hardware for Spectrum

MSGID: 500:812/04.01 26f7dad3 ░▒▓▌Hello, All!▐▓▒░ This letter is addressed both to iron workers and to all to other spektrumists: A situation arose when the Spectrum hardware upgrade becomes necessary for its further development (firstly This also applies to graphics capabilities). For now moment there are a lot of schemes available, significant possibilities Spectrum expanding ones, but there are a number of problems that hinder the implementation of these devices, and which are necessary discuss: 1. Lack of an organized group producing new devices for Spectrum. 2. Disproportionate cost of existing devices Consequently, we are faced with the impossibility of mass implementation of any device due to the fact that if it is in sale, then most users cannot buy it, but if it is developed, then iron workers can assemble it only in single-knee version, since neither equipment nor They do not have the capacity for mass production. There is a certain category of people shouting, “What’s the point in doing device if no one writes software for it!!!" - of course, under No one will write anything about a piece of hardware in two copies!!! although one cannot help but admit that the majority of Spectrum -compatible machines have brains from 256k and above for a long time, and software it doesn't use anything (???) :-(I hope there are still people who care about development Spectrum is not really concerned about the commercial side of the issue, because practice shows that on Speck commerce is impossible for Spectrum itself is killer! I would like to hear a response to this letter and it would be desirable that If only it weren't a bunch of lines and phrases, like in ZXnet accepted, but a living human opinion or solution options problems. ─ ── ───═══════─── ── ─

Hello Kirill! 19-09-00, at 06:48:52 hours, wrote Kirill Frolov to Anton Chaos on the topic "hardware for the Spectrum" [skip] KF> This has been discussed here since 1997, but we haven’t reached a consensus yet I know how much and what is being discussed! AC>> 1. Lack of an organized group producing new devices AC>> for Spectrum. KF> This is not beneficial to anyone. Not profitable, unfortunately... AC>> 2. Disproportionate cost of existing devices KF> It is quite commensurate with the costs, otherwise no one would be doing this. It is disproportionate _for the user_, in terms of the ratio possibilities/cost!!! [skip] KF> You don’t need more to write software. Think for yourself how many people KF> does such software usually write? And I say - alone. So the bottom is enough KF> piece of iron. So it turns out - a perversion for everyone!!! We need it en masse think! AC>> - compatible machines have brains from 256k and above for a long time, and software AC>> does not use this in any way (???) :-( KF> But they cannot be used in any way, we can really assume that KF> Spectrum only has 64kb of memory. All jarred extra memory KF> them here and there, and then the disk eppop and killed everything. I cast the revision KF> I threw it into the echo, so solder it for yourself. I may be soldering, but what's the point? There is no software... AC>> I hope that there are still people who care about development AC>> Spectrum is not really concerned about the commercial side of the issue, because KF> This is only if there is a phase shift. _Not really_ this means a real assessment of your products! But AY for 200 rubles (I won’t say where) - here it is Indeed, a complete phase shift!!! AC>> practice shows that on Speck commerce is impossible even for AC>> Spectrum itself is deadly! KF> Yes, it’s not deadly, rather, not even turnover, without commerce KF> and there would be no Scorpio and all sorts of photos Yes? How many of us use SMUC or GS or GMX???? Here you go and commerce - they set the price beyond the limit and are sitting on a pile of boards, which no one can buy! [skip] KF> What kind of problem is this? There is no problem. There is spethrum, here it is KF> stands on the floor, but what else can you take from it? Something to solder to it KF> this is simply unrealistic, there is no way to develop monsters KF> knowledge, no strength, no desire. Plus there is such a moment that every thing costs KF> money, the Spectum will cost more than a pisyuk, because it’s a piece assembly, and KF> not Chinese consumer goods. You wrote something there about commerce, well, that’s you KF> I’m not ready to pay myself... This is the trouble... “no strength, no desire”... KF> Plus I want to say that you don’t understand a damn thing about hardware, this is nonsense Guys, you shouldn't shout in vain... they'll laugh... I have been working with iron my entire adult life... (albeit somewhat different from the Spectrum - but sometimes that too) KF> wrote - graphical capabilities cannot be added to him in any way, he KF> it’s just that a larger screen will not be able to update quickly enough. In test mode - already... About _graphics_ specifically, no details went into it - it’s just a major drawback. KF> He needs 10 times more megahertz and megabytes. well, throw it out there KF> it's time for the trash heap, they don't even put him in the aon anymore. What are you daydreaming about! :-\n KF> And no one will answer your letter with anything smart, even I’m talking nonsense here KF> I’m writing, so forget it all, there won’t be any upgrade for the Spectrum. I... feel that they won’t answer, but I don’t want to score with something I really like the Spectrum, more than the PC... (what?) ──────═════════──────

*** Answering a msg posted in area X.BAD (Glitches live here). Press RESET immediately, Anton! 22 Sep 00 01:44, Anton Chaos wrote to Kirill Frolov: KF>> This has been discussed here since 1997, so there is no consensus KF>> arrived AC> I know how much and what is being discussed! Well, what conclusions did you come to? AC>>> 2. Disproportionate cost of existing devices KF>> It is quite commensurate with the costs, otherwise no one would do it KF>> was studying. AC> It is disproportionate _for the user_, in terms of ratio AC> capabilities/cost!!! Hmm... Everything is proportionate. After all, you are buying a piece of Spectrum, and not a Chinese counterfeit IBM-PC. KF>> You don’t need more to write software. Think for yourself how much KF>> do people usually write such software? And I say - alone. So KF>> enough and the bottom is iron. AC> So it turns out - a perversion for everyone!!! We need it en masse AC> think! Massively it costs money, which massively needs to be paid for incomprehensibly which is 20 years out of date. And then there’s no money, there’s fidonet, there’s no internet, there’s no money... AC>>> -compatible machines have brains from 256k and above for a long time, and software AC>>> does not use this in any way (???) :-( KF>> But they cannot be used in any way, you can really count them KF>> that the Spectrum has only 64kb of memory. All 'jar KF>> extra memory went there and there, and then the disk eppop and everything was killed. I KF>> I threw the modification into the echo, so solder it for yourself. AC> Maybe I'm soldering, but what's the point? There is no software... Do you understand that there is a vicious circle here - there is no software until people solder them and does not solder until there is software. The circle must be broken one day. For example, I soldered Most of the improvements were made when there was no software for them yet, but then it appeared software KF>> This is only if the shift is in phase. AC> _Not really_ this means a real assessment of your products! AC> But AY for 200 rubles (I won’t say where) - here it is AC> indeed, a complete phase shift!!! In Scorpio, am I right? This is not a shift, this is its market price. Antiques have always been expensive. KF>> Yes, nothing is deadly, most likely even non-reverse, without KF>> there would be no commerce and Scorpio and all sorts of photos AC> Yes? How many of us use SMUC or GS or GMX???? There are few GMXs, but there are a huge number of SMUCs. There are quite a few GS's too. AC> So much for commerce - they set the price beyond the limit and are sitting on a heap AC> boards that no one can buy! Should we sell them for free? You understand that she stands on her own, without any markups, it’s also quite a lot. Or rather, it doesn’t cost that much, It’s just that people don’t have money. KF>> here he is standing on the floor, but what else can he take from him? There's something about it KF>> it’s simply unrealistic to solder it, do development KF>> monsters have neither knowledge, nor strength, nor desire. Plus such a moment AC> This is the trouble... "no strength, no desire"... It will take professionals 2 man-years of work to develop the monster, it takes ten man-years to fine-tune the software. An example is a sprinter. KF>> wrote - graphical capabilities cannot be added to it in any way KF>> it’s just that a larger screen will not be able to update KF>> fast enough. AC> In test mode - already... No details about _graphics_ AC> went into detail - this is simply the main drawback.On IBM PC I use text mode on average 90% of the time. And 80x25 (a little wider in golded) is quite enough for me. KF>> He needs 10 times more megahertz and megabytes. well, the percentage is there KF>> it's time to throw it in the trash, they don't even put it in aon anymore. AC> You're daydreaming! :- This is not me dreaming, these are real requirements for today's computers. And the Spectrum should be cheap, it cannot compete in the class of expensive cars can. In short, there is no chance, as it was caused by the brake, it will remain so... AC> I... feel that they won’t answer, but I don’t want to score, And you first decided what you generally want from the spectrum. If it's megabytes and megahertz then it won't work. And in the world of PCs the score is already moves to gigabytes with gigahertz... AC> something AC> I really like the Spectrum, more than the PC... (what?) Demo machine, nothing more.