/showthread.php?t=1112
Well, in a bunch of other topics, both GS itself and Werbov’s policies were mentioned.
Draw your own conclusions, at least based on the cries of “I’ll buy” on this forum and the quantity
produced by GS after them. My opinion (who doesn’t like it - sorry): Mr.
Werbov was promoted, read, "rights to" GS were sold for money, and now he wants
return the money.
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> find better DACs and no more expensive than ~1$, reschedule the board, and
Bla> order a batch of 50 pcs. :confused; Really?;
DACs are better and not more expensive than $1??? :v2_lol; Schaz; I'll die laughing. I would like a car
better than Zaporozhets, but not more than 300 rubles. :v2_lol; :v2_clapp:;
Hey author, hey, he did it! :v2_lol; :v2_clapp:;
You should look at the prices of DACs in catalogs for starters, and typical switching circuits
at the same time.
50 pcs. ? And what to do with them then? Salt? Should I sell my whole life until retirement?
As usual, of all those who want to buy, the maximum that will actually buy is 20 percent.
Hello KingOfEvil
Kin> In Russia, everything is subject to copyright. But I don’t admit
Kin> intellectual property at all.
That's why you and everyone, because of people like you, live in the shit called "Russia" and don't
can, in principle, earn normal money from programming, music, etc.
:v2_mad; AND; the economy suffers from this in the first place and because of this, already in
in turn, who knows what else that directly concerns you personally. :v2_mad;
If; you don’t recognize intellectual property, which means you obviously have nothing
admit it, otherwise you would appreciate it.
Hello KingOfEvil
Kin> And I don’t recognize intellectual property at all.
Very bad. This means you don’t respect your own work, and if you don’t respect it, you don’t
respect yourself. I didn't expect it, honestly.
Hello, The Exploited
The> DACs are better and not more expensive than $1 ???
And I wish PA1 was no more expensive than 15 rubles :)
Hello new art
new> Have you seen the documents on the transfer of rights?
new> I am 99% sure that the agreements are all in words.
new> That's why the source code with firmware is freely available on the internet.
new> The only thing Kostya Verbov has is knowledge and experience in assembling and
new> GS setup.
Nothing like that!! Kostya has all the documents for this matter, transfer of rights to GS
was more than official, and even in the presence of witnesses. So experience and
GS knowledge is far from the only thing.
So let's not spread rumors based on guesswork. Otherwise
They made a man into some kind of greedy monster, although everything is completely wrong!
It seems to me that this is caused only by the laziness of people who are capable, but unwilling,
reproduce GS based on the diagrams posted online. I'm sure no one
(practically) will not make GS on ARM, etc. and won’t say that it’s easy for him
It’s a shame to do this when it’s much easier to blame everything on Kostya.
Has anyone tried to contact him? Offer some solutions, considerations
on the topic of GS production? If there were any conversations, they were completely
are devoid of any specifics, what can we talk about further in this case?
Everyone just needs to be like, come on! do it! and the price is 100 rubles and everything else!And the fact that, after all, Speccy is our hobby, although a very favorite one, no one
doesn't think; We have work, home, family, and a lot of other important things. Well it's unrealistic
hang everything on one person, as many are trying to do!!
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> Agreements in words in this case have the same force as in words
Bla> paper.
Verbal agreements can erase a certain area.
Hello, CHRV
CHR> Let's discuss this in another topic - especially since this has already been done a hundred times
CHR> was.
CHR> In short, I will again begin to “take out” both capitalists and anarchists in the flame ;)
CHR> .
Where did you see anarchists and especially capitalists here? Or you me again
you're cheating on beer :v2_wink2:
Hello, Evgeny Muchkin
Evg> 1. I have read these topics a hundred times.
Evg> 2. Did you personally listen to his “policy” from Kostya??! Therefore, there is no need
Evg> again presenting guesses as truth.
No, I haven't heard. Moreover, I don’t know him personally, and even more so, his goal is not
humiliate or denigrate. However, a crowd of sufferers has gathered here more than once, and
the cart is still there. And then you also wrote that he was against it - what do you want to think?
Evg> 3. And about the scam... return the money... uh... well, how should I put it...
Evg> I'll say... to put it mildly: this is not true.
Well then, why develop everything along the path of “I don’t give it to myself and I won’t give it to others”?
It's all strange...
Hello icebear
ice> You were brainwashed in one meeting. At least you're on the forum
ice> I joked about this topic, it happened more than once.
ice>
ice> http://zx.pk.ru/showthread.php?t=117
ice> http://zx.pk.ru/showthread.php?t=1112
ice>
ice> well, in a bunch of other topics, both GS itself and Verbov’s policy were mentioned.
ice> Draw your own conclusions, at least based on the cries of “I’ll buy” on this forum and
ice> the number of GS produced after them. My ichmo (who won’t like it
ice> - sorry): Mr. Verbov was dynamized, read "rights to" GS
ice> for money, and now he wants the money back.
1. I have read these topics a hundred times.
2. Did you personally listen to his “policy” from Kostya??! So no need to guess again
pass off as truth.
3. And about the scam... to return the money... uh... well, how should I say it... I'll say...
To put it mildly: this is not true.
Hello, CHRV
Mik> You should look at the prices of DACs in catalogs for starters, and typical diagrams
Mik> inclusions at the same time.
CHR> You can easily find from 100 pieces.
CHR> We need to plow the efind, especially the buy/sell forum - this one is often there
CHR> the trash goes through.
Mike, as always, distinguished himself by his incompetence :). Mike, no need to look for specks in
in other people's eyes, so that there is no embarrassment, look first to see if you have
log :) .
If anyone is going to make a new piece of hardware, then it makes sense to look at the MAX521 - this
8x8bit DACs with separate Vref inputs (multiplication can be done). One
The case can replace all DACs at once. Naturally, you'll have to think a little
the subject of serial input, well, this is not such a problem, especially if
I still have to put all the logic into the AVR. The device costs <$10. On a certain amount
We can find it cheaper.
As a result, you can get a fairly compact 1DAC, 1AVR, Z80, 1SRAM board,
1ROM, thereby reducing installation and configuration costs several times - and this
significant savings, not to mention PCB area.
Hello, Evgeny Muchkin
Evg> 1. I have read these topics a hundred times.
Evg> 2. Did you personally listen to his “policy” from Kostya??!
Evg> 3. And about the scam... return the money... uh... well, how should I put it...
Evg> Let me put it mildly: this is not true.
I think his policy changed slightly after a conversation with Boleg (ZhTH) ;)
Hello fan
I thought that Kostya had the wired board in electronic form, but it turned out
that he has a layout. In electronic form P-CAD (as I understand it) there is only a diagram -
it turns out that, by and large, he has nothing to dump on the people (the scheme is
It’s already there, what else do you need? :)).
If we think logically, then, in any case, even from the electronic form
a wired board is not of much use, since in order to make a finished
the device will require much more knowledge, skills and financial costs than
if you buy from those who do it the way we want to do it.
Next week we will go together to order boards, then I’m going to
buy the rarest and most expensive microcircuits (guess which ones ;))
I'll try to keep everyone updated as much as possible.
Hello, Evgeny Muchkin
Evg> he does not intend to suppress the documentation on the board
Evg> Kostya gives me all the files for making printed circuit boards
So can he convey this to the people? ;)
Hello, Evgeny Muchkin
What do you mean by layout? And will he post the diagram for P-CAD (since it is
is that so)?
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> As a result, you can get a fairly compact board 1DAC, 1AVR, Z80,
Bla> 1SRAM, 1ROM, thereby reducing installation costs several times
Bla> setting - and this is a significant saving, not to mention space
Bla> printed circuit board.
I wonder how many hundreds of megahertz the AVR will need to keep up with the Z80
12 MHz and along the way I managed to emulate all the logic (if I also have enough paws). At least
I'd like to think about it a little. And I also doubt that anyone will come to sculpt something like this
on a microcontroller (well, of course, except for you). I can still suggest refusing
from a DAC and use USB and a mobile phone for audio, right now in the cheapest way
enough for your needs.
I can’t imagine how one person can contain so much optimism.
Hello hero
her> I wonder how many hundreds of megahertz the AVR will need to keep up with
her> for Z80 12MHz
So, what's the problem? The light did not converge on them like a wedge. If you say no
will pull - that’s probably true. The task is to fit everything into one body, and adequate
a solution can be found in any way - this is not a problem to get hung up on
Avrah and even drag in mobile phones :) .
I can’t imagine how one person can contain so much pessimism.
:confused; Not; Did he get up on the wrong foot, or did the stars rise up wrong?
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> This is unlikely, because... firstly, the rise in price will be geometric
Bla> (i.e. GS 16 bit x4 will already cost ~200$) - this is of no use to anyone
Bla> is necessary. Not to mention the Z80, which is needed at 24MHz, but there is no such thing. This
Bla> is a very small change and quite justified. I'm glad you have them
Bla> you read, but it’s more useful to read the original :) . By the way, in the "original" and
Bla> is written about methods of standardization and development of designs. So what
Bla> I advise you to read before you start doing anything, so as not to
Bla> turned out to be "So much effort in a landfill..." :)
It won't. And a Z80 at 24Mhz is not needed, only a DMA controller.
Bla> I'm glad you're reading them, but it's more useful to read the original
In fact, I don’t read anymore. Alas, nothing new, tired.
Hello Mike
Mik> if you make a new sound, then you need 8-bit converters
Mik> refuse.
This is unlikely, because... firstly, the increase in price will be geometric (i.e. GS 16
bit x4 will already cost ~200$) - no one needs this. Not to mention the Z80,
which is needed at 24MHz, but there is no such thing.
Mik> you will have to fence in a whole garden.
This is a very small change and completely justified.
Mik> I’d rather read posts about my “concepts”
I'm glad you're reading them, but it's more useful to read the original :) . By the way, in
"original" and about methods of standardization and development of designs is written. So what?
I advise you to read before you start doing anything, so that it doesn’t turn out
"So much effort down the drain..." :)
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> Mike, so as not to get into a funny situation by digging a hole for someone and
Bla> having fallen into it yourself, it is better to direct your efforts to something
Bla> constructive :) .
You’d better read posts about your “concepts”, it’s so cool that no one here has yet
was different. So much effort in a landfill... :v2_thumb;
Bla>; If anyone is going to make a new piece of hardware, then it makes sense to look
Bla> MAX521 - these are 8x8bit DACs with separate Vref inputs (possible
Bla> do multiplication). One housing can replace all DACs at once.
Bla> Naturally, you will have to think a little about the consistency
Bla> input, well, this is not such a problem, especially if all the same
Bla> drive the logic into the AVR. The device costs <$10. On a certain number we can
Bla> and cheaper to find.
Bla> As a result, you can get a fairly compact board 1DAC, 1AVR, Z80,
Bla> 1SRAM, 1ROM, thereby reducing installation costs several times
Bla> setting - and this is a significant saving, not to mention space
Bla> printed circuit board.
1. Who said that these DACs will be better? Did you hear them?2. The original GS does not have the ability to connect via I2S, i.e. will have to fence
a whole garden. And if you make a new sound, then you need to use 8-bit converters
refuse.
Hello Mike
Mik> If you do not recognize intellectual property, then you
Mik> apparently there is nothing to admit, otherwise you would appreciate it.
I do not recognize COPYRIGHTS on intellectual property. Those. I'm not
I classify my developments (that is, I make them completely open), and I expect that
from others.
Hello Mike
CHR> I'm putting this topic on flame.
That's right!
And theft is theft.
Hello, Mikka_A
Mik> I can even guess who will do this.....
Don't tell anyone :D
Hello, scl^mc
Finally! Yesterday I received 12 boards for General Sound. Unfortunately, in the forehead
cheaper, I had to give up the green protective mask, but I think it’s not
problem.
Now we will collect the products :)
Hello, Evgeny Muchkin
Evg> Now we will assemble the products :)
I can even guess who will do it..... :v2_biggr:
Hello Mike
Mik> I think that if you do GS, then as it is and not otherwise, without
Mik> any improvements. And if they are engaged in bells and whistles, then do it already
Mik> is a much more powerful solution in everything. By the way, how difficult is SID
Mik> screw to the spec? Or 2-4 seeds? :)
At one time I was running quite a bit when the LED barked.
It's impossible to find them.
Especially in such quantities.
And there are no analogues.
Hello, Evgeny Muchkin
But, in fact, this is what the coveted boards for GS look like, which I’ve been looking for for so long
waited...
By the way, the pitch of the new boards is 2.54 - we keep up with the times. :)
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Hello, Evgeny Muchkin
Evg> But, in fact, this is what the coveted boards for GS look like, which I
Evg> I've been waiting for so long...
Evg>
Evg> By the way, the pitch of the new boards is 2.54 - we keep up with the times. :)
Is it possible to order a GS scarf? Maybe even empty.
Hello KingOfEvil
Everything will be possible, but let's not rush, let's wait for the moment when they
will be collected and debugged. Otherwise it turns out that we are ordering the skin of something that has not yet been killed.
bear... ;)
PS; Empty; boards will not be sold!
Hello, Evgeny Muchkin
in which picade canoe?
memory should be immediately screwed to it to the maximum...
Hello Orionsoft
Ori> memory should be immediately screwed to it to the maximum...
Maybe next time. Now the boards are of the original type.
Hello Vitron
Vit> I also want to order a GS board!
Vit>
Vit> approximately when will the tests be completed?
There are no specific dates yet.
but not for at least a couple of weeks.
Hello, Mikka_A
Mik> there are no specific dates yet.
Mik> but not earlier than in a couple of weeks.
:v2_yahoo; :v2_yahoo:; :v2_yahoo; :v2_yahoo:; :v2_yahoo; :v2_yahoo:;
Hooray!!!!!
There is a prototype working sample!!!!
Fully working and configured.
It started the first time.
:v2_yahoo; :v2_yahoo:; :v2_yahoo; :v2_yahoo:; :v2_yahoo; :v2_yahoo:;
so we will release the remaining 10 boards soon.
orders accepted.... :v2_wink2; :v2_tong:; :v2_tong; :v2_tong:;