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Hello, All
Who is interested in a Z80 controller with low consumption and high stability?
work to manage something. Write here - I will answer constructive ones
questions.
Hello, ZСontrol
or maybe just a diagram, with the author’s description of innovations and creativity?!
like publication in a radio magazine for example...
otherwise the topic is very interesting!
Hello, ZСontrol
Either read or write)
Maybe you can just tell me what you're talking about?
Hello, ZСontrol
Zon> Who is interested in the Z80 controller with low consumption and high
Zon> stability of operation for managing anything. Write here - I will answer
Zon> to constructive questions.
We are very interested in the possibilities. We wrote about fees with minimum
dimensions [http://zx.pk.ru/showthread.php?t=3054] and tried to buy it
[http://zx.pk.ru/showthread.php?p=49449#post49449]. Please tell me
Learn more about the capabilities of this controller.
Here. I see the first post has been updated, now there are a little less questions :) Is it possible
order this device by mail? We would probably buy it.
Hello, ZСontrol
Zon> I’ll post it for everyone, you just need to figure out where.
we've been waiting for this for so long!!!...so post it right here (in this topic)
and then everything will be distributed to its branches!
well, email spensor^y and me...
Hello spensor
I fully support the previous speaker! :v2_yahoo:
Hello, ZСontrol
Zon> For Scorpion fans, I want to say that there are still Altera firmwares available
Zon> SMUC and ProfPZU.
Did I understand you correctly - are there sources of FPGA firmware for these devices??? If
yes, then please share!!!
Hello RamTop
I added information regarding ZControl in the first message. I'm waiting for more comments
and questions. For Scorpion fans, I want to say that there are still Altera firmwares under
SMUC and ProfPZU.
To RamTop; Eat; bare board of the first edition (the one in the photo) with flashed ROM
and shipping will cost 600 rubles. It is planned to produce new boards with better
quality and cheaper (there will be many of them). If the price doesn't scare you, I'll send it. I can send
PCB file of the board in Accel EDA format, but making it yourself is probably a problem
:frown; .;
To Spensor & Orionsoft: Not sources, but copied firmware (bin files
for Altera firmware). I’ll post it for everyone, you just need to figure out where.
I'll throw it in! :confused; Wait; I’ll figure out how to put them here - I need to
everyone could download.
Hello Orionsoft
Zon> I'm posting the Altera firmware for ProfPzu for SMUC a little later - I can't
Zon> find
Well, as usual :) - in the most interesting place :)! There is just no need for it.
PS; Please; sorry for the off topic.
Hello, ZСontrol
Zon> By the way, regarding the new mother for Spectrum, my opinion is this: it is necessary
Zon> make Scorp on a new element base with SMUC integrated into the board
Zon> (vital thing
Oops, we are starting to separate platforms again: ATM-like with a controller
Nemo and Scorpion are similar with SMUC controller. Comrades, iron workers, at least you
decide on the standards. Creating a piece of hardware is half the battle, but supporting it
software is the most important task. Otherwise, the surviving programmers under spec
they will forget about all this. Once again a war of standards is looming. :(
Hello Mick
Mic> Creating hardware is half the battle, but supporting it with software is
Mic> the most important task
I didn’t write to redraw the Scorpion ports, but to use a new element
base. For example: instead of a scattering of DRAM we put one SRAM case, instead of a heap
logic packages we take PLM in a package convenient for independent soldering and
we get a standard Scorpio with SMUC and KM on one board, plus of course the board
good workmanship.
Hello hero
her> The pedigree of the firmware files is interesting.
Yeah, especially the fact why under MAX7032 and MAX7064. Inject yourself, Mr. ZControl,
where did you get it?
Hello hero
2 ZСontrol; Progressive; ideas are spinning in "HDL HardWare"
http://zx.pk.ru/forumdisplay.php?f=37. I recommend checking it out! Ask for the key
icebear!
Hello, ZСontrol
The pedigree of the firmware files is interesting.
Hello, ZСontrol
Zon> But we managed to communicate with the electronics engineer during the verification process
Zon> purchased devices, and when asked to make a backup copy of the software
Zon> UniPro on a floppy disk, he suggested downloading the Altera firmware at the same time
Interesting development of the situation! I understand that the conversation is going a little in the wrong direction.
which the author planned, but I would like to ask - what about the GMX and
Turbo? The topic of resuscitation of these devices has been repeatedly discussed on the forum!
Hello spensor
Personally, my attitude towards GMX is this - it’s no longer Spectrum. The device is completely raw,
few were sold and many returned to the company in exchange for spent
money. This, as I know, is the practice of sales and production of Scorpion
stopped. My friend got it, spat and I empathized with him - they say
what a waste of money. He received the money back, but his payment
distorted and then cursed at GMX for a long time. Regarding Turbo firmware,
unfortunately no...
Hello icebear
This was back in 2001. month of March...
I went to St. Petersburg for work (for a UNIPRO programmer and CPU Z84C0010PEC + for
SMUC controller for a friend) to the company "Scorpio". Of course Sergei
I wanted to see Zonov live, but it didn’t work out. Had a brief chat with Andrey
Larchenko because he was no longer interested in Scorpion's problems and answered mine
questions out of politeness. But I managed to communicate with the electronics engineer during the process
checking purchased devices, and when asked to make a backup copy of the software
UniPro, he suggested downloading the Altera firmware onto a floppy disk at the same time. Spectrum
is bent commercially, and demands and requests for repairs are already in
They sit on their livers, they say, now we don’t need it - use it! Since then I haven't
I remembered those files until yesterday.
How much work, soul, and expectations were invested in these developments and now comes
the day when values change :o(
Of course, I will be glad if someone resurrects Scorpion and SMUC on the same board
good performance.
I immediately suggest a survey:
Who would agree to buy such a board assembled and for how much?
Suddenly, one of the electronics engineers will perk up - now all the cards are in hand.
Yes, I’ll post it at the same time
1. Scorpion ROM firmware and
2. ROM test for Scorpion
The source is the same.
File: Sc27512.rar http://zx.pk.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=3301
File: testsc.rar http://zx.pk.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=3302
Hello spensor
Zon> This, as I know, is the practice of sales and production of Scorpion
Zon> stopped.
For those who don't know, GMX was supposed to be the basis of Scorpion2000!
Hello, ZСontrol
Zon> The device is completely raw, few were sold and many returned to
Zon> company in exchange for money spent.
Well, the fact that the thing does not correspond to the price is probably YES. But GMX nevertheless
not without interest - there are interesting features: video mode, Flash, memory banks on SIMM
(and not on RUshki). The connection principle is also interesting, but it’s fraught
only the difficulty of setting it up. Nevertheless, the “toy” deserves attention and
respect - those who managed to connect and who learned to use it do not regret
this.
And as for new clones, really take a look at HDL Hardware!
Hello, ZСontrol
It’s not clear what the topic is about, it seems they started with the controller
but the messages are only about Scorpio.
It would be interesting to see how your controller differs from the one on the Z80 :-)
For example, I want to adapt my old AOH at the dacha to control three
lighting pumps and possibly a heating boiler
I'm struggling now to attach a serial port to it so that through the computer
control it remotely
monitor shas while I write
What is that second centipede? bb55?
I was pretty excited to reinvent the wheel, but I can’t buy something like this ready-made
nowhere
In general, I would like to know more about what you have
Hello, POIND
POI> for example, I want to adapt my old AOH at the dacha for control
POI> three pumps with lighting and possibly a heating boiler
POI> I'm struggling, I'm sticking a serial port to it so that it can be used through the computer
POI> control it remotely
Didn’t you look in the direction of any MKs? It will be more powerful than any AOH on the Z80.
Hello, POIND
Yes, the second centipede BB55
I am attaching an image of the elements on the board
File: board.gif http://zx.pk.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=3303
Hello, ZСontrol
Zon> I immediately suggest a survey:
Zon> Who would agree to buy such a board assembled and for how much?
Zon> Suddenly one of the electronics engineers perks up - now all the cards are in hand.
I think I won’t be mistaken if I say that a sophisticated board with a combined
Spectrum architecture (Pentagon, Scorpion, ATM, Profi) in Leningrad dimensions
(or less:) ) almost everyone present on the forum will tear off their hands. About the price
It’s hard to say, but you can definitely count on $50, and higher in terms of “deliciousness”
product!
Hello, POIND
POI> watch then watched :-) licks alone, you need to master them on
POI> that there is no time and Z and VM80 are the only percentage for which I am
POI> somehow the couple coded and incorrectly self-taught right in MONS
POI> (the disassembler was special) the command codes were typed into the programs
POI> written on pieces of paper :-)
Come on, if you have experience with the Z80, you can also learn any other system.
Moreover, studying and applying MK will save you time and real money. And if so
If you want to work with Zilog, then look towards Z8, there are also flash versions there.
Here the only remaining question is accessibility and money, but I think AVRs are already everywhere
are available to the world and cost from $2. There are people here who understand MK and I
I'm sure they will help you in your study. And the Z80 is an archaism, albeit a native one :)
PS: Although it seems like Zilog has decided to release a new controller with an ARM9 core.
Hello icebear
ice> Didn't you look in the direction of any MKs? It will be more powerful than any AOH on the Z80.
watch then watched :-) licks alone, you need to study, you need to master what time
no, but Z and VM80 are the only percentage for which I have ever coded a couple and
incorrectly self-taught directly into MONS (the disassembler was like this for spec) command codes
filled out programs written on pieces of paper :-)
This is what I do in my free time at the PC in Emul
I’m writing for now (or rather, I’m gluing together from different pieces) a monitor of a couple of the rk type for
this caller so that the terminal connects to the PC, loads it into it and executes
Editing as soon as I find it or just use the V55 ports for now
Hello, ZСontrol
Zon> Poll of temperature sensors in the heating and water supply system
Zon> switching on - switching off heating and pumps, polling sensors
Zon> alarms, etc. how many MHz is needed to solve these problems on
Zon> BASIC?
So tell me, what do you need for this? Or the Z80 can "directly"
talk to pumps and stuff?
Hello icebear
ice> You can argue, but I don’t think it’s necessary. Love is of course good, but
ice> brains also need to be used. :)
Guys, don't initiate a showdown..
Moreover, comparing 8-bit with 16/32/64bit is somehow stupid :) They are just different! U
Each platform has its own tasks, one thing for business and another for the soul :).
Hello icebear
[QUOTE=icebear]Come on, if you have experience with the Z80, any other system
can also be studied. Moreover, the study and application of MK will save you time and
real money. And if you really want to work with Zilog, then look towards the Z8,
There are also flash versions. And the Z80 is an archaism, albeit native :) [QUOTE]
Or look towards the z180 - 8-bit controller. Moreover, it is compatible
teams from bottom to top. Americans still use it and don’t worry about it. True
it costs about 10 of their rubles.
Hello spensor
spe> It’s difficult to talk about the price, but you can definitely count on $50
1400 rub. Conclusion - the future of the Spectrum is in emulators and used hardware.
Hello icebear
I’m also going to implement what POIND is going to do at my dacha with
using ZControl. Industrial temperature mode (-40 +85C) is suitable,
consumption 30mA at a frequency of 4.183MHz and less than 20mA at a frequency of 1.03MHz too
good. Interrogation of temperature sensors in the heating and water supply systems,
turning on - turning off heating and pumps, polling alarm sensors, etc.
How many MHz do you need to solve these problems in BASIC? But not in ZControl
built-in BASIC, procedures written in assembler will work there.
The question is - will the z80 cope with the task? If not, then neither do I.
there will be enough money to buy so many sensors and pumps.
Hello icebear
ice> Love is, of course, good, but you also need to use your brain
You can't use brains for love :o(
People are unable to comprehend their passion and “turn on their brains” even if their best friend
says that in the next entrance there lives a girl more beautiful than your Lenka and if anything I
I'll introduce you to her. More beautiful from a friend’s point of view, but I’m not my friend either
this is z80 RULEZ!
Hello icebear
What is the dispute about?
Hello Mick
OK regarding the MCU, in particular I was licking my lips about
eZ80F91 Development Kit
http://www.zilog.com/docs/ez80acclaim/devtools/um0142.pdf
only three hundred bukazoids for the possibility of limitless creation within
incommensurable with Aon :-) on z80 capabilities :-)
I didn’t dare to purchase and will only deal with this seemingly ready-made device
due to the incomprehensibility of how to program this thing :-)
plus there doesn’t seem to be any smell of assembler as a development environment
only C
Maybe someone has poked around and has more information on this topic, I would like to know
Should I buy this piece of hardware in the hope that it will be the same?
just program it like the same AOH on the Z80 and of course get
The port will be at your disposal, which makes it possible not to keep it constantly
turned on at the dacha
limitations in knowledge and time force you to work with what you know
and what needs less time
if it were possible it would be painless to switch to eZ80F91 by creating code for it
using your favorite spec :-)
Hello, ZСontrol
Zon> but I’m not my friend and that’s why - z80 RULEZ!
Yes, no one argues that the Z80 rules. They argue that the Z80 is a panacea :), so
more so against the backdrop of modern MKs, and even in the area in which the comrade works
POIND.
Hello, ZСontrol
Zon> z80 is a steering wheel, like any other hardware, it is assessed by quantity
Zon> software. The IBM PC sucks, but the software and circulation turned it into a standard.
You can argue, but I don’t think it’s necessary. Love is good, of course, but so are brains.
must be applied. :)
Hello, ZСontrol
"What's the argument about?"
Yes, ZControl sells its junk :)
Hello icebear
ice> And the Z80 is an archaism, albeit native
The z80 is a steering wheel, like any other hardware, it is judged by the amount of software. IBM PC
sucks, but the software and circulation turned it into a standard.
Hello, POIND
POI> limitations in knowledge and time force you to work with what you know
POI> and what needs less time
POI> if it were possible to switch to eZ80F91 painlessly by doing it for him
POI> code using your favorite spec :-)
Aziz, the trick is that now all manufacturers are using SI and some kind of environment
(like some small axis). This is kind of good form now among manufacturers.
Of course, you can use assembler, but to be honest, I have no idea how
very different (Ronin understands, should be on topic).
Hello, ZСontrol
So there is the 51st.... Then, I'll see what's with it...
And where are the ROM-RAM ports located????
Hello ASDT
ASD> "What's so aggressive? And what's shameful about it"
ASD> I think I added a smiley face everywhere... like this - :)
ASD> However, ZСontrol is either inadequate or... :)
ASD>
ASD> "with a hyperterminal so as not to touch the LPT on the PC"
ASD> And that's what I do. :)
ASD>
ASD> "there is something to help"
ASD> There is a program for 8080, a type of monitor...
ASD> Softcom, 9600, commands 2-3 characters,
ASD> allows you to download programs from the PC, something else...
ASD> I forgot already :) Doesn't use RAM.
ASD> Only it needs to be recalculated for Z80...
ASD> I'll do it, but not so soon...
Oh, that’s interesting, I’m a little tired with 8251, what kind of program can you do?
toss? I'll see if it will be easier to use, if it works I'll return it to you
converted to Z
thanks in advance :-)
Hello, ZСontrol
In short, if the percentage It works at 3.5 MHz, then I need a software one :)
If not, don’t care, I’m looking with BB51...
Yes, but in what form? Is there an asm for 8080?
Hello ASDT
ASD> In short, if the percentage. works at 3.5 MHz, then I need a software one :)
ASD> If not, don’t care, I’m looking with BB51...
ASD> Yes, but in what form? Is there an asm for 8080?
I probably misunderstood you
it seemed to me that you were saying that you have a code for 8080 soft com
so I asked you for it
in any form, even a listing of ACM, or machine code, it’s all the same
asm for 8080 I have emul RK86 there I have asm and disasm 8080
no, not a problem, I don’t think that this code you have is wildly huge
Hello ASDT
ASD> So there is the 51st.... Then, I'll see what's with it...
ASD> And where are the ROM-RAM ports located????
no, I have a 51st because I attached it and the ROM-RAM ports are there like in Aon
I mean, I just took the ready-made aon as a base and began to sculpt what would work
Zcontrol 51 has not been connected, he wants to torment him even more, or theoretically, judging by
you can make a software com from his diagram too
In general, I think his design is very elegant :-)
I also want to look at your software com, maybe I’ll throw out the 51st
but if there are IO procedures for Zta or 8080 for 51 then also give them all
yes.
port map, RAM and ROM are not important, everything can be adjusted.
:-)
Hello, ZСontrol
The program is on floppy disks, and there are >50 of them :)
If necessary, I will speed up the disassembly...
Hello ASDT
On the 8080 there are rarely problems with ports, etc. ports directly to address
poke space. And Intel came up with access to ports like this (and ours
copied :) ) crap to put it mildly.
Hello, ZСontrol
"minimum timer still."
I have 1 counter :)
Hello, ZСontrol
2POIND
Did you tweak the firmware? I haven't turned on my controller yet... maybe
already dead...
Hello hero
Can anyone tell me if there is any spec that had 8251 connected and
Moreover, the emulator for this spec is so that it can talk to someone like that
your 8251?
It would be very convenient to debug everything
Hello, POIND
POI> can anyone tell me if there is any spec that had 8251
It’s like being put in the pros
Hello, POIND
POI> can anyone tell me if there is any spec that had 8251
pro, but I soldered exactly the same homemade circuit (there is support in Melon). but
It's bullshit - the speed is 9600 max, it's not compatible with hassles on ports.[/QUOTE]
POI> moreover, an emulator for this spec so that you can talk to someone like this
POI> what about your 8251?
no. but in unril there is modem support - I don’t remember there is only a comport on
the real modem is projected or the entire modem is simulated... most likely the former.
Why all this anyway? for 8251 you need at least a timer. here's Caro's
multicards was not a difficult project - a comport for a spec on an attiny/avr classic?
try it
Hello ASDT
Easier like Caro on attiny2313+max232... minimum strapping, 100% compatible with
PC. Checked, and I also posted documents on working with this scheme ;)
Hello, ZСontrol
"Did you make it yourself?" Yep :)
"Isn't there a timer?" I have GF24 and ie5 - they want 14 MHz at 90
“give me the diagram plz” Eh... I need a scanner, but it takes time to draw :)
Yes, I think I said all the addresses....
It costs ID7 (it seems) to 3 higher addresses - 0 - ROM, 1 - RAM, 6 - BB51 (a8-co/D)
Yes, more. Loading the program in text form, if I remember...
That is A0 space A7 space ... end of line,
ends with CTRL-C....
Hello ASDT
ASD> 2POIND
ASD> Did you update the firmware? I haven't turned on my controller yet... maybe
ASD> has already died...
I tried the firmware, which seems to be almost the same as mine :-) did you make it yourself?
there is no need for a timer if the speed is fixed at 9600 or even 2400 for
control or load microscopic blocks of the eye
By the way, I think you also don’t have a timer in the controller?
give me the schematic plz
Hello, ZСontrol
"Did you connect it to the PC?" So...
A difference of 1.3% is quite acceptable.
Hello ASDT
ASD> "Did you make it yourself?" Yeah :)
ASD> "don't have a timer?" I have GF24 and IE5 - they want 14 MHz at 90
ASD> "give me the diagram plz" Eh... you need a scanner, but it takes time to draw :)
ASD> Yes, I think I said all the addresses....
ASD> There is ID7 (it seems) for 3 senior addresses - 0 - ROM, 1 - RAM, 6 - BB51
ASD> (a8-co/D)
ASD>
ASD> Yes, more. Loading the program in text form, if I haven't forgotten...
ASD> That is. A0 space A7 space ... end of line
ASD> ends with CTRL-C ....
How so? if you have 9600 baud then in 16x mode you need 153.6 kHz, and 14 at 90
It turns out 155.56 KHz, why did it work normally and not glitch?
did you connect it to the PC?