"Correct" spec
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Hello ASDT
"Please generate your new ideas"
No need to generate ideas!!! Need an opinion!
For example, maybe someone considers color important...
Should we delete our last messages?
Hello ASDT
2Black_Cat
I asked..., personal opinion - what is “not speck” and why!
And I also ask you not to discuss/condemn other people’s opinions...
Hello, All
I would like to collect personal opinions on this topic.
on the issue of distinguishing between a “spec clone” and
"Spec-compatible" computer.
Those. not “how I see the spec”, but what
You can name the signs of “non-sintering”
significant, and why.
For example:
Microdrive is a “non-spec” development, because
historically has not received recognition, but here
did not receive any distribution.
Just personal opinions...
Hello ASDT
ASD> distinguishing between "spec clone" and
ASD> "Spec-compatible" computer.
I think these are synonyms :), i.e. one and the same.
ASD> Microdrive "non-spec" development
This is a peripheral device - a purely external device, for a specific platform with rare
not relevant to exceptions.
ASD> and has not received any distribution here.
But this is already an essential sign. For example, other (i.e. not TR-DOS) disk
systems for Spec are not widespread among us, and therefore do not belong to
xUSSR ZX platform, but at the same time relate to other west ZX platforms. At the same time
it is necessary to keep in mind that it is not the disk controller itself that belongs to the platform, but
information storage system.
Hello ASDT
ASD> I asked..., personal opinion - what is “not speck” and why!
ASD> And I also ask you not to discuss/condemn other people's opinions...
Okay, you just didn't formulate it clearly. In this situation it is more correct
say: “Please generate your own thoughts, and not discuss those already expressed.”
And secondly, the definition of “correct” can only be applied to homogeneous
to many. In this case, to computers xUSSR ZX platform. In this situation
“incorrectness” will mean a deviation from a given platform that does not output
completely a computer from its composition. Otherwise it will be something else
platform and it will already have its own “correctness”.
Hello ASDT
In this case, "spec clone" is personal
for everyone the concept of the “correct” spec.
And the concept of a “Spec-compatible” computer includes
everything that can be associated with spec...
Hello ASDT
A computer that won’t be able to run toys and programs is not a Speck for me.
intended for speck. What could it be? crooked memory port layout,
for example, someone suggested for port 254 its 7th bit seems to be a memory expander
hang (or, more interestingly, on #1f). those. it could be done wrong
standard device - which will occupy the standard ports for the ZX, which
are critical. Or, for example, the screen location is not with #4000 but with #8000.
Those. external (ports) and internal (memory) addresses must be compatible in this way
in such a way that it is impossible to send the speck to deep using the standard IN A,(#FE)
out due to the fact that the keyboard and memory ports are not hanging there.
Not a speck for me, a computer that cannot directly execute the Z80 code and only
emulates its operation due to the redundancy of its own resources. Not speck for
I'm the one that can't be set to standard for the ZX
"128/48kmemory 1screen6912bytes, etc." configuration, let it also have
at least some graphics and sound accelerator.
And now closer to practice - if the game cannot run on this computer
Golden Ax, Copy-86/M copier and (if TR-DOS is available) iS-DOS, then this is definitely not
ZX.
Hello ASDT
I will say from myself...
I understand spec as a “home” computer.
And therefore it should not be heavy, because...
I can lie on my leg for several hours :)
And it shouldn’t be big, because... "on my knee"
You can't hold a big one.
And accordingly, it should not have sharp corners :)
Hello ASDT
ASD> On my own behalf...
ASD> I understand spec as a “home” computer.
ASD> And therefore it should not be heavy, because
ASD> can lie on his leg for several hours :)
ASD> And it should not be large, because "on the knee"
ASD> you can’t hold a big one.
ASD> And accordingly, it should not have sharp corners :)
That is, a spherical horse in a vacuum: v2_biggr:
Hello Shaos
sinclair research ltd 1982
here's Sinclair
the rest are clones.
IMHO only me
Hello, ewgeny7
ewg> I agree. The microdrive, as a “tape” memory device, was not pure
ewg> Spec's device. It was used as an “archive” device
ewg> is long enough for a PC platform. And perversions like “video tape with
ewg> VCR to save your content..." brought a smile
ewg> both then, and even more so today.
The microdrive is already crazy - screwed - but the disk drive is not crazy - the insanity is getting stronger...
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> And secondly, the definition of “correct” can only be applied to
Bla> to a homogeneous set. In this case, to xUSSR computers
Bla> ZX platforms. In this situation, “incorrectness” will mean
Bla> deviation from a given platform without completely removing the computer from it
Bla> composition. Otherwise, it will already be a different platform and it will have
Bla> will already have its own “correctness”.
I agree. The microdrive, as a “tape” memory device, was not pure
Spekovsky device. It was used quite often as an “archival” device
long for a PC platform. And perversions like “video cassette with VCR for
saving your content..." brought a smile then, and even more so today.
Hello Lethargeek
Let> This is a "kosher" Spec.
Let> And we are talking about “correct”. ;)
and how does one differ from the other? :rolleyes;
I; I think that on the “correct” Spectrum it should work without any extra
attempts to switch between “kosher” software modes, i.e. that whole line
software that was produced for 48/128 Spectrums.
Hello, scl^mc
scl> I think that on the “correct” Spectrum it should work without any
scl> unnecessary attempts to switch modes of "kosher" software, i.e.
scl> the entire line of software that was produced for 48/128 Spectrums.
Then it will be just Spec and NOT MORE than just Spec. Despite everything
screwed on bells and whistles.
Unless they are "correct"... ;)
I suggest first clarifying the question “What is the right gadget?”
Hello Lethargeek
Let> I suggest first finding out the question “What is the right gadget?”
and speck, in my opinion, only has 2 of them.
tape recorder
and betadisc.
and then, about the beta disk, doubts are tormented about its “originality” from Mr.
Sinclair.
Hello ASDT
“So you won’t get any new architecture from me anyway.”
But can you help with programming? :)
Hello, Vladimir Kladov
Vla> Correct spec... Incorrect spec. The spec is completely wrong
Vla> computer. And seriously, it’s time to get down to business and continue
Vla> business started by Sinclair Research. It seems to me (this is IMO, not IMHO) that
Vla> you need to put the speck on the mezzanine, where it belongs, and make a NEW
Vla> HOUSEHOLD COMPUTER, costing 1000-1500 rubles. Connecting to TV or
Vla> monitor, telephone line (built-in modem) or modem, or
Vla> allows you to plug in a 10-100 Mbit Ethernet network card. S
Vla> with speed from 200 MHz. With flash instead of a screw, from 1Giga and above, s
Vla> memory from 1 MB to the ceiling. It seems to me that the matter of the structure
Vla> the company, which Sinclair Research was involved in, was not obliged to do so
Vla> rest EXACTLY on that architecture, EXACTLY IN THE Z80. It's funny to me that
Vla> a handheld computer costs almost more than a regular desktop computer, and
Vla> prices for laptops are STILL higher than for desktops, although in terms of power
Vla> they are many times WEAKER. (And if not weaker, then MUCH more expensive). MeVla> it seems that people who could make a name and MONEY for themselves instead
Vla> they sit there, nostalgic for the deceased, and waste their resources on
Vla> it’s unclear what. Instead of using modern
Vla> achievements.
Vla>
Vla> Yes, I'm not a hardware guy. I know about the soldering iron that it burns. Schemes for me -
Vla> are lines and circles. I'm just a programmer. And programming takes
Vla> 200% of my time. So there’s still no new architecture from me
Vla> wait. But maybe someone will finally decide, huh?
+1
New look.
Vladimir, I agree - the idea of Sinclair Research was precisely this - to create from 100
pounds/euro home computer.
But, creating your own platform means either focusing on existing ones
software and hardware systems or something so unique that all the support
you'll have to do it yourself.
In the first case, by the way, there are platform-independent solutions, such as Java, J2ME
etc.
In addition, you can now purchase (albeit not a new) home computer for
the price included in the same 100 pounds/euro. He will have guaranteed support
software, various help services on the Internet, and the Internet itself is not a problem eitherFor such a computer - plug in the Momed - and you're done, plug in the network card - and you're done.
Even if we don’t abstract from the problems of software legality, then there is Linux, which
has very good support. That. a home computer now is a computer on
based on x86 (even x64) architecture.
Outbid with prices (and the question of 100 pounds was not voiced by me or even
Vladimir) of Chinese manufacturers is simply unrealistic, the cost of their labor
lower than even the Russian one by several times.
The most established PC production business now is the market
x86|x64.
Those. to summarize, the new computer will most likely be Spectrum-incompatible and
work with speck at the emulation level (although it’s not a fact that this is bad, code 80x86
on all but 80x86 processors it was emulated - I’m talking about 2x86 and higher - “native”
architecture did not match 80x86; AMD generally uses realtime
translator to internal commands); its cost will not be low - it will not
correspond thereby to 100 pounds; software issue - its
quantity and quality - it will be very acute for him.
Thus, it is much more profitable to develop the ZX platform not revolutionary but
evolutionarily, as NedoPC does for example.
Hello ASDT
Correct spec... Incorrect spec. Spec is a completely wrong computer. And
seriously, it’s time to get down to business and continue what Sinclair Research started
matter. It seems to me (this is IMO, not IMHO) that it is necessary to put the speck on the mezzanine,
where it belongs, and make a NEW HOUSEHOLD COMPUTER, costing 1000-1500 rubles.
Connectable to TV or monitor, telephone line (built-in modem) or modem,
or allowing you to plug in a 10-100 Mbit Ethernet network card. With speed
from 200 MHz. With flash instead of a screw, from 1Giga and above, with memory from 1 MB and up
ceiling. It seems to me that the matter of building such a computer, which is what Sinclair was doing
Research, it was not at all necessary to rely on that architecture, EXACTLY on the Z80.
It's funny to me that a handheld computer costs almost more than a regular one
desktop, and prices for laptops are STILL higher than for desktops, although
they are several times WEAKER in power. (And if not weaker, then MUCH more expensive). to me
it seems that people who could have made a name and MONEY for themselves are instead
they sit nostalgic for the deceased, and waste their resources on who knows what.
Instead of taking advantage of modern advances.
Yes, I'm not a hardware guy. I know about the soldering iron that it burns. Schemes for me are lines
and circles. I'm just a programmer. And programming takes 200% of my time. Yes
that you still won’t get new architecture from me. But maybe someone stillIt's already decided, huh?
Hello, Vladimir Kladov
200 MIPS is not for homemade products
30 still maybe
Hello ASDT
Water... Water...
And it’s unclear how the conclusion came out...
"Thus, it is much more profitable to develop the ZX platform not revolutionary but
evolutionarily, as NedoPC does for example."
And again. Please tell me what you personally think
"out of character" speck.
For example.
I believe that the "correct spec" should allow
"self-assembly", i.e. all solutions that do not allow
the ability to assemble them “on the knee” - are not
speck.
Hello, mishutka
You know, now I only have two specs. One on the PC in the form of Unreal, the second
on a PDA in the form of PocketSpeccy. And I'm happy. There's even more buzz from PDA, lie down on
on the sofa with a speck in his palm, sorting through his old floppy disks (I once transferred them to
PC).
Hello, Mikka_A
Mik> and people like me, I think, can be found everywhere.
Mik>
Mik> I find it PLEASURE.
Mik>
Mik> assemble and run.
I join and support.
It's like a Cossack. If you put a Porsche engine on it, an F1 chassis, etc.
etc. - this is no longer a Cossack.
Hello ASDT
ASD> Water ... Water ...
ASD> And it’s unclear how the output came out...
ASD>
ASD> "Thus, it is much more profitable to develop the ZX platform without
ASD> is revolutionary and evolutionary, as NedoPC does, for example."
ASD>
ASD> And again. Please tell me what you personally think
ASD> "out of character" speck.
ASD> For example.
ASD> I believe that the “correct spec” should allow
ASD> "self-assembly", i.e. all solutions do not allow
ASD> the ability to assemble them “on the knee” is not
ASD> speck.
the correct spec MUST be self-assembled.
otherwise it's not spec.
it must be assembled from separate pieces.
Only board and rum should be industrial.
the rest must be born in pain... :v2_wink2;
otherwise; this is not speck, but just a banal computer, pussy... uh...... :v2_laugh:
Hello Sonic
Son> ..........
Son>
Son> But it’s much easier said than done, so let’s do it
Son> live quietly and peacefully and be nostalgic for whatever you want...
logical
+1
"Everyone goes crazy the way he wants!" (c) folk wisdom
PS.Oftop I also have a laptop. 386 with 8 MB of memory.
there are 95... :v2_finge; :v2_finge:; :v2_clapp:
Hello, mishutka
mis> how many of those present here can hold a soldering iron? and even those
mis> who knows how to seal the pleats on the first try
no.
but I, for example, would be happy to buy a couple of boxes of juice or a bottle of good beer
I will collect any spec.
give me the board and a complete set of accessories.
and people like me, I think, can be found everywhere.
I find it PLEASURE. :v2_clapp; :v2_rolley; :v2_wink2;
collect; and run.
Hello, mishutka
mis> you don’t want to help in this case CHRV or KingOfEvil - after all, it was
mis> if there was real support for the spec - they would at this time be a new thread
mis> developed
Yes I'm easy! :v2_clapp;
only; They are in Moscow, and I am in St. Petersburg... :v2_huh:
Hello, Mikka_A
Mik> no.
Mik> but I, for example, for a couple of boxes of juice, or a bottle of good beer, s
Mik> I will be happy to collect any spec.
Mik> give me the board and a full set of accessories.
Mik>
Mik> and people like me, I think, can be found everywhere.
Mik>
Mik> I find it PLEASURE. :v2_clapp; :v2_rolley; :v2_wink2;
Mik>;
Mik> assemble and run.
don’t want to help CHRV or KingOfEvil in this case - after all, it would be real
support for the spec - they would have developed a new thread at this time
Hello, Mikka_A
Mik> the correct spec MUST be self-assembled.
How many of those present here can hold a soldering iron? and even those who know how
Will the plisses be sealed on the first try?
Hello, Mikka_A
and what’s the problem - let them send it to you in St. Petersburg - you’re all nearby there :v2_wink2:
Hello RamTop
By the way, gentlemen - an important factor of convenience - here is the spec with a regular keyboard, 50Hz
a color monitor and a 5305 disk drive that roars so much that it doesn’t seem like much
Convenience is not enough - it’s better to use Unreal.
we can eliminate almost everything - but the 50Hz scan will remain - you won’t have your own peephole
sorry? let's all chip in and buy one 17-inch LCD monitor and give it away
for experimenters - let them at least throw out all the control electronics and
They will make a housing complex for the spec! :)
Hello, mishutka
In general, we have gone very far from the topic
my version of the speccy standard
128K
TR-DOS (without PLL and direct port readings, version 5.03)
AY to standard addresses
port ff
port 1f - without add-ons
port fe - without appendages
port 7ffd into which you can also write via fd
Hello, mishutka
but IMHO there is no need to develop a new spec - it will no longer be a spec - and who cares?
it will be produced - it’s just that I, for example, earn my own living
soldering iron and I know firsthand what production organization is, even if
small-scale - and there’s no one to recruit for a small-scale series - there won’t be that many
customers. Vladimir Kladov is right - it’s better to develop a PDA for $50 or
industrial controller what does (did) CHRV
Hello, mishutka
I just assure you that by soldering a couple of boards you will forget about it because this work
quite heavy and quite detrimental to health
Hello, Vladimir Kladov
Vla> make a NEW HOUSEHOLD COMPUTER, costing 1000-1500 rubles.
Vla> Connecting to TV or monitor, telephone line (built-in modem)
Vla> or a modem, or allowing you to plug in an Ethernet 10-100 network card
Vla> mbit. With speeds starting from 200 MHz. With flash instead of a screw, from 1Giga and
Vla> higher, with memory from 1 MB to the ceiling.
Vla>
Such a household computer has existed for a long time. Sold on e.g.
komok.com for a bottle of beer. Has a typical Intel Pentium configuration
200/32RAM/several gigabytes screw. Windows works fine on it (even though it's 98),
without which its main function is to educate the younger generation - home
The computer is basically unable to do this. You can already buy a laptop for $100
similar configuration.
Practice shows that no one needs this home computer. People
are drawn to modern things, and the modern thing is Windows XP (you can already
say Vista) + Office XP + Internet Explorer v6 + Adobe Photoshop +
modern games.
> It seems to me that people who could make a name and MONEY for themselves
> instead they sit nostalgic for the deceased and waste theirs> resource for something unknown. Instead of using
> modern achievements.
To make money for yourself, you really just need to use
modern achievements. Namely - become a Microsoft partner and sell them
solutions. Well, or go to an office that does this, if you don’t have one yourself
entrepreneurial spirit. Which is what 99% of us do.
A computer with 200 MHz, compatible with itself - these are not modern achievements, but
reinventing the wheel, and 10 years ago. By the way, this has happened once already
there was one too - it was called Acorn RiscPC. And where is it? They say it was in Africa because
could run on solar batteries. There is now a “laptop for $100”, because
that for it to work, you only need to turn the handle on the side. :) I'm willing to bet
whatever, this laptop won’t be bought in a normal country even for $10
(Linux fans don't count, I'm talking about consumers and not collectors).
However, now I have a $100 laptop on my desk at home, it’s a Pentium-133 32
mb... Absolutely the same Linux runs on it, plus Windows.
Unless there is a handle on the side, well, yes, if the day comes such a rainy day that I
If I can’t pay for electricity, then I’d better turn on the pedals (otherwise
the process of turning the keyboard is not clear). :)So gentlemen, let's calm down. Someone is nostalgic for poking with a soldering iron
in the assembly field of Leningrad, and some - in the dashing cooperatives of the early 90s,
full of ideas and initiatives. It's almost 2007 already, and the computer
The market has long been divided and developed.
That gold mine where you can “make a name and money for yourself” is not a computer. Not
TV and not a cell phone. It's probably not an electronic thing at all, but
something from a completely different area. This is something that does not yet exist and that no one has yet
came up with it. Now, if you come up with SUCH A THING so that the world can unanimously say “WOW”
and rushed to buy - then he’ll have a name and money, no worse than Bill’s
Gates. And whoever is first will rule, and the rest, like us now, will
picking up scraps at his feet.
But this is much easier said than done, so let's live quietly and
peacefully and nostalgic for everyone about whatever they want...
Hello Sonic
Son> ......
Son> To make money for yourself, you really have to do it simply
Son> take advantage of modern advances. Namely - to become a partner
Son> Microsoft and sell their solutions. Well, or go to the office, which
Son> does this if he himself does not have an entrepreneurial spirit. What 99%
Son> they make us out of us.
Son> .......
Son> So, gentlemen, let's calm down. Someone is nostalgic for poking
Son> with a soldering iron into the assembly field of Leningrad, and someone on the dashing
Son> cooperatives of the early 90s, full of ideas and initiatives. It's already outside
Son> It’s almost 2007, and the computer market has long been divided and
Son> mastered.
Son> That gold mine where you can “make a name and money for yourself” is not
Son> computer. Not a TV or a cell phone.
Son> ......
Son> And whoever is first will rule, and the rest, like we are now, will be
Son> pick up scraps at his feet.
Son> But it’s much easier said than done, so let’s do itSon> live quietly and peacefully and be nostalgic for whatever you want...
Respect. I subscribe to every word.
Hello, The Exploited
The> apparatchiks are not so poor and can easily afford 19"
The> (some I think more). whoever needed it has already connected the lcd
The> both at 50Hz and at 60 or more.
Can I see examples of this connection somewhere?
schematics or firmware?
Hello, ilyaspb
ily> can you see examples of this connection somewhere?
ily> schematics or firmware?
http://www.aver.ru/products/table_box.shtml
Hello, mishutka
mis> we can exclude almost everything - and the 50Hz scan will remain - your peephole
mis> don't you feel sorry for your own people? let's all chip in and buy one LCD monitor for 17
mis> inches and give it to the apparatchiks for experiments - even if they have all of it
mis> the control electronics will be thrown out and the LCD will be made for the speck!
the apparatchiks are not so poor and can easily afford 19" (some
I think more). whoever needed it has long since connected the lcd at both 50Hz and
60 or more.
Hello ASDT
ASD> “So you still won’t get new architecture from me.”
ASD> But can you help with programming? :)
I meant something like this:
http://kolmck.net/sf/architecture_contrary_to.zip
Not at all...
Hello, Vladimir Kladov
The answer to the question is simple... :)
The correct spec is a device that:
1) Compatible with at least 90% software for ZX Spectrum 48 and ZX Spectrum 128
2) Has support for video modes and memory modes compatible with ZX Spectrum
3) Can be repeated using hard logic (without using FPGA) on
domestic (before 1990) element base, taking into account the cost below 200
US dollars
4) Gives the developer full programmatic access to control all of his
executive devices (CPU, disk controllers, music processor, devices
input/output), i.e. lack of completely closed drivers from manufacturers.
5) Available for making hardware changes independently by the user when
using your hands and a soldering iron.
6) Able to function without external storage devices, i.e. OS
sufficient for functioning and full-fledged operation is stitched into ROM.
Hello Raydac
The correct spec is the one on which the old software runs without emulation and which
the next 25 years will develop as rapidly as the previous 25. My
the “butterfly on an elephant” concept suits this quite well. Bishops can be changed
The butterfly is still as beautiful as the day it was born.
Application processors in the form of servers will help us. And the ZX Spectrum is so thin
client or request engine. 3D and databases and much more are then a reality.
From now on, I propose to call the classic Spectrum and its clones nothing more than White
ZX Spectrum Computers - their time is the 20th century. For all new development concepts
6 other colors of the rainbow remain :)
Hello andrews
In particular, for the ZX Spectrum client + servers (application processors) architectures
the first representative of which should be become in 1999 ZX Spectrum Tornado I score
"Yellow ZX Spectrum computers".
Hello andrews
and> My “butterfly on an elephant” concept suits this quite well. Elephants
and> you can change and the butterfly is still as beautiful as that day
and> was born. Application processors in the form of servers will help us.
and> And the ZX Spectrum is like a thin client or a query machine. 3D and bases
and> data and much more then reality. Classic Spectrum and its
and> I propose to call the clones from now on nothing more than White ZX Spectrum
and> Computers - their time is the 20th century. For all new development concepts
and> 6 other colors of the rainbow remain :)
A butterfly on an elephant is an elephant on which a butterfly sat, of course it will remain
butterfly, but will be considered as a temporary attribute of an elephant, and not as an elephant
clinging to the butterfly.. The question here was specifically about the “correct Spectrum” and on
in my opinion my definition is “correct” for the Spectrum :) and I recommend it to you
remember comrade Kalashnikov, who did not try to make a combine harvester from a machine gun
but he followed “what is necessary is simple, what is complex is not necessary.”. this was also followed
Sinclair, which reflects his genius... since we are not geniuses, then no shit
We have to tell them how to attach the elephant...
Hello Raydac
Ray> "what is necessary is simple, complex is not necessary"
yes, everything is especially simple in the modern world - with such a slogan you probably won’t
Mount Ararat
Hello Raydac
Ray> Sinclair, which reflects his genius
you are behind the times - Sinclair on this forum has long been deprived of the title of “genius”
Hello Raydac
and a camel driver, according to you, is a herd of camels with one human
from a camel on the shoulders? or is it a caravan?
Hello NovaStorm
Nov> Unfortunately, the increase in the wingspan of a butterfly usually ends
Nov> fatal - it does not take off =)
It depends on who increases it. Speck himself is clearly not a swallowtail yet, so - moth
pale with confused flight. :)
Hello, The Exploited
It is not necessary to attach elephants, but to increase the wingspan of the butterfly (and the complexity
pattern on them). So that the usual method of transportation is preserved - free flight.
;)
Unfortunately, until now everyone has only tried to hook elephants (usually lame ones).
Hello andrews
and> If you give the butterfly the opportunity to communicate with the elephant and exchange
and> intentions, then they will consistently act as perfect
and> a unique biological species. :)
“A turtle and an elephant may have children, son, but they will be freaks” (C)
Beware Modern 2
Hello andrews
and> you are behind the times - Sinclair on this forum has long been deprived of his title
and> "brilliant"
Reading the posts of some comrades on the forum, I think that forum visitors are simply
a little hasty, but they will clearly think about their decision and be more merciful
to Sinclair. :)
Hello, mishutka
mis> zxnext.narod.ru - on the question of genius
I looked at how chaotically it was presented and got the impression that it only adds
confusion .. the fact that the Z80 is a third-party development is already clear, but with the same
success can be argued that the inventor of the steam engine is not one,
since steam is a natural phenomenon, and the plane is also supported in flight far away
not the thought of the inventor.. One fact, under the leadership of Sinclair it was made
cheap (!), widely available (!), excellent value
price/quality of a home computer, but to argue that it’s not him, someone else..duck
if there had been someone else, he would have definitely lit up... it may well be that they were walking there
reasoning at the level of the Soviet space program "is the moon soft or
hard?" and the one who puts forward the statement is the one who leads, as I understand it,
in this case it was Sinclair.
Hello Lethargeek
Unfortunately, increasing the wingspan of a butterfly usually ends fatally -
it doesn't take off =)
Hello Lethargeek
Let> It depends on who increases it. Speck himself is clearly not a swallowtail yet, so -
Let> pale moth with confused flight. :)
so what? still flies... but elephants walk.
Hello NovaStorm
What is good about the “butterfly on an elephant” or “helicopter on an aircraft carrier” configuration?
I like it, I think it's clear. The butterfly spends little energy, without any special complaints about it from
side of those around him flies everywhere, sees everything (but, alas, does not remember everything
due to the small amount of memory and weak intelligence), the elephant, on the contrary,
a strong, intelligent, hardy animal, but it should not be allowed into
a china shop, and although he is certainly not born to crawl, alas, he cannot fly either.
If you give the butterfly the opportunity to communicate with the elephant and exchange intentions, then
they will consistently act as a completely unique biological
view :)
Hello Lethargeek
I agree with the previous speaker. There is no need to rush, we won’t give in
Megahertz will be supposedly wide, well, I don’t know, but it was right to develop
strengths of the Spectrum minimalism modernize the command set
programming to make it so that everyone can do it easily and accessible
obgreid and not buy another monster, well, who wants it right, so that's it
directions for the Spectrum this is the current plus even if the experiment was unsuccessful: v2_cheer; With;
happy new year
Hello andrews
and> Gratitude to Sinclair remained in the present, admiration for him
and> “genius” is a thing of the past.
If Zonov, Nemo or Ivan Makarchenko wrote this, I would understand that you still
it's too early
Hello, Maksagor
> Sinclair was debunked by Konstantin Sviridov (on the forum - Conan), one of
> creators of the ZX-Next clone.
I looked at his website for ZX-Next.. to be honest, it gives the impression “this
wrote a loser.". it’s so meticulous to dig up and present everything in the negative
found, can only be a person who thinks “I should have been in his place”
:) but for some reason he didn’t (of course not through his own fault)
Hello Raydac
Ray> "A turtle and an elephant may have children, son, but they will be
Ray> children are freaks" (C) Beware Modern 2
what can we do, but differently, turtle children have no chance of becoming as strong as an elephant
no!
Hello Raydac
Ray> If Zonov, Nemo or Ivan Makarchenko wrote this, I would understand
Ray> it's still too early for you
just right for me...you're almost old enough to be my son
Hello Raydac
Gratitude to Sinclair remains in the present, admiration for his “genius”
is a thing of the past.
Hello Raydac
Ray> If Zonov, Nemo or Ivan Makarchenko wrote this, I would understand
Ray> it's still too early for you
Sinclair was debunked by Konstantin Sviridov (on the forum - Conan), one of the creators
clone ZX-Next.
Hello Raydac
I'm very upset :v2_frown; Let's; live together so that the Spectrum does not die
finally. As long as I remember (1991) there is a constant division into camps and why are we
they came, but back then we were stronger than the staff. when will we be able to listen
each other :confused; Yeshe; Happy New Year!
Hello, Scorpion(lv)
And one more point: I understand that someone is not going to do anything for nothing, but
get it right, if everyone who knows how to do something will be a poling iron just like
before overwriting the chips the platform will die current full openness plus
friendliness will save and if one out of a hundred and repeat the scheme or improve from this
The developer will not suffer, but on the contrary, the platform will benefit and we are all at the same time! And
Yes, there is no need to cover everything globally, I personally, but for now the percentages have not been tested on
a standard car doesn’t need to stick a new monster on it for it to be acceptable
The same applies to graphics for individual devices, then there will be no separation
next one!
Hello, Maksagor
> Sinclair was debunked by Konstantin Sviridov (on the forum - Conan), one of
> creators of the ZX-Next clone.
Well, why did he immediately debunk it? For example, from there I gleaned a lot of information about
other areas of Sinclair's activities and was finally convinced of his
genius. Of course, the easiest way is to call the Creator a fool and say that
“true Spectrum” was born in the USSR, which some people have already fantasized about,
however, this did not stop the genius from being a genius in the eyes of many, at least as
leader of a group of talented professionals who gave the world
ZX-Spectrum.
Hello GNTB
Sorry for being offtopic.
Hello Raydac
Ray> I looked at his website for ZX-Next.. to be honest, it produces
Ray> the impression “this was written by a loser”.. it’s so meticulous to dig and
Ray> only a person who can expose everything found in the negative
Ray> thinks “I should have been in his place” :) but for some reason he didn’t
Ray> became (of course not through his own fault)
No, he's not a loser. He works in Canada and seems to make good money.
He studied many English-language books and articles and, I am sure, this work should
respect, like any other, not the easiest job.
He came across these documents by accident, his investigation was the goal
refute what was written in that book, but delving into the investigation he found
many other sources confirm this version.
Indeed, the real inventor almost always gets paid
incomparably smaller than a businessman organizing production, selling
product. It appears that the Soviet myth that Sir Sinclair was
the silverless inventor turned out to be just “water” and dust.
He was not a good “techie” - he was a manager, a trader. And wrong
his vision of the situation ruined him.
Looks like it's true.
Now, Sinclair Research produces bicycles and wheelchairs withmotor, as well as all sorts of electromechanical (NOT electronic!) little things.
From the genius of Sir Clive, right?
Hello, mishutka
mis> gentlemen, when you talk about Sinclair, you completely forget - he WASN’T
mis> developer - he was a manager and far from the best -
mis> it is correctly said - he saw only piles of gold on the other side - in
mis> the result is still a lot of torment - and our reverent attitude
mis> to "Uncle Clive" only because for most it was their first computer
mis> - my first personal computer was Quorum64 - and for it
mis> separate huge respect to Caro, and not at all to “Uncle Clive”
If Sinclair was “far from the best manager,” then no one would talk about Spectrum
never found out due to the fact that such a computer would never have appeared, and if
even if it appeared, it flashed fleetingly like thousands of other near-computer
developments of the 80s...
Hello, Maksagor
> Well, I probably should have put the word “equal” in quotation marks: I just
> responded in the manner in which the phrase was said. Although
> there really was a debunking - rather not of Sinclair, but of the myths that
> it has grown. I didn't call him a fool. :)
Well, others hinted that Sinclair is a fool ;)
Hello GNTB
GNT> No, he's not a loser. He works in Canada, seems to be doing well
GNT> earns.
GNT>
GNT> Now, Sinclair Research produces bicycles and wheelchairs
GNT> motor, as well as any electromechanical (NOT electronic!)
GNT> trifle.
GNT> From the genius of Sir Clive, right?
Living in Canada and making good money is not a sign of luck :)
It’s just that the article there is kind of monotonous, but when I came across the description and
family life in general somehow strangely looks irrelevant but in
"Soviet" style, when "Russian tourist is the face of morality" ... so you can write
a lot of things about anyone... As the director of the Alavar company, Mr. Lyskovsky, says -
"the director's task is to have a vision." Sinclair had this quality, genius or
no :) but the fact is that if this were not so, then Spectrum would not exist as
class... and the fact that he produces various non-electronic little things, well, maybe he has a soul
it lies with this.. history shows that most inventions or
discoveries were made as an additional or indirect project growing in
independent..
Hello, Scorpion(lv)
Sco> Popovud topics are more important than the development of a new processor and graph
Sco> there is no device and if the development is successful, then its author
Sco> will stand next to our idols and will go down in history
Yes, but it won’t even be a Speck clone :) it will be “a completely different story”...
Hello Shaos
Sha> Well, others hinted that Sinclair is a fool ;)
Experience shows that people who are, to put it mildly, mediocre usually say this.. :)
Hello, mishutka
mis> my first personal computer was Quorum64 - and for it
mis> separate huge respect to Caro, and not at all to “Uncle Clive”
You confused cause with effect... maybe Sinclair wasn’t a mega-manager, but with
I coped with the task.. what you had as your first computer was
thanks not to Caro, but to the fact that you wouldn’t have to write thousands of units from scratch
entertainment and system software, and Quorum is obviously only competent
created clone.. I have never heard of anyone writing software specifically for
Russian clone (at least in the West).. As for clones, here
the coolest development belongs, of course, to the Peters and Ivan Makarchenko,
who developed Sprinter (team leader Alexey Goryachev, OS developer
Denis Parinov), but here problems clearly emerged that showed that
the coolness of a clone's circuit design is determined by the support of software developers and
in its naked form, only fans need it (remember Mednonogov’s phrase about “sell
I will port 300 computers").
Hello, mishutka
mis> okay - let's discuss this point then - Spectrum bribed
mis> initially by cheapness, then by a huge number of software. But! at a price
mis> why was all this done? - at the cost of headaches for everyone - from
mis> hardware engineers and programmers ending with end users.
mis>
Here is confirmation of one of my points - the correct spec can be
independently assembled and repaired :) .. I had the Zonovsky version and KAY
256, surprisingly there were no problems with statics or failures..
Hello, Maksagor
Popovud topics are more important than the development of a new processor and the device graph is nothing
no, and if the development is successful, then its author will stand next to our idols
tobezh will go down in history
Hello Raydac
Ray> Living in Canada and making good money is not an indicator of luck :)
Ray> It’s just that the article there is somehow monotonous, but when I came across the description
Ray> and family life, it generally looks strangely unrelated to
Ray> business but in the "Soviet" style, when "Russian tourist is the face of morality"..
Ray> so you can write a lot about someone... As the director says
Ray> of the Alawar company Mr. Lyskovsky - “the task of the director in the vision”..
Ray> Sinclair had this quality, genius or not :) but the fact is that
Ray> if this were not so, then Spectrum would not exist as a class.. otherwise
Ray> that he produces various non-electronic little things, well, maybe he has a soul
Ray> it lies in this.. history shows that most inventions
Ray> or discoveries were made as an additional or indirect project
Ray> grown into an independent...
The author simply introduced us to one of the many versions of the vision of this situation,
existing in the West. You can study very different texts. Truth is always
somewhere in the middle. Sir Sinclair was not a "saint", he was just a man,
entrepreneur and organizer.It’s just that other articles create an “halo of holiness” around his person.
Let's slowly finish the discussion of personalities. Theme created for
discussions about the car.
Hello, mishutka
mis> IMHO Sinclair is far from a fool - he just pursued other goals
he just posted an ad
p.s. Happy New Year to EVERYONE!
Hello GNTB
gentlemen, when you talk about Sinclair, you completely forget - he WAS NOT a developer - he
was a manager and far from the best - it’s rightly said - he saw
only piles of gold on the other side - as a result there is still a lot of torment
- and our reverent attitude towards “Uncle Clive” is only because the majority have this
there was the first computer - my first own computer was Quorum64 - and
For him, a separate huge respect goes to Caro, and not at all to “Uncle Clive”
Hello Raydac
Ray> You confused cause with effect... maybe Sinclair wasn’t there
Ray> a mega-manager, but he coped with the task... what you had as a quality
Ray> the first computer was not thanks to Caro, but to the fact that you didn’t
Ray> would have to write thousands of entertainment and system units from scratch
Ray> software, and Quorum is obviously only a well-created clone..
No - I’m not confused - Huge respect to Caro for the fact that this machine turned out to be
indestructible no matter what I did with it - the branded Speck couldn’t stand it :)
Hello Raydac
IMHO Sinclair is far from a fool - he just pursued other goals
Hello Shaos
Sha> If Sinclair was “far from the best manager,” then about Spectrum
Sha> no one ever found out due to the fact that such a computer would never be
Sha> appeared, and even if it had appeared, it would have flashed fleetingly like thousands
Sha> other near-computer developments of the 80s...
ok - let's discuss this point then - the Spectrum was initially captivating
cheapness, then a huge number of software. But! at what cost was all this done?
- at the cost of headaches for everyone - from apparatchiks and programmers to
end users.
I’m personally lucky - I’ve been friends with a soldering iron for a decade and a half - and I myself
expanded the memory, connected drives, AY, repaired it myself because it was broken
often. I've had a lot of specks during my tenure - Quorum64 Vesta three
Quorum128 Delta128 Pentagon128 Profi512
- Do you know why there were three Quorums128? - BO1VG1-2 burned everywhere (even still
I remember its markings) - this computer was terribly afraid of static - and think about this
What is it like for a student to buy a new computer - and the years were 93-95 - in our Komsomol
it was a complete fuck-up - and then I again took out my Quorum64 and attached everything to it
kit and again saved money for a new computer - imagine the disappointment
boy 15 years old
- all this means that I understand perfectly well how users of branded products feltspecov. Or the Vesta keyboard - my dear mother - after that I was a champion
arm wrestling institute - he could just squeeze his fingers so hard that no one
withstood. I ask moderators to move this topic to flame
Hello Shaos
Sha> Well, why did you immediately debunk it? For example, I picked up a lot from there
Sha> information about other areas of Sinclair's activities and finally
Sha> was convinced of his genius. Of course, the easiest way is to call the Creator
Sha> a fool and to say that the “true Spectrum” was born in the USSR, what is it like here
Sha> some have already become more imaginative, but this does not stop the genius
Sha> to be a genius in the eyes of many, at least as a group leader
Sha> talented professionals who gave the world ZX-Spectrum.
Well, I probably should have put the word “equal” in quotation marks: I just answered that
the key in which the phrase was spoken. Although there really was a debunking -
rather not Sinclair, but the myths with which he has acquired. I didn't call him a fool. :)
Hello, Scorpion(lv)
Sco> cloning is enough, it's time to create something hmm, really, if instead of a stump
Sco> they stuck the stump mmh this is no longer a PS, some kind of ignorant thinking, okay
Sco> good luck to everyone.
If you have analyzed all the incoming proposals for new Spectrums, then
You probably noticed that there is one detail that sounds something like this
“The Spectrum is outdated, let’s plug a Pentium into the Spectrum and everything will be cool”...
Pisiska followed the path of development of the central “stone”, Spectrum is unlikely to have
this is the way, people are accustomed to thinking on a pussy level, nothing better
than a PDA taped to the ZX 48 does not offer...
Hello Raydac
I don’t need to impose a new one, I shouldn’t distort the essence, but it’s not a personal computer
I’m a witch, so I’m not going to hunt here and I don’t advise you to, but we have other people’s experience
obliged to use for the purpose of rationalism I do not agree to buy a new Spectrum
I have enough of mine, I understand if everything burns into a friend, so I’ll be there then
think, well, I don’t agree, I pay for a candy wrapper just like in the advertisement
:v2_biggr; The same; I guess you could say it was in the late 80s when trdos
appeared and who needs him and it’s all the staff’s fault and now
By default he even talks about new specs: v2_cheer; again; year
Hello Raydac
Ray> Yes, but it won't even be a Speck clone :) it will be "completely different
Ray> history"...
I don’t like polemics, in my opinion, enough cloning, it’s time to create something hmm
Is it really possible that if they stuck a stump in the place of the stump, mmh, that’s no longer PS, it’s kind of weird
thinking, okay good luck everyone.
Hello Raydac
Ray> PDA taped to ZX 48
well, you were once a good designer... but now you’re not able to
objectively evaluate other people's fruitful ideas... it's a pity!
Hello andrews
and> The semantic load of the 8-bitnik is not lost. ARM exactly how
and> the expander, not the main processor, leaves the Spectrum as the Spectrum and
and> at the same time expands the circle of its potential users. Not
and> was too lazy to look for smartphones with a 320x240 screen Prices 14,500-20,000 rubles.
and> Let there be a bunch of additional options, but as an “extender” for
and> Spectrum is still a bit expensive.
Don’t forget that this is not the 70s, or even the 90s (which one completely forgot about
Russian director who shot a remake of "Carnival Night" and shown in these
holidays, I’m sure I wasn’t the only one who felt sick). I certainly understand your cravings.
inflate the cost of current devices available for sale :) but why?
should we take smartphones? you should also take Nokia phones with a titanium case, there
35000 will be, although the electronics inside are weak.. Not to be unfounded
I’m giving information from the website of the KEY company (a chain of computer stores in St. Petersburg):
on s
PDA Fujitsu PocketLOOX 410
320x240 pix
Intelo XScale PXA255 (300 MHz)
price 6799.00 rub (!)
The best spectrum expander was Sprinter, for which Ivan Makarchenko received grand respect
and you can’t beat him, but if you also remember, they were faced with the fact thatfactories in Russia were unable to provide adequate price/quality of production of boards for
of this platform, since the electronics and quality with the precision of its production
here it remained at the level of 92, and such a high rejection is not
will allow you to produce cheap devices with decent (at present times)
frequencies here (I mean Russia) for normal (competitive)
price..
That’s why I write in the requirements for a “real” spec - the possibility of implementation on
rigid logic of the “Soviet” model..
Hello andrews
and> well, you were once a good designer... but now you’re not
and> able to objectively evaluate other people's fruitful ideas... it's a pity!
Well, why... I evaluate objectively... there are two market rules:
1) Inventing the “bicycle” is expensive
2) No one needs the invented “bicycle”
Since when an ARM or video processor is connected, the 8-bit central
Speck's processor ceases to carry almost or completely a semantic load, then
it’s easier to take advantage of cheap and accessible commercial works on
in this field - Pussy and PDA. Before doing or inventing anything, always
It’s useful to answer the question “why”
Hello Raydac
The concept of expanding functionality I proposed was successfully implemented for the first time
used HP in the late 70s and since then it has been used a lot and successfully by many
manufacturers - brands. The semantic load of the 8-bitnik is not lost. ARM exactly
as an expander, and not the main processor, the Spectrum remains the Spectrum and in the same
time expands the circle of its potential users. I wasn't too lazy to look
smartphones with a 320x240 screen Prices 14500-20000 rub. Let there be a bunch of extra ones
options, but as an “extender” for the Spectrum it’s still a little expensive.
Hello Raydac
I just don’t understand what Raidak is talking about here, and don’t you understand that we
We didn't gather here for a funeral. Anyway, I want a standard car.
(Leningrad 48-128) could be expanded to new graphic modes and to
new CPU
Hello andrews
Bicycle. Indeed, very similar. I hope I am NOT reinventing the wheel. And
not even a moped, not a scooter or a motorcycle. And that at least three new ideas
(or well forgotten, but very good) I have. Although I'm not a hardware guy. But,
maybe that's good too. When a “pure” iron worker makes iron, he doesn’t
takes into account the interests of programmers, and users... under the user he
implies oneself, and nothing more, but the interests of the iron worker as a user
still somewhat different from those of the actual user...
Sorry for interfering in the conversation. Maybe even a little off topic. But I hope
there will be a grain of common sense in my mind and not only for me. Although probably
not right away. (I’m talking about what has already been said here: “stop cloning, let’s
invent something already").
Hello ASDT
"Before doing or inventing something, it is always useful to answer the question -
"why" "
I've been asking this question for a long time... :(
“Although I’m not a hardware person. But maybe that’s good too.”
Well, okay... then a programming question -
what can be done with standard firmware...?
Hello ASDT
"the world's first quad-core Spectrum" :)
I definitely don’t have enough strength for more than two... :)
Hello, Vladimir Kladov
Vla> . by user he means himself, and only
Vla> the interests of the iron worker as a user are still somewhat different than those of
Vla> is really a user...
Vla> it was said: “enough with cloning, let’s invent something already.”
So, having read all sorts of articles on increasing spec in this forum, in these
holidays took his invention of 1994, specifically reworked it and wrote it
the emulator that I am testing now is called ZX-Poly, the first in the world of four
Nuclear Spectrum with video modes 256 x 192 (standard), 256 x 192 - 16
colors (you can adapt old games with ZX48-128 to it without changing the code),
512 на 384 16 цветов со странной системой атрибутов (так же можно без изменения
кода адаптировать под него старые игры с ZX48-128), замечу что все видеорежимы
не замедляют работу с графикой, несмотря что там нет видеопроцессора, хитрая
the system of synchronization and interaction between processors allows you to build
maximum perverted programs, imitate non-existent peripherals and
вообще кучу всего, я не строил use cases, просто создавалось облако
"opportunities" with maximum compatibility... yes, by the way, the old system
извращенной адрессации видеопамяти спека тоже сохранена, память 512 кБт ну иthere’s also a lot of something that happened indirectly... in general, what to program on this
I need aerobatics... now I’m doing testing... no matter what happens
suspicions based on all sorts of external stones, I’ll immediately say that the emulsion is in Java and works in
realtime, i.e. I can’t write the “tricky stone” emulsion :)... yes, by the way.. like me
wrote in the requirements for a real spec, this development can be implemented in
rigid "Soviet" logic
Hello Raydac
Ray> yes, by the way.. as I wrote in the requirements for a real spec this
Ray> development can be implemented in strict "Soviet" logic
Igor, damn it, I should have written it a long time ago... or like the Peterses, we are waiting for “commercial”
blessings" :-).
Really really interesting. A friend wrote to me about bit-plan modes -
So I get really into reading. I think your ideas will be interesting. The truth in
Soviet logic should probably be implemented in the garden: v2_wink2; .;
Hello, CHRV
CHR> Igor, damn, I should have written a long time ago... or as the Peterses are waiting
CHR> "commercial blessing" :-).
CHR> Really really interesting. A friend here wrote to me about
CHR> bit-plan modes - so I get really into reading. I think your ideas
CHR> will be of interest. True, in Soviet logic it’s already possible to implement
CHR> to garden :v2_wink2; .;
Well, with our party course, you can roll back to Soviet logic at any time,
so it’s a bit early to talk about the garden :) .. I think there’s hardly any commercial interest here
it will work out, since already in 94 when I offered this model to Nemo, Zonov and
The Peters all agreed that it was too late
P.S.
I mistyped, I offered them either in 97 or in 98... although it was invented in
94m, but I was very busy then
Hello, Vladimir Kladov
Vla> You don’t need to do anything with the firmware if you need spec and
Vla> compatibility. For your needs, you make your own firmware and turn it on
Vla> software or hardware. It's called Service ROM.
A real spec must work on real firmware :) without starting with its own
service rom... imho
By real firmware I mean standard unprocessed firmware from
ZX-128
Hello, falanger
fal> Raudak.
fal> 4-core Spectrum.... This is ATAS!
fal> Please, please! Please! External only Stones, AU, VG, RAM, etc.
fal> this... And if 100% compatibility + extensions are different... If the percentage
fal> “start up” at 21 MHz, then you’ll see that the video will be decent....
fal> And as a souvenir, immediately put 72 rin SIMM on megs up to 16. ;)
You can please, for me the main thing is that in the absence of please it would work
1533 episodes :) and the video there is without brakes, so, i.e. performance doesn't drop
on the graphic part and without stones, this was a big plus, don’t forget
that the thing was invented in 1994, when there was no word on the local market and
never heard of how you can get a decent plus from one of the pros
imitate AY, which you don’t have to install, or some other peripherals... but the brains are in
512 kBt is through the roof IMHO, since you can cram everything you can into this volume, then
that a pussy with Windows eats hundreds of meters, so this is a problem of low use
Efficiency, I had to write for a long time for devices where 64 kBt is needed
cram everything in, both resources and programs, and there is no way like on the spec
It’s optimal for you to store resources... so 512 kB is a LOT OF MEMORY... that’s allabove - corrupts.. Spectrum is after all a software oriented computer platform,
The main thing here is to use your brains and write better than PC where hardware
oriented computer platform where it is more powerful to shove a scarf and not bother...
Hello Raydac
You don't need to do anything with the firmware if you need specs and compatibility. For
according to your needs, your own firmware is made and turned on in software or hardware.
It's called Service ROM.
Hello Raydac
Raudak.
4-core Spectrum.... This is ATAS!
Please, please! Please! External only Stones, AU, VG, RAM and so on... And if
100% compatibility + different expanders... If you set up the processor at 21 MHz, then
look and the video will be decent....
And as a reminder, immediately put 72 rin SIMM on megs up to 16. ;)
Hello Raydac
Percent imitate AY? Are you serious? I doubt something, even if you are on it
push 40 MHz and it won't light up.
Hello Raydac
Ray> You confused cause with effect... maybe Sinclair wasn’t there
Ray> is a mega-manager, but he coped with the task..
Hmm, strange statement. Let's start with the fact that the ZX 128 was not even a development of SRL,
Let’s also remember the “popularity” of QL. So did he cope with his task or not?
The fact that SRL (and not Sinclair) created the ZX Spectrum, which was successfully grunted in the USSR
absolutely not a fact of the genius of Clive Sinclair.
Hello Raydac
IMHO using a bunch of Z80s for any reason is like inventing a steam engine
a horse instead of a locomotive. Even with “Soviet logic” simpler and
effective solutions. In addition, "adapt old games without changing the code"
it won’t always work out - about which there was already a dispute with V. Kladov (more precisely
about the feasibility of a hardware implementation of 256-color EmuZWin). ;)
P.S. Give me the world's first nuclear Spectrum!! :p
Hello Lethargeek
Let> IMHO using a bunch of Z80s for any reason is the same
Let> invent a steam horse instead of a steam locomotive. Even on "Soviet logic"
Let> simpler and more effective solutions are possible. In addition, "adapt
Let> old games without changing the code"
Let>
Not all games can be ported, of course, but most can... as for
simple and effective solutions even on owls. logic - offer, otherwise no matter how much
I watched local conferences, everyone is following the path of increasing megahertz and external stones
hang, which is far from a simple and effective solution..
Hello, Vladimir Kladov
Vla> Percent imitate AY? Are you serious? I doubt something, even if you
Vla> push 40 MHz onto it, and it won’t light up.
I’m talking about the platform’s potential for this action, since
Since this is a software-oriented platform, the quality of solutions depends precisely on
programmer, and not from the apparatchik, and what the programmer shoves in there is left to God alone
known..
Hello Raydac
Speech recognition. Without special hardware that will make an FFT programmer
won't do anything. You look at the frequency of the AY signal. And how is this possible
Solve it programmatically, without hardware? No way. At least 4, at least 64 percent Z80 together
connect.
By the way, my proposal to make hardware to support 256 has already been mentioned here
mode in hardware. That's all you need - 8 processors and 9 times more memory. Well and in
logic has something to do with it. They told me then: it’s not real. Now it is clear that
really?
Hello, Vladimir Kladov
Vla> QL don't be high. 1 person grew up with it, thanks to which MS Windows
Vla> now there is an alternative in the form of Linux; Torvalds; Linus started with her
Vla> my experiments with multitasking. I think with this alone
Vla> circumstance QL fully justified its existence before
Vla> by humanity :)
Gods! Now should I hang a photo of Linus on the wall and...? It's like that here
Is there a cult of personality developed? We were talking about QL, it failed abruptly in the intended tire,
because this tire was already occupied by more productive machines. That's why I don't
I understand what Sinclair’s genius is, at least as a manager?
Hello icebear
ice> Hmm, strange statement. Let's start with the fact that the ZX 128 was not even
ice> development of SRL, let us also remember the “popularity” of QL. That's how he managed it
ice> with its task or not? The fact that SRL (and not Sinclair) created ZX
ice> Spectrum, which was successfully grunted in the USSR, is absolutely not a fact
ice> the genius of Clive Sinclair.
QL don't be rude. 1 person grew up with it, thanks to whom MS Windows now has
there is an alternative in the form of Linux; Torvalds; Linus started his career with her
experiments with multitasking. I think by this circumstance alone
QL has fully justified its existence to humanity :)
Hello icebear
ice> Therefore, I don’t understand what Sinclair’s genius is, at least how
ice> manager?
The fact is that you are now on this forum :)
Hello Raydac
Ray> Come on, really.. The whole problem is that he may not be a genius, and
Ray> is not a manager and may even be mediocrity... only you and I have everything
Ray> much sadder..
No, the whole problem is the subjectivity of your assessment of Sviridov’s work
:) I’m not defending him, but thanks to him I learned who really needs
idolize and be grateful for the Spectrum and a happy childhood.
Hello Raydac
Ray> which shows that the most important task is to interest
Ray> development companies in the release of software for the new computer were Sinclair
Ray> has been completed, but this is clearly not the merit of the designers and
Ray> electronic engineers...
I don't agree. I will say this, at that time only the laziest did not do homework
computers on Z80 (let's forget Komodor with 6502, it would be stupid for them to forget
your stone and use another), and the count. opportunities in the initial period were
approximately the same. They wrote for everything that was on sale.
Sinclair must be given credit for the first stage of the Spectrum's popularity, he
the manager really managed, on the one hand, to make a cheap computer (and this and
has always been the ideology of SRL, remember at least the C5 or the ZX-81 assembly kit) and
attract Psion to your side, providing the user with a minimum amount
software And a chain reaction began, a cheap Spectrum with some software from
manufacturer -> a bunch of users -> interest from software development companies ->
user interest in new software -> brilliant idea to fill a niche
business machines with a cheap and at that time already weak computer. Since the last one
idea, the title of manager can be safely taken back (by turning a blind eye to the previous
punctures with supplies during takeoff).
Hello, Vladimir Kladov
Vla> In fact, he was lucky. But in my opinion, the only thing is that, unlike
Vla> from other designers, he chose the goal - low cost.
And where is he now?
Vla> And I was right. More than a million computers per year of sale...
Let's just say he was in the right place at the right time :) Even these sales
slowed down, because a certain brilliant manager overestimated the strength of his company.
Vla> What do you think, the queen awarded him a peerage in vain? He
Vla> glorified Britain.
What? This is comparable to the title of Stakhanovite, nothing more. And then, the same queen
gave him a kick in the ass in the program to equip English schools with computers in
face of the ministries.
I think so, if our craftsmen had cloned in due time, let’s say MSX, everything would be right now
prayed on MSX and no one would even think about Sinclair's genius.
Hello andrews
and> It was not by chance that I raised the question on this forum about Sir's "comrades-in-arms"
and> Clive, one of those offended by this “first-class” manager left
and> a competing company, which then equipped British (and non
and> only) schools with their own computers...
That's not the point at all. Looking at both machines (BBC Micro and ZX Spectrum
48K) it is impossible not to notice the better TX of the BBC Micro.
and> and we also now ultimately owe them our mobile phones and
and> smartphones, since ARM appeared at one time, including their
and> initiative...but they did not give it to the Poles, unlike Sir Sinclair
and> demolish our computers...and we owe everything to the Poles :)
We only owe the Poles crookedly broken software. Not a single Polish clone (they
were there at all?) did not become the basis of any Soviet. Another interesting question
thanks to whom did TR-DOS come to the attention of Soviet circuit designers?
Hello, Vladimir Kladov
Vla> Speech recognition. Without special hardware that will make FFT -
Vla> the programmer will not do anything. You look at the frequency of the AY signal. And
Vla> how can this be solved programmatically, without hardware? No way. At least 4, at least
Vla> Connect 64 percent Z80 together.
Vla> By the way, my proposal to make hardware for
Vla> support for 256 mode in hardware. That's all you need - 8 percent and 9 times
Vla> more memory. Well, in logic there is something to be done. Then they told me: no
Vla> is real. Now you can see what is real?
There are many algorithms that were written with “cool” hardware in mind.
will be unable to work on anything less than weak, I think an example
what you cited is unsuccessful, since I can just as well say that for
For real-time calculations of nuclear reactions, four 8-bit
processor, the only question is who will do it on them :)
It’s not enough to make percentages on a board, so truecolor can be done with 24 percents,
the most important thing in this matter is to get them to work together normally and not
reduce the complexity of software development beyond the reach of
everyday level... I would also advise you to listen to “others” as little as possible, otherwisethere will be Mikhalkov's poem "elephant painter"
Hello andrews
and> and this is closer to the path of Spectrum development that I support
and> I...a specialized board with an ARM9+DSP chip in one bottle for you
and> will help :)
Contact the Ectaco company, they will like your way, although they already seem to have
there is something, their “translators” are quite good
Hello icebear
ice> It is with the last idea that the title of manager can be safely taken away
ice> back (turning a blind eye to previous failures with deliveries during the period
ice> takeoff).
Come on, really... The whole problem is that he may not be a genius, and not
he may even be a manager and a mediocrity... only with you and I everything is much better
sadder..
Hello icebear
ice> No, the whole problem is the subjectivity of your assessment of the work
ice> Sviridova :) I’m not defending him, but thanks to him I found out who it was
ice> we must really idolize and be grateful for the Spectrum and
ice>happy childhood.
Yes, Sviridov surprised me, he worked painstakingly :) .. To be honest, I
I was never interested in the history of the creation of the Spectrum and found out about its creator
from an old magazine like Computer (I think it only came out in a couple of issues)
where the photo and article were posted in the year 90.. I’ve always been surprised
such a passion for learning as much as possible about the developer :) .. and
Sviridov somehow dug so deep :) which is even surprising... but it’s a reason
know who Sviridov is.. I don’t argue :) as they say “you can’t do something
smart yourself, tell me that the rest are stupid")))
Hello icebear
ice> And where is he now?
ice> I think so, if our craftsmen had cloned MSX in due time, everything would have been done
ice> right now they were praying for MSX and no one would even think about genius
ice> Sinclair.
But I liked the 1801VM1.. it’s a pity that DEC died.. cool architecture..
they can grunt a lot here, but everything is like Chernomyrdin “they grunted well, but
everything turned out as always,” but if the crack hadn’t been followed by a flood of software,
which, as you noticed, has been actively developed almost since the advent of
platform, which shows that the most important task is to interest
development companies in releasing software for a new computer was carried out by Sinclair, and
this is clearly not the merit of designers and electronics engineers...
Hello Raydac
Ray> to Ectaco
thank you, but Elcus also likes my way :)
Hello Raydac
Ray> it's a pity that DEC died.. cool architecture
take MSP430 and revive it :)
Hello, Vladimir Kladov
Vla> Speech recognition.
and this is closer to the path of Spectrum development that I support
I...a specialized board with an ARM9+DSP chip in one bottle will help you :)
Hello, Vladimir Kladov
Vla> This problem cannot be solved only by software
actually the difference between hard and software after receiving a digitized signal
only in performance... if you are talking about neuristors, then here I am... in Russia
It’s not so easy to find an office...everything has flown to Israel
Hello andrews
Thank you very much for the oak firmware to whoever sent it! :v2_clapp:
Hello andrews
About acorns? threads
http://zx.pk.ru/showthread.php?t=3622
and here
http://zx.pk.ru/showthread.php?t=3633
who has info please continue the topic, I’m still looking for images from Acorn
their operating systems on the internet were all trashed by evil people
Hello andrews
Israelis have the fastest DSPs in the world and an excellent school... not to mention
staff, most of whom speak Russian :)
Hello icebear
ice> in the program for equipping English schools with computers
It was no coincidence that I raised the question on this forum about Sir Clive’s “companions”, one
those offended by this “first-class” manager went to a competing company,
which then equipped British (and not only) schools with its computers... and
We also now ultimately owe them our mobile phones and smartphones,
since ARM appeared at one time, including on their initiative... but they did not
unlike Sir Sinclair, they allowed the Poles to commune their computers... and we are obliged
to all the Poles :)
Hello Raydac
regarding speech recognition: if you are talking about the “new grail” of Israeli engineers,
then apart from the information that commercial use is still far away, nothing yet
It’s impossible to find out. I think it's a duck. This problem cannot be solved only by software, and
point. You need a phase analyzer and a phase demodulator made in hardware.
The software we currently have can only analyze in real time
amplitude. This is a dead end.
Hello, mishutka
In fact, he was lucky. But in my opinion, the only thing is that, unlike others
designers, he chose the goal - low cost. And I was right. More than a million
computers for the year of sale... What do you think, the queen awarded him in vain
peerage? He brought glory to Britain.
Hello, Vladimir Kladov
Vla> And we hear speech and recognize speech, no matter who pronounces it, in
Vla> the widest range, thanks precisely to the brain’s ability to process
Vla> phase. No brains will solve this problem for a long time, until
Vla> a hardware _phase_ analyzer and demodulator will appear, neither Russians,
Vla> neither Israeli.
I had to work with speech parsing and synthesis devices implemented in
According to the slow Svetian logic, the technology coped with its functions quite well. What
concerns speech synthesis "Govorun", then I would like to recall the program for
BK-0010, developed as part of an order from the Society of the Blind by Yuri Zaltsman
(if I'm not mistaken), which managed to hang as a resident driver in memory
and read (quite legibly and intelligibly) through the speakers using PWM (1 bit
output to a tape recorder) text from the main program appears on the screen, and this
on a computer with 0.3 MIPS and 16 kBt of RAM. So the equipment will not replace brains otherwise
the west would already be paradise, but the fact is that powerful hardware relaxes the developer
not inversely proportional, but in degree and competent decisions become not
just rare, but unique.
Hello andrews
and> thank you, but Elcus also likes my way :)
Well, write it down for the future just in case :) otherwise you never know
Hello Raydac
Ray> Well, write it down for the future just in case :) otherwise you never know
no need to croak...I don’t want anything like that...prosper...realize what
whatever you want...all creativity is good
Hello Raydac
the speech synthesis problem is solved...see matlab...another matter if necessary
synthesize the emotional speech of a very specific person...or speech according to
remains, the voices of which have not been preserved in the form of recordings... this is certainly not the case
in phase :|
It’s difficult to analyze speech not because of the phase, but because of the rapidly changing
spectral characteristics (if you need to analyze in real
time)...download WavePad or something like that and
experiment with noise and other things (there are white and pink generators
noise and tons of all sorts of filters)... and in general on the Internet it’s crazy
sources...start digging the television systems forum
Hello andrews
It’s just that the difference in performance is not orders of magnitude, but several orders of magnitude. Here we go
everything. DSP processors, as far as I know, help analyze frequency, and
clean or modify frequencies. But not a phase. (Although I may be wrong,
I just couldn’t find out anything more detailed on the Internet). And we hear speech and
we recognize speech, no matter who pronounces it, in the widest range, thanks to
namely the brain's ability to process phase. No amount of brains can move this
problem for a long time until a hardware _phase_ analyzer appears and
demodulator, neither Russian nor Israeli.
What is there about recognition if they still haven’t come up with a method for synthesis?
there is nothing more decent in speech than having a speaker dictate a speech, building it from pieces
phoneme dictionary, and then try to put it all together. Speed is nowhere
It worked, but the quality... By the way, there was also such a device for spec.