"CHIMERA" - a real concept in ZX-building
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Hello, Black_Cat
IMHO with a mobile phone is not realistic, without having a whole institute of programmers and tons
money over your shoulder. =)
Hello ASDT
There are a lot of laptops ;) but everything depends on the cheap display.
Hello, Black_Cat
For the sake of “playing”, an emulator is really better. And the proposed concept has
poor complexity/need ratio. Easier than a ready-made project on an automated workstation
use...
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> Do not confuse interface bandwidth with device traffic.
Bla> Or is your USB mouse superior in performance to a hundred ZX?
Why does a mouse need USB, especially 2.0? This interface only makes sense
as a peripheral and also primarily for Flash-Drive. And here it is just for
version 2.0 and 48Mb/s makes sense.
IMHO For PS/2 mouse and USB for Flash-Drive (if the protocol is implemented
USB-Storage also for CD/DVD). In addition, to keep a fully functional USB
With at least one client, I think a lot of code needs to be written (or borrowed)
Hello, Black_Cat
The question is, who will be in charge of transferring the whole thing via USB? In my opinion
bringing ZX to modern standards is alexfeed - already partially
demonstrated. There's just a little bit of small stuff to throw on the LCD controller and
ready. The fee will be less than that of a palm tree, the main place will be occupied by nests.
True, there is a nuance; the fee there is not for LUT.
Hello ASDT
ASD> "Gentlemen, please do not clutter the section"
ASD> Is this about yourself? Self-critical... :)
ASD> Read others, a lot has already been said...
Guys, let's treat each other with respect!
Well, what is it: either a spherical horse, or a mouse with performance :mad; ...;
and then you are offended that you were deleted.
Solar activity probably has that effect :).
We write to the point: a person suggested a specific thing - let’s disassemble it and not
go to the astral plane! :v2_smoke:
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> Platform development is bringing it into line with requirements
Bla> technical progress.
A somewhat controversial point :).
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> Offtopic, also inattentive reading.
Well, that's it, another Lennon.
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> Platform development is bringing it into line with requirements
Bla> technical progress.
Is this from the Great Soviet Encyclopedia? I understood correctly that if I am on the board
Leningrad 1990, I will replace all discrete elements with their SMD analogues - I
Will I develop the platform immediately?
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> Timing-independent separation of the computing part and video processor
Bla> was not invented by me, but was implemented in the Novosibirsk scheme
Bla> Spectrum.
And this is the only clone branch that had something like a "dual port"
memory. And the materiel is a ZX Spectrum 48. But from your answer I don’t know anything
I didn't understand. Will VK and Z80 work asynchronously with memory or what? I really don't
That’s exactly what I meant, but it’s also interesting to hear the answer to this question.
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> The CPU used to write/read to the ports of the video processor, keyboard, and audio
Bla> synthesizer and serial port, will now write/read to
Bla> ports for connecting the USB port interface chip.
This is interesting, of course, but how does this affect spec architecture?
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> USB port interface chip.
100%!!!!!!!!!!!!
Who will write and read bytes in the microcosm and then push them into the right places,
That's what I'm talking about, the USB mikruha itself holds the protocol at the physical level and
minimally on logical. Here we need a more specific description of the idea.
Hello, Black_Cat
“And although I’m not the first to touch it, I don’t want to turn it into a booth.”
So read what they wrote... Otherwise it turns out to be a farce.
Hello, CHRV
CHR> I cleaned up the offtopics a little here!
Well, of course, CHRV came and...
CHR> If you have any objections, write to me in a personal message!
Any objections, darling? You are a moderator - you know better.
3.... 2.... 1.... delete....
Hello, CHRV
CHR> It's just a really hackneyed topic
I agree, the topic of “reincarnation” of the Spectrum is really hackneyed, but
nostalgically attractive :)
And although I’m not the first to touch it, I don’t want to turn it into a booth.
Judging by the fact that there is still no real ZX mobile platform - everything
previous attempts ended in failure, i.e. what can be done -
rather, no one needs it (for such and such money), but what is in demand is not there.
In the absence of a clear concept and understanding of what is in demand now and where it is needed
to develop - this is not surprising (about amateurism - a hobby for the soul, I don’t
I say - this is a self-sufficient case).
My concept is not separate isolated fragments with which I can’t
for the first time they advise you to get acquainted (I follow many trends in ZX construction
years), and a set of requirements capable of making the ZX mass again
computer. Not a single amateur development has yet been anything like this
possessed.
Conclusion: this concept is viable, the rest are stillborn monsters.
Hello, Black_Cat
Here's from Yandex for general development
of the computer.
Computer architecture - logical organization, structure and resources
computers that a programmer can use. Architecture defines
operating principles, information connections and interconnection of basic
logical nodes of the computer.
Architecture includes:
- description of user programming capabilities;
- description of the command system and addressing system;
- memory organization, etc.
Hello hero
I cleaned up the offtopics a little here!
If you have any objections, write to me in a personal message!
BlackCat would like to write more on the merits, no need to get stuck in
showdown. And what is off-topic, let me decide!
It's just a really hackneyed topic, please study previous similar topics.
:cool:
Hello, alexeenko
ale> Where to buy ?
These are the requirements for a full-featured mobile device, i.e. at a price up to
At $100-130 it should be in demand. At a higher price, few people will find it
needed. I’m explaining this in case it’s not clear that this topic is about the concept and not about
specific device costing $100-130.
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> 1) Yes, not everything is simple with mobile phones - their manufacturers usually do not
Bla> allow you to load software into them from flash drives and restrict access in every possible way
Bla> third-party software for mobile. Obviously for the benefit of the user - like
Bla> there will be no viruses, etc. Although recently there was a mobile phone in some review
Bla> which allowed all this (not a smartphone) - you need this type. Now
Bla> there are few of them, but progress does not stand still :) ;
Bla> 2) New mobile phones usually have USB, this is a standard for mobile
Bla> devices, according to it they work both as modems and as a flash drive;
Bla> 3) The host is ZX;
Bla> 4) Mobile is not necessary. Mobile is optimal in this case
Bla> application from the user's point of view - you already carry it with you all the time
Bla> by herself, and there is no need to carry any extra weight, she lives for a long time from
Bla> one battery charge, it has a music synthesizer and
Bla> full color display. But no one forbids connecting to a PDA,
Bla> smartphone, flash player with a screen (if you can hack it), orBla> laptop finally. The question is expediency - if productivity
Bla> of the device used as the head of the Chimera allows
Bla> run the emulator without brakes - then there’s no need to fence the garden. A
Bla> mobile performance is low, but for emulation
Bla> video processor should be enough.
One thing I don’t understand is why mobile spec and mobile spec? Mobile that can usb
and the software can be loaded from the outside, it can (spec) emulate it if desired and without a body kit.
the speck disappears here. and how do you imagine a spec-sized-mobile
connected to another mobile? Should I build a docking station for each model? Or on
wiring? ABOUT! BlueTooth! Exactly.
Why does my PDA need another PDA in the form of a spec? I'll launch the emulsion.
mini laptop without screw and fdd, with cf and mmc cards - quite interesting
solution, and if you still dream, you can also add gsm-gprs-edge modules there
shove =)
Otherwise, buy a TFT Chinese TV and put spec into it - wow, your dream is in a friendly
the cartoon will be implemented ;))) :v2_biggr:
Hello, Black_Cat
Well I can't stand it :)
Mobile phones are a USB terminal device and they also need a HOST; besides, not all mobile phones
have a USB port.
I already see a “smart” idea in response that you can use a USB data cable :)
PS And I also see a remark - Otftopic does not concern the topic: v2_lol; :v2_lol:;
:v2_lol:
Hello, acidrain
aci> Or on wiring?
1) USB connection is best wired, it is easier to adapt for different
devices.
2) No blue teeth - this is not very realistic.
3) It’s written above about the PDA - at least read what you’re quoting.
4) There is nothing in the concept about GPRS, if you want to put forward your concept - not in
this topic.
5) Go to the "Emulators" section and see how fast ZX emulators work on
phones.
Hello, Black_Cat
"Wires, at least delve into what you are proposing. Then criticize me for what
I don't read nonsense carefully"
Stop responding to nonsense! This is a provocateur!
He's kind of kidding, what does the title of his thread mean?
Hello, Black_Cat
> Go to the "Emulators" section and see how fast ZX emulators work
> on phones. I looked - it's slow, you can't play dynamic games
So the whole problem is that the phones are slow? then the "coprocessor" will not help much,
because the main time of the emulation cycle is spent on generating the image
(hundreds of kilobytes) from a small Spectrum screen. rather, on the contrary, because
synchronization losses such an accelerator will give a negative result
it is not difficult to calculate that usb 1.1 without compression is enough (in real time) with a very
a small reserve only for multicolor effects without sound. about pixel by pixel
border effects can be forgotten, so fans of real hardware will
disappointed. if the mobile phone has USB 2.0, it will have enough megahertz to full
zx emulation
The problem with emulators on phones is that there are no native development tools
(C/assembler), one java. I have little idea how j2me will be in real time
download data from usb to the screen when it can’t even cope with Spectrum emulation.
if you have a mobile phone with usb 2.0 in mind, think about what to write software for
"chimeras", is it really on a toad?
Hello, Black_Cat
@Black_cat:
Do you have a PDA? What about the keyboard for it? so if it were, you would know how uncomfortable it is
knees without a sensible stand for a PDA. Wires, at least understand what
you offer. then criticize me for not reading the nonsense carefully.
There will be no sense from the Spectrum in this form. why not connect a person?
to those in need of your Spectrum
prefix-horseradish-knows-what-does-apparently-get-fucking-just. For what. think for yourself.
Why should I spend 100-130 USD? it is not known what. First you need to answer
The question is why do you personally or me or everyone need Spectrum at all?
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> there is no mention of the concept in any of the "old" topics
Bla> mobile ZX - buildings)
http://zx.pk.ru/showthread.php?t=3313
http://zx.pk.ru/showthread.php?t=3115
http://zx.pk.ru/showthread.php?t=2045&highlight=pda
Well, apparently your search didn’t yield anything, I helped you. Read. There's both the concept and
real attempts to implement a mobile device.
And also try to look at many Western and Chinese attempts to implement
mobile, I quote, retro gaming computer in our time.
http://www.vesalia.de/?V02b0f145357401075585a535208514e01101f054346501002180b48
0b457212087f766c34323e756e0c0a2c657f2e392c1c293b6c6428676c7b3a362d0719193a5b535
21176272e6a5e504e514a4f55016e3579460e5f594d1e6
and look at the price. no USB or connections to mobile phones or PDAs. Even having bought a TFT TV
You can fit such a joy within your price range.
And phones are gradually becoming hybrid devices, so very soon,
While you are still dreaming, there will be (and have been for several years now) capable phones
High-quality emulation of Spec, and even Amiga.
My friend, people make money on a joystick like this, mind you, without a usb.
I would buy such a spec myself (with some reservations). And I’m sure your chimera
that no. there is no solid concept and goal in your, sorry, childhood dreams.
Hello, Black_Cat
check out this idea (multi-headed HYDRA): assembling Z80 modules, controller
floppy drive with floppy drive connector, Spectrum keyboard/mouse, music
module with AY+GS, video controller with TV output (contains a PAL encoder) and
to VGA (contains a scandabler). for especially ardent fans a megabyte module
memory on RU5 (RU6 in severe cases). each module has a USB2.0 interface and
sticks into the pussy. the missing modules can be emulated for now, but then
will definitely need to be collected. here it is, platform DEVELOPMENT - freedom
creativity, replaceability of components, etc. ^__^
this is much more powerful than some pathetic chimera
Hello, acidrain
aci> uncomfortable on knees without a proper stand for your PDA
1) Change the PDA to a regular Spectrum or emulsion on a PC, why bother? :)
aci> And the keyboard for it?
2) You can connect a native ZX keyboard to the Chimera, by the way, the Chimera with keyboard
can be used as a keyboard emulator for a PDA :)
aci> why connect a person who doesn’t need your Spectrum
aci> prefix-horseradish-knows-what-doing-apparently-getting-just. Why.
3) The answer is in your question - at least read what you write, or you are “reading nonsense”
inattentively"? :)
Hello, acidrain
Thanks for the idea of "Hydra" :biggrin;
Especially; I liked this link:
aci> http://zx.pk.ru/showthread.php?t=3313
The man was not too lazy to even give a link to a humorous story - strong
tramp!!! Well done! :smile;
It's a pity; I just haven’t learned to read messages carefully, but nothing - with
this will come in years :smile; ,; and that might actually be something sensible
I could please you. :biggrin;
Thank you; for the links and your attention :smile; .; For my part I want to say,
that I carefully looked through the headings “Hardware”, “Emulators”, and “Miscellaneous” (on
just in case) and in his “retrospective” he pointed out only the topics as much as possible
close ones, i.e. the best (from my point of view) but I wasn’t going to give links
for EVERYTHING (the authors of all the others will forgive me, but for the sake of example it was enough
give one link). To avoid any misunderstandings in the future, I have highlighted
In the "retrospective" message, the necessary sisters are in bold.
And the last thing - gentlemen, party-goers, the topic was not created for a party, they write here
just to the point, don’t waste my time with such answers, remember that he
whoever wants to organize a booth here will be a jester in this same booth. I hope for
constructive in the future.
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> The man was not too lazy to even provide a link to a humorous story -
Bla> strong tramp!!! Well done!
Bla>
;) I made you laugh, clown! You can still contact me, I will help you. I'll poke my nose into
what you write is so that you can at least start thinking.
> It’s a pity that I just haven’t learned to read messages carefully, but
> nothing - this too will come over the years, otherwise it may actually be something
> I could please the sensible ones.
I wonder what exactly you think I missed that was important from your
messages. Now, gather your strength and give reasons for your worthless statement.
Next, do you even read what they write to you? Well, how about the c64 in joystic form? Not
impressed? Here's your thesis:
"none of the "old" topics contain any mention of the concept of a mobile ZX -
buildings"
What does this mean? Those. besides what you mentioned - there is no smell
mobility?
> I hope you will be constructive in the future.
And I hope for your super intelligence and constructiveness in posing the question,
expressing your goals and motivations. Next, think about it, maybe you just can’t
express your thoughts, let alone write?
Respond constructively to everything I wrote to you about convenience, necessity andalready existing mobile solutions of retro computers. Then express yourself more clearly and
Your project and concept are more appropriate. Then maybe to your smart ones
words I will listen to, but for now - nonsense and nonsense, snot and screams, aunty has candy in
the sandbox was often taken away? =)
Hello, acidrain
Stop throwing diarrhea at each other, a person wants to attach a spec to his mobile, let him
does not interfere, better help, and it won’t turn out like this, to hell with him with the speck, I
I want a MINI ITX spec format, I’m sitting and drawing up a circuit diagram and the scarf has enough patience
I’ll finish it, no, to hell with it too, there’s no need to interfere or treat here, spit in
somewhere else
Hello, dim
I finish the diarrhea, I demand the same from my opponent. answers to the questions asked
I'm waiting too.
Hello, L.D.
LD> Only with the first point it will now work only when the average price is PC
LD> will grow to at least $2000.
LD>
Be sure to go to the upcoming SS2006 and BG representatives will explain to you that
after joining the WTO, using unpaid software is the same as not
pay taxes.
Hello, Black_Cat
I read it and smiled. The real concept is when a competitor's computer costs as much as
how much the population does not have. In '98 Scorp took it for 300 rubles. But I didn’t have $500.
Later they appeared and not only for me. And the concept ceased to be real.
And even if you now make a Chimera and roll it back for 300 rubles, it’s still “not
will be a real concept." Since everyone who finds out about it is on a PC
internet :-)
ZX once became very popular due to four criteria:
- price availability,
- availability of programming,
- availability of hard extension,
- being in the flow of technological progress.
Everything is absolutely true. Only with the first point it will now work only when
the average price of a PC will rise to at least $2000.
By the way, this is constructive, not destructive.
Hello andrews
Let's go :) And about the WTO, maybe yes. But it seems like China is in the WTO, and yet
Is there no less Varez there than here?
Hello, L.D.
LD> The main thing is to make a PC emulsion, otherwise it will be inconvenient to climb the forum
and what does this have to do with it? a browser with support for major scripting languages can be made
on anything
Hello andrews
We'll get to the point, don't worry.
The main thing is to make a PC emulsion, otherwise it will be inconvenient to climb the forum :)
Hello andrews
and> what does this have to do with it? browser with support for major scripting languages
and> can be done on anything
Gentlemen, we are finishing offtopic.
Hello, L.D.
LD> Only with the first point it will now work only when the average price is PC
LD> will grow to at least $2000.
Happiness is not at a price. ZX is affordable and there is quite a wide interest in it
quite possible because it has quite decent software content. Main
the barrier is its isolation from the trends in the development of information
technologies even at the hard level (not to mention the software level - TCP/IP, etc.) -
there is no available modern interface for storing and transmitting information,
The reliability of monstrous ZX clones is inversely proportional to the amount of powder.
As a result, there is a terrible inconvenience in operation that will scare away anyone who
I’ve already tried working with PCs or game consoles. ZX does not enjoy wide
popular not because it is bad compared to PC, but because it is inconvenient in
operation. For ZX you need now:
- convenient, modern user interface,
- convenient, modern data storage interface,
- convenient standard, modern information exchange interface,
- reliability of hardware and standardization (even by refusing support
development of monstrous clones).
All! To begin with, you don’t need anything else - this is the basis on which you can build
some kind of development. This is what the ZX platform needs first and foremost, and not at allselection of new NeDoPiSaurs. Now any effort directed NOT
to create a basis - not only NOT useful, but also HARMFUL for the platform and those who
are working in this direction - in fact, they are working on its destruction, because
that time is wasted and people are distracted who could be doing what
really useful. All ambitious plans are now being forged in secret
forges - nothing more than mirages over the sand, because without a foundation, there is nothing on the sand
You can’t build anything other than mirages.
Time is against ZX.
Hello skyther
sky> What do you mean by this?
Everything related to information exchange interfaces is in the Chimera concept.
In terms of the user interface - this is software - it is not discussed in this topic, but it
needed - friendly, intuitive.
Regarding the data storage interface - from the old developments, only IDE can be left
exclusively for CF and then as a separate controller - for amateurs.
FDD - only for a landfill, HDD - small ones can’t be found, and a large one can be used by 5-10%
stupid, and the very concept of the ZX as a full-length desktop (or tower) -
inherently flawed.
I repeat once again - the time of tube computers covered with wet rags and
input from punched tape has passed, no one needs such reliability and convenience now, but
in ZX nothing has changed in this regard over the past 15 years, and has even gotten worse,
because development has moved forward, but the ZX-structure is still stuck at the stage
monster-building.
The ideology of the ZX structure now should be - CONVENIENCE AND RELIABILITY if it
claims to be a home computer as it was originally intended.
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> ...convenient, modern interface...
What do you mean by this?
Hello, L.D.
LD> Sales market? Who are these people, ZX-Spectrum-2 users?
There was no talk about ZX-Spectrum-2, architecture 48 and 128 are enough to start with.
Who needs such a computer? Do a little analysis - how much in
the average family of computers? As a rule - 1RS. How many members
Do families use it? Most, at least more than one. What is it for?
used? Ira, office, internet, movies, music, books. In advanced
resource-intensive games are played mainly from the age of 10-12, before that they play typically
Spectrum games, in addition, overworked adult family members like
usually relax with such primitives as solitaire, tetris, worms, miner,
mahjongg, dominoes, lines, etc. are typical Spectrum tasks. About music and
books is a moot point, otherwise it’s easier not to use the Spectrum. Home
Spectrum class computer - needed now. It has a consumer niche. But
its implementation should be small-sized, and certainly not desktop - this is
The mass user doesn’t need it, he won’t buy it.
LD> will be taken care of by ATM vendors...
:smile; :smile:; :smile; I; I’m not pitting one concept against another. ATM
was created when such a concept made sense, now it is morally
is outdated and does not pretend to be a leader, and its 3-5 consumers per year
will always find it at any time. Another question is what to develop the conceptdesktop does not make sense, and the fact that ATM is still being produced is very good. even
well, if KAY and Scorpion were still preserved like this, it would be absolutely wonderful.
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> NeDoPiSi-saurs. Now every effort is NOT aimed at creating
Bla> basis - not only NOT useful, but also HARMFUL for the platform and those who
Bla> are working in this direction - in fact, they are working on it
Bla> destruction, because time is lost and people who are distracted
Bla> could do something that is really useful.
If this is getting personal, then keep an eye on the market :)
These people will somehow decide for themselves what they want to do. and not with your chimeras
(def. Nemo) decide what a basis is. For example, you... don’t do them - but they -
THEY DO!
LD> But what if ATM vendors take care of it...
well, not everyone there is ATM people :)
Hello, L.D.
LD> But what if ATM vendors take over it...? What will be the attitude
LD> have this car to ZX? Pegasos owners now have a similar problem.
As I see it, the idea is again being cultivated that Turbo2+ is not a Spectrum
clone I'll have to upset you with Turbo2+ because it is a clone of the ZX-Spectrum,
but in addition to the default 48 and 128 ZX modes, it has the ability to install any
page to any memory window. And it has three additional video modes.
And almost all software for ZX (except for those written for crooked clones and crooked
ported) will work on Turbo2+. And not just work, but his
can be stored on your hard drive.
Those. everything that was written here about the creation of new video modes and other things is already
implemented, but now it is classified as “not a Spectrum clone”. You guys are on your own
at least you know what you need. :v2_finge:
Hello, L.D.
LD> conversation about the reincarnation of the old ZX in new hardware + portability +
LD> body kits?
:smile; :smile:; :smile; Subject; entitled "Concept" and in it
only concept and ideology are discussed - that which should precede any
development. The specific way to implement the concept is not covered in this topic,
although outlined in general terms. This topic is for understanding: “Where
move and how, now and for the future." Thoughtless movement is harmful ("Sleep of the mind
creates monsters.." :smile; :smile:; ). Unfortunately, the modern ZX is
the structure reminds me of a chicken whose head was blown off with a saber while running, and
already a lifeless corpse, continues to run at the expense of the accumulated energy during life
speed. Where? For what? Who knows? - no head :smile; .; I understand that
For a creative person, the desire to sculpt something like that is worse than bondage. But maybe
Before this act of creation, should we pause and think a little? Find
with common efforts the path leads at least not to a dead end. Decide, work out
standards, coordinate actions. After all, the same open source can do this
Linux and many others. They develop their topic because they have created
organized structure, and in the ZX - structure - some go to the forest, some pick mushrooms, but everything
definitely in Napoleons - how to do the preparatory work,creating some kind of incomprehensible structure is not prestigious, it’s better to push it
something unprecedented like “gazebos to the skies, and so that the bridge goes all the way to
St. Petersburg" :smile; .; For what? Who needs it? Who knows? -
Manilovism, she is not burdened with such thoughts. The main thing is to start immediately
build, but what to build? - let’s build it - so we’ll find out what they built and then we’ll do it
the whole world is racking their brains as to how this miracle can be adapted and agreed upon - what
clearly demonstrates the entire history of the (post &) Soviet ZX - structure (typically
By the way, dear Soviet mentality - we dig a hole in the morning, in the evening -
digging - why? - who thinks? - the main thing is the process, not the result :smile;
).; It’s time to organize somehow if this is serious, otherwise even though everyone “wants
what’s best”, but it turns out “as always” :smile; .;
LD> think about a completely original machine, say, on a processor
LD> ARM9
Yes, on anything, even on demons of the 4th kind, if it satisfies
specifications - that means this is what you need.
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> There was no talk about ZX-Spectrum-2, architecture 48 and is enough to start with
Bla> 128.
Bla>
I’m actually slowing down, so that means we’re talking about the reincarnation of the old ZX in the new one
hardware + portability + body kit?
And *this* is an offer to buy for fat and world-weary PC owners who
Have you seen DooM-3 and are used to downloading movies via a dedicated network?
How's a low-cost solitaire platform?
No... this is a magical way.
I am in favor of thinking about a completely original car, say,
ARM9 processor. Which would be easy to learn/use like
Spectrum. If this isn't what this thread is about, I'm packing my suitcase :)
Hello, CHRV
CHR> As I see it, here again the idea is being cultivated that Turbo2+ is not
CHR> Spectrum clone.
I perhaps expressed myself crookedly, but it should be understood in the wrong way: v2_happy;
There was; in view of the fact that if someone (for example ATM people) makes Spectrum clones, these
The cars are rightly called Sinclairs.
But here the concept of the new Spectrum is being discussed. My thought on this
this is - you can develop a sketch of architecture as good as you want, in
something similar to Specky and a cheap microcomputer that will be mobile,
moderately fast and easy to learn/use, but **it** won't
Sinclair.
And I dragged ATM workers here as the most likely producers (in the incredible
case :), and not in order to, God forbid, drive the barrel to the ATM people.... (!)
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> :smile; :smile:; :smile; Subject; entitled as "Concept" and in it
Bla> only the concept and ideology are discussed - what should be
Bla> precede any development. Specific implementation method
Bla> concepts are not touched upon in this topic, although they are indicated in general
Bla> features. This topic is for understanding: “Where to move and how,
Bla> now and for the future." Mindless movement is harmful
There is such a “top-down” design ideology in programming. So,
in a more or less non-trivial task this stops working so that there is no
declared vile theorists and textbook authors. In most cases
“go down to the details”, then “rush upward”, then again the details,
details, details... Everything seems to be fine in theory, but it turned out that I’m already 3
They can’t answer for hours about consumable media, even though we’re on the forum...
What does this mean? Something was missed at the stage of thinking about the spherical horse.
This refers to your first posts, Black_Cat.
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> Yes, on anything, even on demons of the 4th kind, if that happens
Bla> satisfy the specifications - that means this is what is needed.
If so, then let's actually take a look at the initial conditions...
Bla> - price availability,
Bla> - programming availability,
Bla> - availability of hard extension,
Bla> - being in the stream of technological progress.
Bla>
Bla> What is the “stream” of modern technical progress expressed in? Briefly
Bla> it can be characterized as follows - universal mobility + connection of everything with
Bla> everyone. Mobility predetermines low power consumption, and communication -
Bla> availability of fast unified data transfer interfaces.
As I understand it, this is the core of your thoughts. I completely agree, nothing
object. What else is there to think about?!
It's time to get specific.
Stop being smart like Nemo. I didn't mention ARM9 because it's mine
fetish I learned about this percentage from a CHRV post on some forum yesterday. This
a really cheap device (about 300 rubles), in addition, there are no problems with
energy consumption/heat dissipation. The set of instructions is really small, codersmay not worry.
Bla> Implementation options:
Bla>
Bla> 1. Full-featured device:
Bla> - the presence of a keyboard, joystick, display and speaker;
Bla> - downloading software via USB from a flash drive;
Bla>
About booting via USB from a flash drive...
As I understand it, this is an echo of “that time”. Indeed, the original Specky
significantly reduced in price due to the use of third-party storage
data - mafon. That's right.
But until flash cards have dropped in price to the price of a pack of cigarettes (like floppy disks), such
the path ceases to be one and only.
This will work as an alternative to hard drives.
But you also need consumable media. Or is it not needed??? If needed, which one? No
like this. The CD-R does not roll, it is very cumbersome, + a problem with the block immediately appears
power... you can't get it out of batteries/household adapter.
Hello, L.D.
It can be simpler: v2_finge; ,;
let’s go back to childhood and imagine, everything was discussed here, it’s not clear from what place
the manufacturer came out, promoted it in magazines, released it and sold it among
citizens of the Russian Federation, one hundred thousand "ZX-Wookies", I bought one of them and now...
I needed software. Well, let's say I need a SQL DBMS for my small
business, which I won’t talk about. Let's even assume that such a program
"traders" on Juno have released and are selling with all their might.
How should I download software to my computer??? Give them (the “traders”) a flash drive to
flooded? Or buy a disk and run to work to transfer it to a USB drive in
your unfortunate ZX? Or maybe connect to the Internet via a USB modem directly from Wookiee, and
download for free with crack? That is, either it is unrealistic, or the user is tied to
networks (and accordingly, there will be no professional programmers on the platform -
(c)our beloved Skutin)?
Hello, L.D.
LD> Well, let's say I need a SQL DBMS
It is not intended for these tasks. See on topic
http://www.zx.pk.ru/showthread.php?t=3456&page=1&pp=10
Post 07/24/2006, 23:27
Hello, Black_Cat
For LD...
Revision 0.2 :)
Options for developing “new ZX hardware”:
1) PC emulator (miniPC of different types) for the ZX case
2.3) Development of a ZX emulator computer (modern processor)
Probably as a by-product of development for other purposes.
Minimizing hardware and consumption.
Otherwise, it’s more profitable than point 1
4) New implementation based on logic (“clone”) - “retro engineering”
5) Devices for existing "clones"
(Memory expansion up to 256k, etc.)
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> It is not intended for these tasks. See on topic
Bla> http://www.zx.pk.ru/showthread.php?t=3456&page=1&pp=10
Bla> Post 07/24/2006, 23:27
I don't insist :rolleyes:
Hello, L.D.
LD> But you also need consumable media.
There is no need to approach the task from behind. With the right approach this will not happen
question.
LD> top-down design ideology.. more or less
LD> non-trivial task.. stops working.. In most cases
LD> "go down to detail", then "rush upward", then again
LD> details, details, details...
This may occur, but only at the design stage. The concept is either
or it doesn't exist. The corrected concept is a different concept.
In the entire history of ZX-buildings in the territory of the ex-USSR, there were only three
ZX development concepts.
1) Concept of NedoPiSi - Nedorosshie Up to PC (not to be confused with NedoPC).
This is an architectural concept. I associate this concept with a joke
Soviet times: "Let's catch up and overtake capitalism, standing on the edge of the abyss!"
:smile; .; Modern adherents of this concept, on the one hand, strongly vilify
RS and dissociate themselves from them, and on the other hand, slavishly mold from their spec a certain
similar to RS. For what? - who knows :smile; .; At the dawn of computer civilization
this could still be understood somehow - few people could afford a PC, and work
it was necessary somehow - so they built it. Why do you need to develop these monsters?Now it’s a mystery, except perhaps as course work or a hobby. However,
the demand for them has dotted all historical i’s. How to this concept
treat now? - as an honored veteran and honorary pensioner
deserving a place of honor in a museum of rarities and nothing more.
2) Nemo concept.
This is an integral concept - unique in its kind. The essence of this concept is
spreading the concept throughout the entire product life cycle. But
its uniqueness lies in the fact that it was supposed to integrate such a concept
with the sociocultural environment. Those. the sociocultural embeddedness of the product was taken into account
even at the stage of market marketing, then the concept and ideology were developed
product, then came the design of the product architecture, the next step was
technology of product production, then - marketing of production support and
production, then marketing, sales and product promotion, then marketing
service and maintenance, then recycling and reuse
use. The main leitmotif of this concept was to release
"Computer For Man", which was fundamentally different from the ideology of "Computer for
something to sell and make money from.” But alas, even such global
Titans like Nemo were not free from the universal Sinclairite birthmark -
contrasting the Spectrum with the RS - for which he actually paid - the RS turned out to be
stronger :smile; .;3) Concept - Emulation.
Oddly enough, this concept may be historically older than the other two,
although not in specific application to the ZX. The first emulator I've ever used
I remember it was hardware - it was an IBM PC-XT clone with a motherboard
the second processor was the Z80, which emulated itself. At the same time, it was emulated
I don’t remember who, but definitely not ZX. I haven’t seen this monster in action, but the processors
they worked alternately and used common tires.
Emulation types:
-hardware (example above),
-hardware and software (part of the device is emulated, for example CPU or
video system),
-software (on any hardware platform);
Should the emulator be considered a Spectrum? The simplest classification is the black method
box. Those. if “it” looks like a Spectrum and works like a Spectrum, that means
this is the Spectrum :smile; .; What is the development of ZX here? A similar question - is there
is there life after death? :smile; .; Time will tell, but it seems to me that there is
:smile; .;
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> There is no need to approach the task from behind.
I don't see the problem. and by the way, it’s not just me.
Bla> With the right approach, this question itself will not arise.
Therefore your approach is wrong. The task is not formulated. We have to
guess for yourself. Criticism? So... you call it either destructive or
offtopic or flame.
No.....
I can guess by brute force. But this is fraught with the label flood.
Therefore, please clarify your thoughts. Maybe we're talking about the same thing
the same?
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> There is no need to approach the task from behind. With the right approach it won't be
Bla> of this question itself.
You are difficult to understand. The topic is purely entertaining... or not?
OK. If this is serious, then I’ll try to guess your train of thought myself:
“I’m very sorry that Specky’s computer, due to someone’s stupidity, didn’t receive
development. I won't do anything, but I have a very valuable thought, and here we are
Now, as a whole forum, we will conduct scientific research and give birth to something that will serve
computer manufacturers starting point. After this they will give birth
Specky computers, and all spektrumists will be fine, and I will no longer be
It's a shame."
So what's the challenge? What are you talking about?
Who will now make Speck in large series in Russia? This is actually
involves some legal difficulties. You must understand this.
Therefore, you are not talking about Specky as such, but about a completely new
a machine that embodies Specky's custom characteristics.
That's how I understood it from the very beginning. This is what interests me, and the rest is just
chat. Please clarify...
Hello, Black_Cat
I would like to focus on the ease of programming.
In my opinion this is:
a) closed architecture (and there are so few expansion boards that we can consider them
optional modules, mastering the entire list of which is not a problem)
b) the absence of levels of abstraction - these foreign standards that must be
teeth to know and use under pain of disqualification programming
On the issue of ease of use. In the spec it was like this:
a) turned it on and the system is ready
b) nothing threatens the integrity of the OS, neither a virus nor a power failure
c) The OS does not swell over time and does not change. She is a permanent module of the machine, such
same as processor
Plus, one more position from myself. This should be a machine unanimously accepted
the entire existing crowd. This is a very heavy stone.
Hello, L.D.
LD> I would like to draw attention to the provision on ease
LD> programming.
LD>
LD> In my opinion this is:
LD>
LD> a) closed architecture (and there are so few expansion cards that it is possible
LD> consider them optional modules, master the entire list of which
LD> no problem)
LD> b) the absence of abstraction levels - these foreign standards that
LD> must know by heart and use under penalty of disqualification
LD> programming
LD>
LD>
LD> On the issue of ease of use. In the spec it was like this:
LD>
LD> a) turned on and the system is ready
LD> b) nothing threatens the integrity of the OS, neither a virus nor a power failure
LD> c) The OS does not swell over time and does not change. She is a permanent module
LD> machines, the same as the processor
LD>
LD>
LD> Plus, one more position from yourself. It must be a carLD> unanimously accepted by the entire existing crowd. This is too heavy
LD> stone.
**addition**
This has already happened on the Amiga. It seems that the "New Amiga" - Pegasos - has been released, but in reality it is
It turned out to be an ordinary PC game and simply split the community.
Hello, L.D.
LD> Plus, one more position from yourself. It must be a car
LD> unanimously accepted by the entire existing crowd. This is too heavy
LD> stone.
It’s a little different, a few special activists are enough.
For example, when promoting our clone, we post it as a TI200x prize
- because the most active comrades from the point of view of scripture participate there
programs.
The result is a pyramid effect, now they are already interested in supporting our
enough clones. Max doesn't have time to test everything :).
Hello, Black_Cat
Damn, I thought my weed was good... And here it is, something to smoke
necessary!
In short, to make the whole world happy, get on the phone tomorrow and call
manufacturers of motherboards for pussies. Tell them to do them right away
built-in ZX (and why not a “concept”?). Offer a lot of money (forget that
you are not there so much - then they will appear). Also tell the BIOS manufacturers to do this
they did crap like switching to ZX mode; type; clicked where necessary
rebooted, and your screen showed “1982 Sinclair Research inc.” it came out...
Then it’s not a sin to throw boiling water!
PS; And; don't try to cross spec with other platforms
Hello, ilyaspb
ily> Was it not the idea of CHIMERAS that the gentlemen from Melkosoft used?
:smile; If; BG will start reading ZX forums - that means Linux has won, but BG has not
there is money left even for a PC with Home Edition pre-installed :smile;
AND; although ilyaspb’s post correlates very weakly with the topic under discussion, but
illustrates quite fully one of the trends in the development of the computer market, and
as already mentioned, “being in the stream of technological progress” is one of
criteria for product demand.
What caused such a stir among computer and software monsters? Answer
simple - searching for new markets. How can one not remember the classic ZX in this regard?
Nemo buildings; “So, today the highest priority development paths are as follows: 1.
Changing the range of tasks of the Spectrum platform. How through introduction to the masses
users of new areas of application of Spectrum and new techniques and areas
use, and by improving existing structures and areas
use. 2. Evolutionary, continuous development of the platform. With this
approach, the pace of development is determined not by the “sophistication” of the coolest
“monster” (and there have been a lot of them), but by the intensity of replacing outdated equipment.
Transition to new, more advanced standards and abandonment of old ones
exhausted. From a financial point of view, you can and should only do what is
Users are able to pay." (http://zx.pk.ru/showthread.php?p=53317#post53317 ) :smile;
Here; This very “change in the range of tasks” is what computer and software companies do
monsters from ilyaspb's post. This is what will be discussed in this post, but
in relation to the ZX platform.
First, let's analyze the circle of users of the ZX platform now and naturally
on the territory of the ex-USSR (all British and other Germans have nothing to do with us
do not have). If the overwhelming majority of users of "reals" at the dawn of ZX -
buildings were gamers of adolescence, moreover, very far from software and
hardware, now a significant, if not more, half are coders (under
ZX platform) and radio amateurs of all stripes (from shortwave and
ending with electronics engineers and systems engineers sculpting for themselves). By apt
In the same expression, Nemo is a kind of “orbital group of astronauts.” :smile;
Quite; The requests of this “orbital constellation” are also logical - more of everything.
Is this good or bad? Neither bad nor good is natural. It's stupid to suggest
for the Scorpion gamer with its monitor and other bells and whistles that make life easier
cracker and coder (thanks to Andryusha Larchenko - I made it for myself :smile; ); - this
a professionally sharpened machine, although put together somewhat thoughtlessly -
precisely according to the principle of “everything and more.” It’s clear who comes first
Pentagons are designed for demomakers, and certain bells and whistles here are also suitableplace - here you can also say there is professional sharpening of the device
(it’s a pity that the number of demomakers was not a problem). ATM and KAY perhaps
can be classified as a machine with a claim of wide application for advanced
users (although ATM is clearly not a mass machine). These are the most common
of more or less sophisticated machines, can, with certain reservations, be classified as
Professional group - i.e. machines that meet the requirements of "orbital
group of astronauts." What remains for non-advanced gamers and
did other koi lamers make up the bulk of ZX users? - but nothing -
who actually takes them into account? Attempts by Nemo - the only ZX in the industry -
buildings to produce "ComputerForHuman" were akin to the "Cold War" between
West and East - he had to compromise (at a loss to business and
the entire industry, wasting resources on a senseless arms race imposed
him by apologists for the "orbital group") between what really happened
needed by the mass user and those “high standards” that were imposed
by these apologists. Who won this Cold War - you know yourself - IBM
PC. "Orbital grouping" (the same as the Soviet "intelligentsia" in the USSR)
themselves, with their own hands, destroyed the ZX market (socialist camp and USSR) and freed it for
IBM PC (high Western legal ideals - protecting the rights of fagots, prostitutes,drug addicts and the triumph of cleanliness ideals). So, the current state of the industry
outlined: the bases of the ZX market pyramid (lamers and gamers) - no, everyone went to
RS, only one inch remains of the pyramid - the remains of the “orbital group” or something
never managed to get used to the PC and now and then spits in his direction, or
who wanted to advance, but could not withstand the competition among the RS and decided that
on the ZX it will be easier to become the “king of the top”, someone just out of love for homemade
creativity, and some even accidentally - because of a non-working job they got for free
ZX-piece of iron, which he instinctively like the Morlocks from Wells's "The Time Machine",
He immediately begins to fix it without even asking himself why he needs it.
:smile;
Question; life platforms - where to get them, how to attract them and how to cultivate them
ZX consumer who will create the base of the ZX market pyramid - mass
user.
This is where you need to think about “introducing new
areas of application of Spectrum and new techniques and areas of use" - i.e.
look for this “new mass user” not where he no longer exists (because
that he went to PC), and where he is, but he still does not suspect that ZX is for him
may be needed for something. Those. do what they actually do
computer and software monsters from ilyaspb's post - look for new markets.
About where to get it:The whole topic about "Chimera" consists of the idea of unconventional use of ZX - namely
in dividing ZX into independent, complete, scalable architecture
modules, in order to break away from the traditional use of ZX and
get access to those areas of application where ZX would still be used
nonsense. The minimum basic module should have been the processor unit
"Chimeras" (ZX-X) - a kind of low-power microcontroller with its own bus and
a set of expansion blocks. Why a low-power microcontroller?
Because one of the new areas of application of the ZX-X was supposed to be automation. B
The automation industry consumes a lot of controllers, but what does ZX have to do with it? -
any controller on PIC in most cases will give the ZX-X a head start in all
parameters. In mass production - yes, a slightly different picture with
single production: the cost of the PIC piece of hardware will again be less than
ZX-X, but the cost of a professional’s work to develop and debug it will be
tens of times higher than the cost of PIC, against this background the standard ZX-X module with
built-in basic and a set of standardized expansion blocks for
simplicity, low cost, time spent on creating simple machines will be in
many times cheaper, and in terms of power consumption it will be inferior to reasonable
limits. Such a controller and software for it will be able tosculpt any boy based on knowledge of a school computer science course and not a single PC
It won’t give it any such opportunities, even if it’s on Core1000.
:smile; What is it; one of the possible possible mass applications
such controllers? - not a mistake - precisely mass-produced single copies.
Now Intel is actively promoting the concept of "smart home", this concept in
The ZX-X fits perfectly as a peripheral controller precisely because of its
flexibility and on-the-fly customizability, which is important when building non-repetitive
systems Such a set of modules could become basic in computer science courses,
microprocessor technology and automation, as well as become basic in amateur
designs. What amateur, already having a base unit, would refuse the opportunity
increase it to a full Spectrum? Lots of opportunities for collaboration
working with other computers and phones. Yes, just using
ZX-X+keyboard+communication interface can at least emulate a remote
keyboard for mobile devices, which would more than cover the costs, because any
a remote keyboard for this class of devices costs absolutely incommensurable amounts
money. Promoting the ZX as a pair to the PC is a good way to promote it - many
who have one home PC toil with sharing access to it among family members, and on
another PC or there is no money, or there is simply nowhere to put it - in this case ZXwill be perceived simply as salvation. Another advantage of modularity
is that you can assemble a structure for specific needs and for
specific user, ranging from ZX48 for the undemanding gamer, and
ending with the most perverted ZX monster for “orbital constellation” tasks,
not to mention the fact that it is possible to provide for the possibility of replacing the standard
processor module with Z80 on board, per unit with anything on board, compatible
via external ports and interfaced in hardware, even with a different bus width if
such a possibility will be provided.
About what to attract:
Scalable for different tasks, ease of use, reliability.
About how to cultivate the ZX consumer;
There is no particular need to cultivate the “orbital grouping” - if there is a basis
consumer pyramid - it will grow on its own. But to form
the base of the consumer pyramid alone to any company or person is not
possible - example - Nemo. This requires the efforts of the entire ZX community, moreover
organized and coordinated efforts, which presupposes the presence
organization, which now does not exist and there is even no understanding that such a thing even happens. B
work to form the base of the consumer pyramid is the main focus
must be done for educational institutions and for the promotion of ZX as the 1st homea computer for "youths", and it is imperative to promote it as a pair for
RS and in no way oppose one to the other, but rather form
taking this couple for granted.
Hello, Black_Cat
Shadows of thoughts begin to slip through the streams of delirium...
"promotion of ZX as the first home computer for "youths"
I formulated it differently - the ZX is now a “toy”/“children’s” computer,
no more...
Hello, CHRV
CHR> Ask a question to the point. The author of the topic insists on excessive
CHR> deleting “unnecessary” messages, I really don’t want to do this...
Has the author already been hysterical towards you in the PS? However, you need to learn this from the author :)
Hello ASDT
ASD> I formulated it differently - ZX is now a “toy”/“children’s” computer
ASD> no more than ...
To master the basics of computer and digital technology and the basics of programming, the most
TO
Hello, CHRV
Sent to... in impeccably correct form :)
It’s just not clear what we came to, it started out that ZX is more than a toy and after
stream of difficult to read messages (by the time you finish reading you forget what was in
at the beginning :)) we came to the conclusion that we need to make a toy out of Speck!!!
Hello ASDT
ASD> Shadows of thoughts begin to slip through the streams of delirium...
ASD> "promotion of ZX as the 1st home computer for "youths"
ASD> I formulated it differently - ZX is now a “toy”/“children’s” computer
ASD> no more than ...
Gentlemen, please stay on topic!
Ask a question to the point. Thread author insists on excessive removal
“extra” messages, I really don’t want to do that...
Please ask the author very specific questions.
For example, the author’s concept is not very clear to me yet, but really the latest
attempts to answer the questions posed already make me happy!
You probably shouldn’t go into confrontation with the author, but you need to help him explain
which he has not yet been able to express clearly.
Hello icebear
And who didn’t he fight??? :)
Hello ASDT
ASD> I formulated it differently - ZX is now a “toy”/“children’s” computer
ASD> no more than ...
a “toy” computer is a prop, this hardly applies to the ZX.
A “children’s” computer is “something” that is actually available for sale. Works like
a simple machine based on punched cards. It's more of an imitation of a computer, about the ZX of this
you can't tell.
ZX is just an 8-bit computer, quite “real” and very worthy in
in my class :) . There were also 4-bit ones - and that made them no less “computers”, especially
installed in anti-aircraft missiles - they killed not at all like a child.
Hello, Black_Cat
2CHRV - here is an example of cat logic:
“A “toy” computer is a prop, this hardly applies to the ZX.
A “children’s” computer is “something” that is actually available for sale. Works like
a simple machine based on punched cards."
And that “children” are different, and because they are young, they don’t need a computer at all...
Does that mean they never need it?
Therefore, I ask you to reserve the right to respond to nonsense - nonsense :)
Hello, Black_Cat
"("fake", "childish" - in the sense of unreal)"
Well, what can you talk to a person for whom
"childish" equivalent to "fake"...
Everything is clear...
Hello, Black_Cat
"I always thought that only on the Spectrum platform you can express yourself..."
You can prove yourself in any field :)
Hello, Black_Cat
"to simplify the connection itself (or make some kind of kit with a housing)"
"level no more than 800rub"
I totally support you!
"It's such an obvious and traditional use."
Exactly! It was created this way and became popular.
Simplicity, low price, possibility of “homemade” assembly,
availability of software. And this is his niche now.
2Black_Cat
"The conversation was about new areas of application."
So they don't exist! Can be used more effectively everywhere
modern mk-plis. But ZX has its advantages,
unique to him...
Hello ASDT
ASD> And that “children” are different, and because they are young, they don’t need a computer at all
ASD> needed ...
ASDT is confused between properties ("fake", "childish" - in the sense of unreal)
and area of application (“for children”). About the field of application "for children" already
it was written:
Bla> Advanced resource-intensive games are played mainly from the age of 10-12, up
Bla> they play typical Spectrum games
Hello, Voxel
People, stop creating “mechanical cycles of consciousness.” All posts starting from
yesterday's first from ASDT and (hopefully) ending with a complete empty (no
mind or heart) - subject to demolition without any regret. ZX is like a computer
“for children” is not even discussed, it’s so obvious and traditional
application. The conversation was about new areas of application.
Hello, Black_Cat
Of course, I’m not sure that I’ll be on topic, but I want to say...
But was Spectrum popular only because of the listed parameters and is not now
in such a volume, but still remains? :confused;
I; I always thought that only on the Spectrum platform you can express yourself... And
that's why he's so popular... You wrote a demo, and lo and behold, you're already half
knows the country... :rolleyes:
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> ZX as a computer “for children” is not even discussed, that’s how it is
Bla> obvious and traditional use. The conversation was about new areas
Bla> applications.
If I had not gotten the Spectrum as a child, I doubt that I would have been associated with
IT technologies, and the most important thing is that after turning on the computer you have access
at least to BASIC.
Hello ASDT
ASD> "("fake", "childish" - in the sense of unreal)"
ASD> Well, what can you talk to the person for whom
ASD> "childish" equivalent to "fake" ...
ASD> Everything is clear...
Children's toys often involve imitation of adults. But for example
I recently looked at a Chinese craft - apparently there is a microcontroller inside. You can
make small programs for drawing on the screen. Those. I must say that this
The toy already falls under the computers section.
So I don’t see why Speck can’t be a children’s computer (although I probably
I started working on BK0010 when I was about 14 years old, and spec appeared later).
It is clear that you need to simplify the connection itself (or make some kind of set with
case), perhaps this product will even arouse some interest (of course the price is important
and it should be no more than 800 rubles to compete with Dundee and
other consoles with an external keyboard like "Subora"...).
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> Once ZX became very popular thanks to four criteria:
Bla> - price availability,
Bla> - programming availability,
Bla> - availability of hard extension,
Bla> - being in the stream of technological progress.
All these criteria make sense only in the context of economic and historical
situations. Amiga could even turn upside down in the snickering Western market. B
USSR, where finding some kind of spare part was a big problem, the pinnacle of technical
Progress could only come from computers assembled in bulk, without custom-made ones.
products and with a minimum of imports - therefore Amigе will never achieve
the fame that befell the ZX in the USSR.
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> ZX is just an 8-bit computer, quite “real” and very
Bla> worthy in its class
Yes, but they were more worthy. Rather historically popular in the EX-USSR.
And here is the quote -
"- availability of hard extension,
- being in the flow of technological progress."
Hmm, young man, when did Speck appear in Russia, did you walk under the table?
You probably don't know that since 1985 there was an Amiga that made
a revolution in the computer industry, that’s where the “stream of progress” was. Speck
lagging behind and weak - it's time to realize. And in terms of popularity, C64 is far ahead of Spec.
Your concept is empty.
And remember, even the demos on spec at one time were Amiga to the core.
You haven’t even thought about such a concept as Amiga-spec. Your knowledge
limited only by PC spec...
Hello, SAM style
SAM> Damn, I thought my grass was good... And here it is
SAM> you need to smoke!
Respect comrade! I'm waiting for someone to notice this ;) No, well, leave the guy with
let him trample on his glitches :)
Hello, acidrain
aci> And remember, even the demos on spec at one time were amazing before
aci> brain-bones. You don’t even mention such a concept as Amiga-spec
aci> thought. Your knowledge is limited only by PC spec...
I categorically disagree with the “Amiganess” of the demos. Effects are usually
were invented by specific authors and spread across ALL platforms.
The Amiga is an example of a closed architecture and this determined its "departure for
peace" and poor prevalence in the Russian Federation (Pegasi, I think, have nothing to do with
Amigas do not have them, but their platform is also closed).
Speck, due to its ease of implementation, is an OPEN platform (probably
the only one of its kind) therefore it has become so widespread in the Russian Federation. Any
an attempt to close the platform (Sprinter for example) failed.
Hello, CHRV
CHR> Amiga is an example of a closed architecture and this defined it
CHR> "retirement" and poor prevalence in the Russian Federation (Pegasus, I think
CHR> have nothing to do with Amiga, but their platform is also closed).
Well, she hasn’t retired =) The old lady still lives and makes me happy ;)
They repeat it, it’s true, but they do it. Openness-closedness is
only in our minds (if we forget about copyrights ;) or bypass them -
there are plenty of options)
Hello, Black_Cat
it is clear that it was written under the influence of Nintendo advertising. comparison with "products
Sony and Microsoft" is completely off topic, a completely different category. but compare
with sales of PDAs, and especially with sales of phones, it would not hurt
Hello SMT
SMT> compare with PDA sales, and especially with non-phone sales
SMT> would be a hindrance
If the goal was to review the market for mobile gaming platforms, then it would be necessary, but
the goal was to show the disconnect between technical sophistication and consumer
demand and popularity, as well as the importance and results of searching for new markets
sales, as well as to indicate the significance of the socio-cultural connection of the product as
an integral part of the human information environment.
Hello, Black_Cat
PSP is tearing up NDSL in all respects.
Bla> Why is this console so popular?
Bla> ...
Bla> You can understand teenagers who are passionate about console games. This is
Bla> traditional category of consumers, but how did others end up here
Bla> age categories that even know about the existence of consoles in
Bla> basically shouldn't?
The pepper is clear, they wrote a bunch of online Tamagotchis, and now everyone is a loser (read bald
clerks who obviously have no children) are complacent.
But most importantly - WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH SPECTRUM HARDWARE???
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> But because... in the "ZX Spectrum" section there are only software and one
Bla> is a hard category, despite the fact that “soft” is a derivative of
Bla> "hardware", and "hardware" is a derivative of "conception", then "hardware"
Bla> turns out to be the closest place to the truth where this topic can
Bla> is placed for lack of a more precise one
ZX and mobile somehow don’t look together (difference in size).
ZX should consist of the following blocks:
1. Z80 processor,
2. Matrix - analogue of T34VG1 (extended to manage 512k memory)
3. KM49S512V-70 memory 512k (one 512k*9 chip is enough)
4. 29F512 ROM - wanted to flash TRDOS or any page
5. PAL encoder - easy connection to a STANDARD TV
6. CARTRIDGE WITH A SET OF MACROES FOR MASTERING PROGRAMMING - let it be
competition in mastering programming for PIC I AVR.
Here's a niche for ZX - programming training.
Hello, Black_Cat
"Here's a niche for ZX - programming training"
I agree. But you can also add it loosely - like a whale...
File: 2208pmp.jpg http://zx.pk.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=3655
Hello jdigreze
jdi> ...while its capabilities have not yet been exhausted.
Explain to an illiterate person... how can you exhaust his capabilities? what in general
means the phrase “opportunities have not been exhausted”, in relation to any
computer platform?
Hello, ng_dead
ng_> what does the phrase “opportunities have not been exhausted” even mean?
Is this so incomprehensible that it even requires discussion? If you understand this
literally verbatim, then in the ZX there must be ports somewhere that have not yet been found by anyone
type of bug of nature #FF, undocumented commands, entry points, etc., but
this is a very poor and mundane approach to interpretation, much more correct
interpretation is when one is guided not by the letter, but by the spirit of the message, namely -
there are many more areas of application of standard ZX capabilities, which are still
didn’t think of it, and they didn’t think of it not because they were stupid, but because no one in
I didn’t even think about this side. Take off your blinders game-demo-ay and look around and you will
you will find ten times more applications for standard capabilities, without any
then there was no increase in capacity and attempts to hang it on a horse-drawn cart
anti-missile system S-300 :smile; .;
Hello ASDT
ASD> "Here's a niche for ZX - programming training"
ASD> I agree. But you can also add it loosely - like a whale...
ASD> Miniatures
ASD>
ASD> Last edited by ASDT, 08/28/2006 at 12:16 pm.
What kind of device is on the picture? (post #60)
Please give me a link to the page with this image.
Hello ASDT
dear black cat!
So it’s not just you who thinks about saving the platform. but it all reminds me
childhood with a set goal, but without even hints of the path to implementation. more
can you present a business plan more specifically (namely a business plan - you’ve lost your mind
conquer the market t.s. M.R.U (guess for yourself what I meant))
here are from my early notes on my knee, or rather PDA =)
┌─- CODE ───
save the amiga
The first thing you need to do is a complete copy of the AGA on FPGAs and add a new one
video card, which will solve the main problem - full compatibility with
classics. The main heart of the Amiga should be as compatible as possible with M68K
ruler. For example, 060 + ppc. This way we can use the latest
AOS4.0 with all its pros and cons. Together with 040 + Coldfire we can
save OS 3.9, significantly speeding up the functionality of the Amiga without losing
compatibility.
All this will only allow saving a significant part of users, but not
will increase the audience. We need market segments that have not yet been discovered by anyone else.
For example, Nokia released the N-Gage QD game console - this
They share a market segment with Gameboy. Combine business functionality
applications and game console, placing everything in the palm of your hand. Business directed Amiga
shove it into a folding keyboard, and make the screen a landscape type with a turn270 degrees, move buttons for calling main applications to the outside
plus touchscreen or trackball. This will allow you to use it as usual
handheld or mini-laptop. Also be sure to make connectors for external
devices from regular PCs. The version for games and entertainment will be without a keyboard, but
with the ability to connect external joysticks and other control elements.
The business version should not exclude a gaming focus.
The keyboard will perform all actions that can be performed using
Touchscreen or mouse/trackball. Be sure to have a scroll wheel, like on mice.
└── CODE ───
And note that everything is succinct in such a short text. without brain steam rooms and debates.
All your ideas and thoughts. Learn.
Hello, acidrain
aci> save Amiga...
Dear acidrain, I am very glad that you are an enthusiast of Amiga reincarnation
and are ready to share our experience in this matter with fans of other
platforms. It will be very interesting to get to know your experience. Required
write as soon as you achieve success in this, I hope your experience will be useful and
for ZX.
Hello, Black_Cat
2fan:
"Please give me a link to the page with this picture."
Cooler->
http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=45883
Why? This is an example of design and nothing more.
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> Dear acidrain, I am very glad that you are an enthusiast
Bla> reincarnation of the Amiga and are ready to share their experience in this
Bla> question with fans of other platforms. It will be very interesting
Bla> get to know your experience. Be sure to write as soon
Bla> achieve success in this, I hope your experience will be useful for ZX.
Hmmm, thanks for your attention!
But cross-platform wars ended a long time ago, let’s go to the 21st century. So
use any ideas from any platforms - Atari, Amiga, Spectrum, C64 yes
how many more are there - analyze. But don't forget that people are working around you
giant and not-so-giant companies that are far from idiots and understand what they can do
invest money, and what is not yet realistic. So the chimera so far refers to
the last one.
And my interests are not limited only to the Amiga - there are also ZX and Atari Art. I'm still
I still don’t see anything in your project that might interest the consumer.
Hello, ng_dead
ng_> explain to the illiterate... how can you exhaust his capabilities? what
ng_> generally means the phrase “the possibilities have not been exhausted”, in relation to what
ng_> or computer platform?
Understanding this issue is very subjective for each individual.
To understand that the majority of the planet’s population has just developed
opposite opinion, it is enough to make an offer to buy Spectrum
two or three people, to which the answer will be something like this: “What can you do with it?”
do?"... Accordingly, we can conclude that "opportunities
platforms have been exhausted" since there is no clear answer to the last question,
Most likely, almost no one will be able to give. This is based on personal results
micro-social survey. And, by the way, no one is interested in the Spectrum as a hobby... ;)
So you need to think about how to attract “fresh meat”.
Without the infusion of new people, we will stew in our own juice, and since
the remaining contingent has long passed adolescence, when there were a bunch
time and effort, then nothing new can be squeezed out of our platform... We need
young people, as was the case ten years ago, when there was a sharp surge in activity.
It arose due to the influx of new people, but time has passed again, and the newcomers are no longer
appear... At least not in sufficient quantities to change in any way
the existing state of affairs.
Hello, Black_Cat
I'm not blind, I can read. You don’t need to write to me personally, then send me a personal message. And others
You probably read it too, don’t go to kindergarten.
You, Valery, try not to stage soap operas here, but the essence in a couple of phrases
express if possible. The Nintendo concept doesn't fit your early
definition of a chimera - she doesn’t use the mobile phone screen as her
display?! Here. don't forget what you wrote earlier.
Hello, Black_Cat
Here's another concept...
File: onechipmsx.JPG http://zx.pk.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=3672
Hello jdigreze
jdi> This is IT! I want a Spectrum like this
you're not the only one :) but I doubt that our iron builders will ever "give birth"
such a brainchild... because development is expensive...
there is no hope for the bourgeoisie either... because copyrights... with MSX it’s easier, it seems
open standard...
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> The essence of your question is not clear. Try to formulate it
Bla> to a friend.
try to understand and, as you put it, read and understand the essence
written. I am powerless to explain such elementary truths to you.
Hello, ng_dead
Then, as I mentioned earlier, is c64 also suitable for a joystick?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Commodore64_DTV_mugshot-x600.jpg
I would also buy such a spec, especially since its price is only about 20 oiro.
Information here - look at the sales statistics on the first day of trading.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C64_Direct-to-TV
Why is this not a successful concept that is quite applicable to the Spectrum?
My point is that it is not necessary to fantasize and write fables so sophisticatedly
per kilobytes, just analyze what people already want.
Hello ASDT
ASD> Here's another concept...
This is the very IT! I want a Spectrum like this :)
Hello, Black_Cat
"C64 in a joystick is also suitable?"
The idea is good, but the implementation...
Hello, ng_dead
ng_dead, but the point is not at all that it is expensive/cheap... To overcome
production requires money, but development can be done not very expensively, for example,
for some system engineering graduate as a diploma entirely on FPGA
prepare design documentation... But in order to send it to production, you need
N number of kilos, and this despite the fact that the marketing result is unknown
undertakings. Otherwise it turns out that they released 10 thousand. copies, and where to shove them
- unknown. And in such volumes the price of the device is unlikely to be less than $100,
more likely even $150-$200, and so it turns out, is the game worth the candle? This is despite
that you can use up someone’s free time (and nerves) for free. And if also
pay for the development, then we get a price of $300.
So it remains that it’s not possible to sculpt Speck on your knees with a sharpened object
essentials... ;)
Large companies, such as MS, always proceed from the opposite - first the idea, then
marketing research (into which mega$s are pumped), then only
they involve engineers and, at the same time, advertising (into which they also push
mega$s).
Now, let's evaluate where we are, i.e. the survivors will be able to save money.
1) You need to come up with an idea. It doesn’t matter which one, it’s important that it’s not at all
transcendental, and at the same time quite unique.
2) Are each of us ready to go around to our friends and ask if they need thisidea? and at what price are they willing to buy this “something”? If we do this and
If we bring all the data together, it will be possible to make a primitive forecast - it’s worth
should I continue to think about this idea...
3) It follows from paragraphs 1 and 2 - determine the target audience.
4) Launch the project into development, possibly supporting financially
developer(s), so that at least for details for experiments.
5) In parallel with step 4, start “snuggling” everyone who somehow falls under
target audience that soon, very soon their dreams will become reality,
for a certain bribe in the form of their hard-earned tugriks.
Such a project can be completed in a couple of kilos. It could be cheaper, but maybe
drag on and not give the desired effect. As they say, clothes are expensive
for the season.
These are my thoughts.
Hello ASDT
ASD> The idea is good, but the implementation....
In this particular case? If yes, then everything here is designed in the style of those
times and this was the most popular among the C64, Amiga, Atari, for sure
spec. This is where the appearance comes from. the essence itself is just superb. Of course, if that's the case
device, and it will also be possible to connect it to a PDA/laptop or handy - in general
super. You can also make an external joy, and not everything is in the joy (in such an implementation there is
It has its downsides, but one huge plus is the price! Lower than that of the author of the "concept"
chimeras). I think if we develop it specifically as a retro gaming mini box for TV
the size of a matchbox - then yes, that’s correct, but if you tie yourself up and
It’s childish to dream about a device, even if it’s 10*10 in size, and via USB 2.0
mobile - it's a failure. But all the same - the topic is bullshit, I feel sorry for my time and
so you’re unlikely to notice me here. I think the author will be only happy, right valerie? =)
Otherwise his kondrat will be enough;)
Now, if Black_Cat admits - what if he is already finishing such a device, then
then oh!
Hello jdigreze
jdi> 2) Is each of us ready to go through our acquaintances and ask if they need
jdi> them this idea? and at what price are they willing to buy this “something”?
No, buddy! here you don’t need to ask, but hammer into them (buyers) whatever
They just need this kind of rubbish, they literally can’t live without it. And the survey is like this
superficial. Out of 100 people, only 1-10 will buy.
Determine for yourself that no one will pay money for one’s dreams - there is
money and idea - invest if you believe and develop - methods of achieving the goal are not
secret, but the author was unable to set specific goals.
Hello, acidrain
Just an interesting device:
The design feature of the device is the placement of controls and screen on
adjacent sides of the body, at an angle to each other. 3.5 inch touch
The device screen has a resolution of 320 x 240 pixels, the buttons are equipped
backlight. The stylus for the screen is secured to the body with a cord. Among the features of Zypad
good communication capabilities can be noted. It has a USB interface
with support for Host mode, Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g and Bluetooth 2.0 adapters. Available
also a built-in GPS receiver. MiniSD are used as expansion cards.
The central processor is a 32-bit AU 1100 with a frequency of 400 MHz. Memory
- 64 MB of RAM and ROM. The operating system can be either Linux or
Windows CE. The power source for the PDA is a removable 2200 battery
mAh/3.6V, which lasts for about 8 hours. Together with it, the Zypad weighs approx.
280 g
-+--
08/23/2006
Wrist computer Zypad WL 1000 C for military
Parvus (the American branch of Eurotech) presented its development,
wrist computer Zypad WL 1000, at the exhibition of military electronics from 22 to 24
August 2006 in Florida. We have already written about this original system, so
that we will focus only on new data. Judging by them, the device
rather it will be intended for military use.So, when you lower your hand, a special patented system will automatically
switch the computer to standby mode. Moreover, according to the developers,
Zypad WL 1000 is equipped with a death notification system for its owner. If a person
with a wrist computer froze without moving or fell to the ground, the system
will automatically turn on the beacon with a call for help. Work details are not
TBD, but it is possible that the computer is additionally equipped with sensors
biometrics to distinguish a fallen living soldier from a dead one.
Mike Southworth, Eurotech's marketing director, said their product is also
well suited for use in healthcare. But the most interesting thing
is that, according to him, already now the US Navy
launched a project that requires thousands of similar devices. Let us remind you that
that the price of the device is about $2500. Well, even at this price for
The market for the Zypad WL 1000 is no longer something to worry about. Currently
The wrist computer is already in production and ready for shipment from the warehouse.
http://www.parvus.com/products/ProductPage.aspx?ProductID=117
Hello, Black_Cat
The Z80 is not the best (and perhaps even the worst) solution for home appliances.
Just for fun, a few years ago I built a smart card emulator for the Z80 (close
analogue of FUN-card).
Everyone laughed for a long time. The power supply had to be external (the sat receiver could not do THIS
power up). The size of the board exceeded the version on AT90S8515 and 24C64 by FOUR
times. The LCD blinked shamelessly during the update. At a frequency of 3.579 MHz AVR is easy
made Z80 (because RISC).
Z80 should be in Spectrums. That's the place for him. And for the masses
produced by "Tamogochey" it is better to order a specialized MCU on Angstrem.
PS: by the way, if I’m not mistaken, it was Angstrem that produced controllers for
Tamagotchi.
Hello hero
her> the spec will not handle even 5% of the capabilities indicated in the article
Yes, this is not necessary. This link is not an absolute that should be held to
alignment, but simply a signal, a trend - “the market is ready to pay money for
“information reproducers” means an avalanche-like process is expected
proposals. The purpose of the device is to broadcast news and advertising 24 hours
tapes - this is where all the benefits lie (something like teletext), and I wouldn’t be surprised
If, as the market develops, such devices will be provided to subscribers for free.
We are not talking about how exactly this video-audio advertising market will develop.
is underway (there are no standards or plans for its development at the state level yet,
only trends can be traced), but it is indisputable that it will be and if ZX
the platform will be ready for this, then it may also be in demand for these tasks
And she can do it.
her> if the device specified in the article appears among the masses, then 100% positive
her> he gets riveted casual toys
It doesn't matter. The standard for such devices is the transmission format
information (we are not talking about network standards), and this is the only limitation. All
The rest of the functionality is customized by each manufacturer according to their own needs.
It will not be massively identical and it makes no more sense to sculpt software for it than forAny flash player currently sold with a screen, for example.
jdi> Why turn it into a radio point?
A computer is universal - you can be whoever you want - that’s why it’s a computer, but
this video-audio is hypothetical while the scope of application is a gigantic market
market with gigantic money, with such volumes any device can be
produce it, and it will cost 3 rubles per bucket :smile; .; The task is to push
to this ZX market, i.e. develop the platform not in the direction of unsaleable, to anyone
not the required desktop nature, but towards integration into the network transmission medium
data.
jdi> Why ZX with LCD?
jdi>
Why not? CRT is clearly no better :smile; .;
Hello, Black_Cat
Yeah, the current spec won’t even handle 5% of the capabilities indicated in the article, or is that already
it won’t be a spec, but if the device mentioned in the article appears among the masses then
100% casual toys are riveted to it
Hello, Black_Cat
Why ZX with LCD?
For a bedside receiver, it is enough to have ARM on board or in extreme cases
AVR, whose performance is orders of magnitude higher, power consumption is lower, and that’s all
with minimal "tying"...
ZX is a COMPUTER! Why turn it into a radio point?
Hello, Black_Cat
After reading the last 3 pages, a question arose:
Black_Cat, what exactly do you mean by the term “ZX-Spectrum”?
(That is, by what criteria can one distinguish Spectrum from Non-Spectrum)
Hello, Black_Cat
Sou> The Spectrum emulator on the PC is not Spectrum.
and I will say more, a Spectrum emulator will never become a Spectrum, and therefore
Bla> Who cares what's inside if "it" looks like a Spectrum and
Bla> works like Spectrum - that means “this” is Spectrum, even if it is
Bla> is powered by the power of magic.
Hello, The Exploited
The> and I will say more, the Spectrum emulator will never become Spectrum
Bla> Emulation types:
Bla> - hardware direct or recursive (all on chip or vice versa chip on
Bla> all),
Bla> -hardware-software (part of the device is emulated in software
Bla> for example CPU or video system),
Bla> -software (on any hardware platform without any
Bla> bindings to the original hardware architecture);
( http://zx.pk.ru/showpost.php?p=53438&postcount=24 )
Which one will "never become"?
I doubt that you have an original Spectrum, rather what you have (if
there is of course), this is a "ZX-Spectrum-somewhat-compatible-computer-with
-recursive-hardware-emulation-of-the-original", i.e. according to your terminology -
EMULATOR. Of course, you can think whatever you want (one mammoth, for example, thought
like a possum :smile; ),; but as one joke said, “they don’t hit
passport - and in the face" and the sooner you get rid of all delusional illusions,
the less grief you will have associated with this in your life.
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> This historical period was not meant and is not interesting in principle. B
Bla> USSR ZX fell after his death at the hands of Sir Clive (and the car
Bla> time by that moment, in order to make Sir retrospective
Bla> abortion has not yet been invented). The population of the USSR is only of concern
Bla> domestic dead. In the USSR, with the advent of ZX, the era of Home Computers
Bla> has just begun and accordingly the concepts are only being discussed
Bla> domestic ZX-built.
And again I disagree!
In the USSR and then in Russia, the Spectrum lived a little longer, only because of backwardness
of this region! And not because of some concept... structure :)
it didn’t exist at all, the guys created clones to make extra money! What's not here?
understand? And the closer it was to the branded spec and the cheaper it was, the more
earnings... Well, I don’t count the later guys who developed there for the soul,
ATM for example, etc.
Bla> By the time the ZX was released, the very concept of a personal computer was only 5
Bla> years ago it appeared (according to some sources), and what “years” are we talking about then?
Bla> Reasoning in this situation about “long years” is also meaninglessBla> as well as planning at what year of life a newborn baby will receive
Bla> Nobel Prize.
The fact of the matter is that it’s already been 5 years! plus those 10 that existed spec
the personal computer evolved and eventually, by the early 1990s, a simple PC
has become available to almost anyone... And if possible, this
simple PCs based on 286 were ahead of the spec by several heads.
The Spectrum was not created as a computer that would develop from the very beginning,
the maximum of its development is the transition to color images and enlargement
RAM, he didn’t go any further... After all, there were a lot of companies that
released on different platforms, where are they all? That everyone had a general director like
Sinclair, who suffered from nonsense? Many reasons can be found besides the concept
development due to which the spectrum group lost popularity, for example,
compatibility.... There was also such a common phrase as the communist slogan:
IBM compatible!!! Do you think they just blurted it out like that out of stupidity?
Bla> Sinclair was delirious, and his delirium haunts some more inflamed
Bla> consciousnesses. The only thing he did consciously was pumping
Bla> money in your pockets.
Perhaps he was too ambitious, but much more rational than you. At leastAt least the idea of a compact computer with a flat monitor has now been implemented and
in demand! And a lot of users are switching from regular computers to laptops,
including me, I’ll be moving on in another year! And the creation of electric vehicles and flint
technologies - all of these are generally the right directions and have partly already found their place
in our lives or will be found in the future...
You are trying to create a prepeto mobile :)
How can you make some other computer that will be in more demand?
than the one from which you use components and architecture...
To create something new, you need to introduce something new, where in your project
novelty? The funny thing is that you are creating something that already exists under the promoted
a brand attaching to it a long-forgotten name that few people remember....
No matter how you look at your project, it’s baby talk!
If this is just fantasy and creativity, then you can understand, and our forum is possible
This is what it was created for, but no one will ever take this seriously!!!
Hello Lennon
buga
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> I hope it will be empty.. My hopes were not justified, well, you know
Bla> country of its heroes:
Bla> 06/27/2006, 22:33 #6 acidrain - destructive - deleted;
Bla> 06/28/2006, 12:15 #6 Ronin - offtopic - deleted;
Bla> 07/14/2006, 21:40 #9 LD - offtopic - deleted;
Bla> 16-07-2006, 17:17 #10 andrews - offtopic - deleted;
Bla> 07/17/2006, 09:08 #11 LD - offtopic - deleted;
Bla> 07/17/2006, 10:07 #12 andrews - offtopic - deleted;
Bla> 07/24/2006, 09:51 #18 Ronin - off-topic;
Bla> 07/26/2006, 23:06 #29 SAM style - offtopic;
Bla> 08/28/2006, 20:21 #63 fan - offtopic - deleted;
Bla> 08/29/2006, 12:30 #68 ASDT - offtopic - deleted;
Bla> 08/31/2006, 13:27 #83 ASDT - destructive - deleted;
Bla> 01-09-2006, 18:13 #85 lennon - offtopic;
Bla> 01-09-2006, 20:45 #86 The Exploited - off-topic;
Bla> 02-09-2006, 12:07 #88 lennon - offtopic;
Bla> 02-09-2006, 12:26 #89 lennon - offtopic; Bla> 02-09-2006, 12:34 #91 lennon - offtopic;
Bla> 02-09-2006, 12:43 #92 Southern Bear - offtopic;
Bla> 02-09-2006, 12:48 #93 lennon - offtopic;
Bla> 02-09-2006, 12:51 #94 Southern Bear - offtopic;
Bla> 02-09-2006, 12:55 #96 lennon - offtopic;
Bla> 02-09-2006, 13:36 #100 acidrain - destructive;
What kind of nonsense is this? Paranoia or schizophrenia?
Is your child raving about moderating?
PS: Black_Cat, answer a simple question, what did you do yourself (with your hands) for
ZX platforms (except for fiddling with the keyboard)?
Hello Lennon
> creativity is welcome on our forum
Creativity in the field of fiction?
Hello Lennon
And what does this topic have to do with “abstract discussion of concepts, ideologies and
development paths" has to the forum section "Iron
["http://forumdisplay.php?f=13"]"? If for afftor
> Who cares what's inside if "it" looks like a Spectrum
This is pure flame.
Hello hero
her> his next step will be to demand the administrator to ban
her> these people
I can’t demand to ban someone, I can only ask them to delete posts
violating the forum rules if their authors themselves refuse to understand this. Or you
against order on the forum and its rules? I deleted my own offtopics, so it’s better
b advised the unconscious part of the population to do the same.
Hello Lennon
len> Spectrum lived a little longer in Russia, only because of backwardness
len> of this region! And not because of some concept...
I never stated that the ZX lasted so long in the ex-USSR because of the presence
Whatever the concept, there is no need to attribute your fabrications to me. I
I just stated the presence of 3 concepts for the development of ZX on the territory of the ex-USSR.
len> The funny thing is that you are creating something that already exists under the promoted
len> a brand attaching to this a long-forgotten name that few people know anymore
len> remembers... No matter how you look at it, your project is for children
len> babble!
This section is for discussing concepts, ideologies and paths of development, i.e. ideas.
They are not designing anything here, these are your inventions.
len> no one will ever take this seriously!!!
The fact that you are incapable of taking anything seriously is already evident from a couple of your
posts - except for unfounded statements, distortions of facts and fabrications
There is nothing in them that borders on outright slander. Therefore, convincing
please do not strain yourself with such opuses in this topic, it is not welcome and
They are not welcome here. From now on, all your fabrications will be regarded as
conscious slander with corresponding organizational conclusions.
Hello Lennon
len> I thought you seriously wanted to expand production!
It would be very wonderful if you really started THINKING, everyone from
this would be easier.
Hello, scl^mc
scl> I suggest the moderators close this topic
Then maybe the whole forum at once? or maybe it’s easier to ban and throw out
from him those who don’t care about his rules?
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> or maybe it’s easier to put a ban and kick out those who want it
Bla> don't care about his rules?
you first? Not only did you start the flame in the wrong thread, but
If you humiliate people and call them names, then you are banned, banned. =) and it’s not up to you to decide who
ban/kick out from the forum, oh great one! ;)
Hello Lennon
len> Then you just need to lead the reader to the topic more precisely and
len> is directed so that he does not move away from the thought that you
len> you build.
I have already hinted and pointed out to Blak_kat that he did not outline the essence of his ideas, but to understand
such a simple truth cannot. And he gets smart, it makes me sick
Hello Lennon
len> No matter how you look at your project, it’s baby talk!
I mean the same thing =) the author is burning, he is the navel of the earth, and everyone around him is not worthy of him, not even
We can understand that this is not baby talk - this is a super concept! But he doesn't listen
no one, apparently in real life he is deprived of attention, but here he expresses himself.
Hello, Black_Cat
I hope it will be empty.. My hopes were not justified, well, know your country
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Gee. Like his next step will be to demand that the administrator ban him
these people, so citizens be careful :)
Hello, Black_Cat
I deleted it because you asked normally and not in a pose.
Hello Lennon
People, have you gone completely wild? Man (Black_Cat) strives to develop
Spectrum (not to let it completely die out in the coming years), your help will help it
necessary, not mockery... Why did you attack him as an enemy of the people?
Did he disturb you in some way? :v2_mad;
-+-;
Out of respect for the author, I do not intend to flame any more in this thread, therefore in response
I don’t need my post.
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> It would be very wonderful if you really started THINKING
Bla> this would make it easier for everyone.
In my opinion, this is really slander and distortion of facts....
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> This section is for discussing concepts, ideologies and development paths
Bla> i.e. ideas. Nothing here
Bla> do not design
Oh, well, if you're just thinking... :v2_jawdr;
I; then I thought you seriously wanted to expand production! :v2_lol;
Well; sorry then! :v2_rolley
P.S. but in general I didn’t attribute anything. It simply follows logically from the fact that
what is written in the manual. Then you just need to bring the reader to the topic more
precisely and directed so that he does not deviate from the thought that you are building.
:v2_smoke:
Hello Southern Bear
Sou> Creativity in the field of fiction?
Well, at least :) is also useful for the development of both the author and the reader.
Hello Southern Bear
Sou> This is pure flame.
No, he just got confused himself. He wanted one thing first, but the flood was under pressure
Another idea has already been born to the public :)
Well, it’s not scary, on our forum creativity is welcomed, and invention is
This is one of the parts of creativity!
Hello Lennon
len> The fact that you are unable to take something seriously is already evident from the pair
len> Your posts - except for unfounded statements, distortions of facts and
len> there is nothing in them that borders on outright slander.
len> Therefore, we kindly request you not to strain yourself with such opuses
len> this topic is not welcome and is not welcome here. From now on, everything is yours
len> fabrications will be regarded as conscious slander
len> with relevant organizational conclusions
Well, it’s just that you’re afraid to face the truth.
Facts that were pretended to be real in one’s own skin are difficult to distort.
If you read my story about how I encountered the Spectrum, in the section
tell us about yourself, you will see how I described from the memories of those years when
Spectrum was just starting to die, this whole process. After all, everyone began to move
on the PC, not on the Amiga or the Commander or whatever they called him, but on the PC.
Spectirum and Sinclair are not the culprits here, but the victims! Moreover, the sale by Sinclair
The Amstrad Spectrum does not look like anything when viewed this way.
wrong move. The man who created a company and made a name for himself with it
products, probably not such a fool... Apparently after the failure of severalambitious ideas, he felt that he would not be able to offer anything new and
in demand, which, just like the Spectrum in its time, can amount to
competition for the up and coming PC. How do you think? I personally after reading everything
stories about Sinclair I see it exactly like that!
The easiest way is to say that a person is a fool and crazy, talking nonsense and doing
stupid steps.
P.S. And don’t say that you didn’t say anything that I attribute to you.
This simply involuntarily logically follows from what you write!
You can’t just think abstractly about the structure of something....
So at one time they came to the conclusion that the moon is a disk: v2_yahoo; ,; and then
when smart people began to say that this was impossible, it must be a ball, they
in response they said, well, look, it’s flat, why are you inventing and
distort the facts! It’s flat, why invent it! :v2_laugh:To the bonfire of heretics
:v2_devil; !;
Hello, scl^mc
scl> I suggest the moderators close this topic. for there is nothing good about them
scl> will no longer work
There is no need to hide anything, you are interesting! The topic is useful at least for beginners,
Many Spectrum fans who come here are probably wondering about this idea. Yes
Why constantly discuss it when it has already been discussed once? It is possible in this
topic and continue the discussion, either by the supporters of CHIMERA or by its opponents.
There is no need to close anything, the forum will only lose from this!
P.S. Golden rule of the forum, don't like it, tired of it? don't read, don't participate...
Be interesting in another thread somewhere :)
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> Then maybe the whole forum at once? or maybe it’s easier to put a ban and
Bla> throw out those who don’t care about its rules?
You apparently don't understand what I mean. you can see for yourself that it has begun
uncontrolled flame and assault. Isn’t it easier to close this topic and open the section?
only for a select few, as they did in special closed sections. yes
more guarantees that random individuals will not get into this topic, so that
flame.
Here.
Hello Lennon
Lennon, this topic has no place for you.
Hello Lennon
I suggest the moderators close this topic. because there is nothing good about them anymore
will come out :)
Hello, mig'95
mig> People, have you gone completely wild? Man (Black_Cat) strives
mig> develop the Spectrum (prevent it from completely dying out in the coming
mig> years), he needs your help, not mockery.. What are you doing
mig> attacked him as an enemy of the people? Did he bother you with something?
mig> :v2_mad;
mig>; ---
mig> I don’t intend to flame anymore in this thread out of respect for the author, therefore
mig> I don’t need a response to my post.
I supported the topic, began to think about it, and in response received attacks, obscenities and swearing
- the author does not want dissent, but this does not happen. he loves his brainchild, I love him
left alone with creation. And when he began to propose to me earlier
suggested topics, then I tried to remind him. And now this is not a branch, but
flame. Initially, it was necessary to push the topic into the philosophical direction, and not into
iron. I left the forum - a crazy place.
Hello Lennon
len> The topic is useful at least for beginners, many Spectrum fans
len> those who came here are probably wondering about this idea.
to understand in SUCH a form that it is “unrealizable”? that is, with attacks, swearing
and other garbage? For what?
Hello jdigreze
jdi> what exactly do you mean by the term "ZX-Spectrum"?
jdi> (That is, by what criteria can one distinguish Spectrum from Non-Spectrum)
In short, the "ZX-Spectrum" is the original computer - it is what it is
how he was born and cannot be different, his characteristics are well known to everyone,
the main one is ULA. A Spectrum compatible clone is a computer that uses
structural features of the address space of ports and memory, features
architecture of the video processor of the original computer, which has a compatible (for
except for some differences) SOS and using the Z80 command system.
Hello jdigreze
jdi> But there remains one very strong limiting factor - who it will be
jdi> purchase?
When the bourgeoisie recently released the “komodor-in-joystick” console -
snapped up instantly (I don’t know about us, but they have a fashion for
retrogaming). And then they released keyboard for this device and so on,
turning it... back into a normal chest of drawers!
Hello jdigreze
jdi> it turns out "or Spectrum, but to the TV, or any screen, but no longer
jdi> Spectrum...".
There is a video controller (video mode expansion module) AlCo at least -
it provides VGA with standard screen resolution, and I don’t see any problems with development in this
side in the same way.
jdi> This is why the initial concept of "CHIMERA" as a gadget for
jdi> sotika...
And here, moreover, there cannot be any fundamental problems - as long as
Sotik coped with the scattering of data - this is a problem.
jdi> I personally have a completely different vision
But this will be a different concept that will have nothing in common with “Chimera”.
Hello, Black_Cat
> There is also a video controller (Video mode expansion module) AlCo
> at least - it gives VGA with standard screen resolution, and not
> I see development problems in this direction in a similar way.
>
Don't make people laugh.
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> ... structural features of the address space of ports and memory and
Bla> features of the video processor architecture of the original computer
Bla> having compatible (except for some differences) SOS and
Bla> using the Z80 command system
This is precisely why, and, by the way, V. Skutin (Nemo company) adhered to precisely
of this approach, creating a clone with a different architecture is
inappropriate. Now I will try to explain my point of view.
1) The port address space affects only the peripheral part
architecture, with the exception of the 7FFD port (we won’t take clones into account for now). F.E.
- keyboard, “taper”, “bipper”, border. Let the keyboard remain, "taper"
and the “bipper” can be thrown out, because this is not true for a new (especially mobile) computer
necessary. I’ll tell you about the border below. 1F (DF) - Kempston joystick, most likely not either
needed, there is no pointer, but for games you can use Sinclair
Left/Right. FB - printer... No comments... ;)
2) Memory 48K/128K. 48K - linear RAM starting from address #4000 to #FFFF, 128K
-linear RAM starting from address #4000 to #BFFF, and segmented RAM from address
#C000 to #FFFF. The only advantage from my point of view is joint
use of RAM for program code and data.3) Here there will be a “rake”... ;) The structure of the screen implies use in
As a VKU (monitor), it is exclusively a television receiver (TV). Any
attempts to connect to other types of VCU lead to unjustified complication
circuit design with a constant method of presenting video information. That is,
in human language, if we leave the existing three-segment
eight-line bitpixel screen with a border area of about 50%
images, then you will have to fence in the “vegetable garden” to display the required image,
eg on VGA CRT/LCD. And changing the way video information is presented will lead to
to the fact that it will no longer be Spectrum (I don’t want to get excited about the fact that
no one will rewrite the software for the new screen). Those. it turns out "or
Spectrum, but connected to a TV, or any screen, but no longer Spectrum...". Exactly
this is why the initial concept of “CHIMERA”, like a gadget for a cell phone, disappears...
4) SOS in the form in which it exists is practically not used
With modern software, it is only needed to initially load something.
5) Z80 command system... System as a system... Nothing particularly special. Let
it will be as it is.
Well... My thoughts... Not finished yet. ;)
Based on the above text, I personally have a completely different vision.
concept - a set-top box for a TV, like the MSX or mentioned in this topicC64. Let it be a simple compact device to which you can connect
cellular (COM/IR-DA) for Internet access. As I/O devices let them be
standard PS/2 keyboard and mouse. As a storage device - SD/MMC Flash
(Hardtaper and/or DirectFAT16/32). And no FDD, HDD, CRT/LCD...
It will turn out compact, compatible, and if you do not use SOS, but only allow
download it from a medium, then no claims from the copyright holder (Amstrad...
I don't know the full name).
But there remains one very strong limiting factor - who it will be
acquire?
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> There is also a video controller (Video mode expansion module) AlCo
Bla> at least - it gives VGA with standard screen resolution,
nonsense, there is no such thing
Bla> and I don’t see any problems with development in this direction in a similar way.
Indeed, it can be done, but for some reason no one has done anything yet
(according to my information, there is a person who converted the pro to VGA scans, but
I haven’t seen any diagrams, firmware or other evidence, and there are no problems here
quite a lot - to plow up half the board, but again this is not the right direction)
Hello, The Exploited
The> nonsense, there is no such thing
I came across mentions of the AlCo circuit several times on the forum, and here is the circuit
got it. A question for those who are in the know - was it a paper project, and in hardware
did it never exist?
Hello hero
her> Give me a link
I won’t, I don’t remember exactly where it was mentioned, somewhere in topics about design
video processor, perhaps in the topic "The idea of a simple extension of the standard
video mode", it’s easier to throw the diagram onto soap.
Hello, Black_Cat
Give me the link
Hello hero
her> Well then, this topic definitely belongs in “Other computers”
No, it has a place in “Concepts and Concepts” if this section exists.
Hello hero
her> Although if something is constantly updated, it will be crooked on a mobile phone
her> look
Alas, something has to be sacrificed; games with #FF will not work, everything that uses
strict timings - also - this is 100%, for the rest the percentage can
to estimate those who know game engines - this is in the case of the "game" "Chimera", but it
can be used purely as a controller in automation, and in this case
The mobile phone needs current for setting up and removing data and synchronization binding
video is not critical. But no one bothers you to connect a standard video processor and
get the full spec - the design is modular and scalable.
Hello hero
her> earned current with Samtron 56e and Samsung 3Ne
Who would doubt it, 50Hz anyway. Although for those not strictly connected to the CPU
video processor (as in the Novosibirsk version) I don’t see any fundamental
impossibility of implementing 60Hz, although for such an exclusive as ZX it is easier
pick up a monitor. Has anyone tried it with TFT, 50Hz?
Hello jdigreze
jdi> The problem is that you won’t be able to use it as a monitor
jdi> use.
Once again I will repeat in more detail: when outputting CPU data to the screen, the data
get to the USB controller, are converted in a special way and translated into
mobile phone, they are received, converted and displayed there. The problem is
permission for mobile software to have low-level access to its USB, and indeed
it is difficult to find a description of the architecture and circuitry of a mobile phone, which in itself is already
problem, not to mention allowing left-wing programs to rule there.
Programs for mobile phones are written in assembler and some. Siemens have the described architecture,
but I’m not an expert here and I can’t evaluate the capabilities of a real model - this is a question for
for those who coded for mobile.
Hello jdigreze
jdi> another non-acidic trouble is usb host controller...
USB controller for spec, cat. discussed in hardware - knows how to be a master and
slave, the mobile phone must be able to be a slave. This controller has
restrictions on the chipset, but in this application it should work, albeit on
1.1
Hello hero
her> What you sent is a file description of the device from the topic "Let's tell the scalpel
her> no" And this device worked for me with Samtron 56e and Samsung
her> 3Ne. That's why I abandoned it
Did the Asyrki give their all? (I don’t remember this though %( )
Hello, Black_Cat
> USB controller for spec, cat. discussed in hardware - can be
> master and slave, the mobile must be able to be a slave. This
> controller has chipset limitations, but in this application it
> should work, albeit on 1.1
>
It will be cheaper to take AT91RM9200
Hello, Black_Cat
We must not try but do it in the industrial VGA standard
Hello, Black_Cat
Well then, this topic definitely belongs in “Other Computers”
Hello, Black_Cat
If there is no tight connection between the INT processor and image scanning, then on the screen
there will be flickering, although if you take the phone screen which itself is very
Inert may not be scary, but not a single multicolor will work. Although if
something is constantly being updated and will look crooked on a mobile phone
Hello, Black_Cat
Имя_моего_ника@mail.ru
Hello fan
fan> Did Asyrki give their all? (though I don’t remember this %( )
I'll dig it up at home, make it readable and post it
Hello hero
What you sent is a file description of the device from the topic “Say no to the scalpel” And
I got this device working with Samtron 56e and Samsung 3Ne. That's why I
abandoned
Hello hero
Black Cat, the problem is not whether Sotik can cope with
scattering data. Almost anyone modern (2005-2006) can, and how
can. The problem is that you cannot use it as a monitor.
Phones do not have a mode of operation as a VKU, only as a telephone, or as
modem If only there were such a standard... but “would” gets in the way.
Hello hero
Okay, we've more or less figured out the mobile phone...
There is another such trouble - usb host controller... Honestly, I
I have never seen anything like this in nature. Those. met naturally, but on the PCI bus. If
to do the whole project, we will get very large hemorrhoids -
Z80->PCI->USB->CellPhone.
If you can master this, you will have great respect!
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> Quote:
Bla> Message from heroy
Bla> earned current with Samtron 56e and Samsung 3Ne
Bla> Who would doubt it, 50Hz anyway. Although for those not strictly connected to the CPU
I don’t see the Bla> video processor (as in the Novosibirsk version) as fundamental
Bla> impossibility of implementing 60Hz, although for such an exclusive as ZX
Bla> it’s easier to choose a monitor. Has anyone tried it with TFT, 50Hz?
60Hz does not work - many games (especially 48k) update the screen after the beam - in
The result will be creepy flickering objects and sprites at 60Hz.
about TFT 50Hz - Roman (CHRV) works exactly like that, through a converter
zx>vga. without any problems. There are also external TV tuners, but they’re really not 50Hz (60
and 75), but there is a buffer per frame - objects should not disappear, but there will be scrolling
twitch
Hello, The Exploited
Due to the fact that I definitely have a positive attitude towards the forum and respect forum members
(except, you know, upstarts) deleted all posts from the topic for the author. But no
think that out of respect for the author, just to make things easier
overloaded disk space of this forum. I recommend it to the black cat
Remove half of the nonsense - take care of the forum!
Hello, Black_Cat
Oh! Such confusion, so much has been written! And everything changes everywhere, decide
already!
Don’t write a dissertation, try to shorten everything to a couple of sentences?
Hello, yoko_ono
yok> Oh! Such confusion, so much has been written! And everything is changing everywhere
yok> decide already!
yok> Don't write a dissertation, try to reduce everything to a couple of words
yok> suggestions?
Madam, we are not in a chat, but on a forum, so the opuses can be much more than 2-3
suggestions :cool:
Hello, yoko_ono
yok> Oh! Such confusion, so much has been written! And everything is changing everywhere
yok> decide already!
yok> Don't write a dissertation, try to reduce everything to a couple of words
yok> suggestions?
There is no need to desecrate the work of scientists. :v2_mad;
A; generally haha, of course.
I get great pleasure from reading it, comedians relax. :v2_laugh:
Hello Lennon
[QUOTE=lennon]There is no need to desecrate the work of scientists. :v2_mad;
Concept; should end up looking like this:
Just kidding!
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> i.e. increasing the resource intensity of the periphery is impossible without
Bla> is proportional to the increase in processor performance.
Very controversial. Especially "proportionality".
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> increasing the resource intensity of the periphery is impossible without the corresponding
Bla> increased processor performance
Is that okay? :)
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> Is that okay? :)
Uh... "impossible"? :rolleyes:
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> a balanced increase in the resource intensity of the periphery is impossible without
Bla> corresponding increase in processor performance
Is that better?
cap> This is also bad wording.
No, the titles chosen were, as a rule, common phrases that
rumors have become boring for a long time and are perceived as indisputable (that is, completely uncritical).
For example, initially was planned to be called “Real”, but
because this term is unknown to anyone except ZX sceners, it came from him
refuse. Regarding agricultural construction, I never claimed that the axis
is not needed at all, just as he did not claim that there is no need to develop ZX technically.
On the contrary, I believed and still believe that this should be done, but done wisely. And for
In order to do things wisely, you need to understand all the relationships. For
establishing these relationships is what the “Concepts and Concepts” column was conceived of.
P.S. There will be a fast processor - there will be tasks under the axis, and N bit per pixel and
the devil in the mortar. In the meantime, we are content with what we have - assembler and exclusive
access to resources.
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> 6)
This is also bad wording.
Even if the axis itself does not save, then without the axis it is unlikely that anything will save.
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> What if there are not 2 bitplanes, but 4, 8, 16?
Yes, at least 250.
The point is that in such a model (unlike VGA-like modes) the
“where”, “what” and “how” tasks. That is, we first establish “what”
processed “how” - and only then “where” each piece of interest is located
The screen is determined quickly and without problems.
Technically, this can be implemented in completely different ways, with varying degrees of
convenience for the encoder and inconvenience for the assembler. :) But even in the simplest
case (when bitplanes of one screen must be manually switched) this approach
more profitable - and this is easy to justify statistically.
And not a single model can do without “hardware tricks”. In fact, if
delve into the history of the issue, all these difficulties in one way or another have long been
resolved in principle, the task is to take the most successful solutions, combine them and
adapt to the features of the ZX.
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> 1.0 Destination point. ...
Okay, here's a comparison with my project (if anyone is interested)...
1.1 VideoRAM - external (and therefore fast), used for storage (by
desired) and to display graphics. Standard layout - optional only
and only as a way of addressing (not actually storing graphics).
1.2 Breakdown into several basic pages, switchable as desired.
1.3 256x192 does not work. Full resolution of the branded spec with a border something
like 368x288, Pentagon - 384x304. (also see clause 1.5).
1.4 Preserving “thirds” and “eight lines” is insanity, this is not Speck’s virtue, but
his trouble. Only as part of the old way of addressing. Attributes can be slightly
screw...
1.5 The screen is extended to cover almost the entire area of the curb, but it can be “shrinked”
back, simply covering it again with a border of any size (without fear of
this is for addressing skew).
1.6.1 Yes. And why do some, for purely “religious” reasons, not have bitplanes?
do you like it? :(
1.6.2 Yes. Only the terms “tile” and “sprite” are finally off topic here -
you need a “front layer” and a “back layer”. They can also be divided into sublayers
adjusting the palette, fortunately bitplanes.
1.6.3 It happens on its own. :)
1.6.4 Blitter can handle anything today. Hardware sprites ftopka. Even
Hardware (in the sense of not in memory, but only on the screen) scrolling is not needed.Bla> Conclusion: in this way you can determine the ideology of development
Bla> of the ZX Spectrum video processor as a vector for displaying the current set
Bla> video processor parameters to a promising set of parameters.
Just don’t rely on purely external signs. The main thing is
internal content!! Try to describe in a nutshell the process of drawing on
standard screen... Not even from the point of view of the encoder (although it’s the same there), but
for a simple Art Studio user for example?
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> Well, speed and appearance are not related.
:v2_laugh; But; Speed is very closely related to the video memory clock speed.
Bla> that each deferred task has a deferred screen attached
And what, are several demos planned to be launched as such tasks? Saving
screens in general the axis should be occupied. And the brakes cannot be avoided for now.
The video memory should be enough for one “heavy” (in the sense of the screen) application. If
In general, it is planned to launch it in multitasking mode with
subsequent frequent task switching!!
Using Speck's internal memory, you can't achieve something so serious. This
The Spec itself must first be redone.
It won't work out "all at once."
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> Scrolling is actually in memory and specifically for sprites, and screen scrolling
Bla> makes sense to do for the background.
Blitter carries anything, anywhere, anyhow. If he succeeds in everything -
why any extra entities? This is an additional headache for further
improvements. The fewer individual nodes, the better.
Bla> What do you mean by “hardware”?
Like on Komoduri or the same Far Away. What at the moment the ray passes through the raster
is applied dynamically. What's on Spec is not sprites, just a name.
Bla> I consider further division unnecessary. Two layers, yes with scrollable ones
Bla> mirrored and automatically loaded sprites should be enough
Bla> long-term perspective.
"Further division" is automatically obtained there, nothing special for this
no need to add. :v2_laugh; Head; think about it. And also why it is
might come in handy.
Bla> Whatever it is, I didn’t make it. :) I would like to have the opportunity
Bla> modernize old toys with new ones at minimal cost
Bla> capabilities, so the screen is as native as possible.
Well, the old addressing method is enough for this. Store exactly the samea raster in memory makes no sense. Moreover, with an increased screen area
(even multiple or non-multiple) it still won’t work.
Bla> Why bother with incompatible permissions if
Bla> increased resolution can be obtained by integer scaling
Bla> standard screen?
As it turned out, “512x384 two layers” is already too much - as a result, an imbalance of speed and
area, and addressing is inconvenient. Regarding "incompatible permissions" -
so this is actually PAL low resolution 352x288 (visible area). Or something
pick close. For text - "flattened" single-layer mode with doubling
horizontal resolution.
Enough to judge by individual external signs; we need an integrated approach.
Hello Lethargeek
Let> already "512x384 two layers" is too much - as a result, an imbalance of speed and
Let> area
Actually, it is being designed with the prospect of future 21-28MHz machines in mind. But maybe
work on Spec 3.5MHz, but from the set of modes it is naturally reasonable
use the most lightweight ones, but it’s hard to imagine who will use such a Spec
screw on such a video processor. Now the current computer is
FPGA + CPU + RAM + ROM, and then everything is decided at the design stage.
Let> this is actually PAL low resolution 352x288
You know, I have already forgotten what an analog TV is, and many of my friends have too.
And the further - the more. Electricity is becoming more expensive, square meters of living space are becoming more expensive and
Cathode-ray coffins are sent to the nearest trash heap and VGA, by the way, is behind them
next. TFT is no longer a luxury, but simply a necessity.
And tell me why did this PAL fall to anyone? :) Nobody cares about him anymore. Analog
television has died morally, and in a few years it will die physically. That's it,
cross. Developments for TV now can only scare away the user. For him
attraction must be done under VGA.
Let> Moreover, with an increased screen area (even a multiple, at least
Let> non-multiple) will still not work.
I don’t see any problems here, all bitplanes are read in parallel, it’s just the capacityvideo processor increases - this is normal.
Let> why it might be useful.
Unjustified complication of a machine that works with sprites. So there's the eZ80
will have to bet. You can think about it, but it’s better in another 20 years. :)
Let> Blitter transfers anything, anywhere, any way.
How is the blitter controlled?
Hello Lethargeek
Let> Even hardware (in the sense not in memory, but only on the screen) scrolling does not
Let> is needed.
Scrolling is actually in memory and specifically for sprites, but on-screen scrolling makes sense
do for the background.
Let> Hardware sprites ftopka.
What do you mean by "hardware"?
Let> They can also be divided into sublayers by simply adjusting the palette, fortunately
Let> bitplanes.
I consider further division unnecessary. Two layers, yes scrollable,
mirrored and automatically loaded sprites should be enough for a long distance
perspective.
Let> Keeping “thirds” and “eight lines” is insanity, it’s not a virtue
Let> Speck, and his trouble.
Whatever it is, I didn’t make it. :) I would like to be able to upgrade
with minimal cost old toys for new possibilities, so the screen
at most native.
Let> Full resolution of the proprietary spec with a border, something like 368x288,
Let> Pentagon - 384x304
Why bother with incompatible resolutions if the increased
Can the resolution be obtained by integer scaling of a standard screen?
Let> VideoRAM - external (and therefore fast)Well, speed and appearance are not related. As I understand it, this is your second development option
ideas - controller type. I like the first one better. And about the external
controller specifically for a promising video system, i.e. having a great video
I wouldn't worry about RAM. I still want to develop Spec in a balanced way, i.e. not
close the way to delayed multitasking. For small video RAM external
the controller hasn’t gone anywhere yet, but with volumes of ~128-256k, taking into account that for each
a deferred task is attached with a deferred screen that switches back and forth every time
Switching from task to task will be lengthy. And in the case when video RAM and
main = one whole - you just need to click the cans.
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> Standardization of video processor development principles (continued).
Bla> 1.2 There were two screen areas - active and shadow;
Bla> ...
Bla> 1.3 Extended screens with a resolution multiple of 256x192
Bla> ...
in order:
1. why did you decide that there were always two screen areas? second screen
appeared only in 128x specs.
2. why are extended screens with a resolution multiple of 256 taken as a basis?
192, and not a multiple of 2m?
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> But it can also work on Spec 3.5MHz, but from the set of modes naturally
Bla> it is reasonable to use the most lightweight ones, but to such Spec
Bla> I don’t think anyone will install such a video processor.
It is precisely “such a Spec” that must be screwed, otherwise it will not survive.
Moreover, in the first version there should be bells and whistles and unnecessary functional units
smaller, so as not to worry about how to save them all during modernization
devices so that they don’t get in the way and don’t waste resources. Let the coders
They master what they have and write software. Moreover, there are no “light modes”
it is necessary, Speck’s speed at this stage is not critical.
Bla> And tell me why this PAL fell to anyone? :) Nobody cares about him anymore.
But many people care about one-frame.
Bla> Analogue television is morally dead, and will die in a few years
Bla> physically. That's it, cross. Developments for TV are currently only possible
Bla> scare the user away. To attract it, you need to do it under VGA.
There are portable LCD TVs. There is a similar standard X-mode VGA 360x240.
There is a standard 800x600 mode, easily convertible to 400x300 interlace. Here with
There will be problems with the frame rate, something needs to be solved here :(When analog TV “physically dies” completely, it will be possible to “give it to the people”
a normal LCD monitor specifically for Spec, after all (prices fall by
details). If by that time the development of Speck is still interesting to anyone.
Bla> I don’t see any problems here, all bitplanes are read in parallel, it’s simple
Bla> The video processor bit capacity increases - this is normal.
SIMPLY "the video processor bit capacity increases"... :v2_lol;
Bla>; Unjustified complication of a machine that works with sprites. So there
Bla> eZ80 will have to be installed. You can think about it, but it’s better in another 20 years.
Some kind of nonsense. I wrote there in Russian that it works in bitplanes
“for free”, there is no need to “complicate” anything. And some other “sprite machine” to no avail
village or city... :v2_wacko;
Bla>; How is the blitter controlled?
You send the operating mode to the registers (transparent color, data format, how many
bitplanes involved, etc.), sizes, from where, where. The parameters are remembered, each
It is not necessary to repeat them all (I only changed the necessary ones) - blitter
automatically starts when a new "to" address is received. Storage format
graphs may not coincide (topologically) for the source and receiver. As a result
for the brake Z80 there will be less fuss than, say, moving the hardwaresprites are of a fixed size, and the capabilities (unlike spritetile
engines) much more. The code will most likely simply call standard
procedures for standard objects... It would also be nice for a blitter to have a command queue
ask (but you can postpone it until the next version for that very “advanced
Specka").
Hello, scl^mc
scl> why did you decide that there were always two screen areas?
scl> the second screen appeared only in 128 specs.
Was it difficult to look 3 lines higher for yourself?
Bla> At the time of the sale of the rights to ZX to Amstrada, the ZX video processor had
Bla> the following features:
scl> why are extended screens with a resolution multiple
scl> 256 by 192
And don’t follow the links, it says why, and that’s it and only
The answer to your question and nothing more:
http://www.zx.pk.ru/showpost.php?p=62984&postcount=119
http://www.zx.pk.ru/showpost.php?p=62985&postcount=120
Hello Lethargeek
Let> Let the coders master what they have and write software for now.
This is generally a matter for emulators. There is hardly any point in releasing intermediate iron.
When implemented in an FPGA, there is not much difference between all modes or half. FPGA immediately
is selected for the final configuration, and how much it will be written down to 50% or 100%
this does not affect the complexity of the hardware.
Let> many people care about one-frame.
Can you fit your entire screen with many bitplanes into one page of RAM? U
For me the RAM for 8 bitplanes is roughly 64k, which is 4 times the page of RAM. And
what kind of one-frame can there be?
Let> There are portable LCD TVs.
Again - for now.
Let> it will be possible to “give the people” a normal LCD monitor especially for Speck
Why is this amateur radio? Massive Soviet amateur radio died together
with the death of deficiency. It has been proven a hundred times - serial TFT is cheaper and more reliable
amateur radio crafts.
Let> SIMPLY “the video processor bit capacity increases”
Believe me, there is absolutely nothing complicated about this.
Let> And some other “sprite machine”
This is an automatic machine that moves sprites of arbitrary size, multiples of familiarity,
mirroring them and loading them. Its architecture is tied to quantityplanes of the foreground and background, and specifically, only one is assumed
foreground plane.
Let> You send the operating mode to the registers (transparent color, data format,
Let> how many bitplanes are involved, etc.), sizes, from where, where.
That is actually the same machine, but based on an additional CPU. You might think so.
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> This is generally a matter for emulators. There is hardly any point in the release
Bla> intermediate iron. When implemented in an FPGA, there is not much difference at all
Bla> modes or half. The FPGA is immediately selected for the final configuration
Bla> and how much it will be written down as 50% or 100% is not related to the complexity of the hardware
Bla> influences.
So there’s no point in filling in the firmware ahead of time with no clear reason.
Bla> You have the entire screen with many bitplanes in one page of RAM
Does Bla> fit? I have RAM for 8 bitplanes, which is roughly 64k, which is 4 times
Bla> is larger than a page of RAM. And what kind of one-frame can there be?
Smoke EGA. The fact of the matter is that both the raster and the new attributes “fit.”
Maximum for 16K. With the most convenient addressing.
Bla> Again - for now. Why is this amateur radio? Mass Soviet
Bla> amateur radio died along with the death of shortages. Hundredfold
Bla> it has been proven that a serial TFT is cheaper and more reliable than an amateur radio product.
And a not so old used PC with an emulator is cheaper and more reliable... :)
If it would be profitable to build such a monitor and forget about the problems for a long time
pairing - why not? :v2_cool;Bla>; Believe me, there is absolutely nothing complicated about this.
I never “believe”, I calculate everything. :)
The “bottleneck” is not in the FPGA, but in the width of the SD video memory. And these are the legs. Quantity
free legs tends to correlate with the price of said FPGAs and
the difficulty of soldering the product using the principle of positive feedback (too bad!).
:v2_finge; Briefly speaking,; expensive and hemorrhoids.
The second point is that a higher resolution of 16K just won’t fit. Already necessary
Until then, bank a single raster. And this is “ideologically bad”, unnecessary
brakes and hello. :v2_sick;
Bla>; This is an automatic machine that moves sprites of arbitrary size in multiples
Bla> familiarity, mirroring them, and loading them. Its architecture
Bla> is tied to the number of foreground and background planes, and
Bla> specifically - only one foreground plane is assumed.
It would be strange to invent some special bicycles for individual plans and
individual types of objects, when everyone has known a universal solution for a long time. :)
Bla> That is. actually the same machine, but based on an additional CPU. This is possible
Bla> think.
Everything is in the same building and is very simply arranged.
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Gee, SfS also answered about the same thing in parallel...
Hello, SfS
Gee, SfS also answered about the same thing in parallel... :)
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> This is generally a matter for emulators. There is hardly any point in the release
Bla> intermediate iron.
Have you ever made more or less complex hardware? IMHO - no. Otherwise I would have known
that intermediate iron is almost always present. ALL you are never anywhere
which emulator you don’t take into account.
Bla> When implemented in an FPGA, there is not much difference between all modes or half.
Bla> The FPGA is immediately selected for the final configuration, and for how long
Bla> will be written at 50% or 100%; this does not affect the complexity of the hardware.
It's good to be tiaretic!
Bla> You have the entire screen with many bitplanes in one page of RAM
Does Bla> fit? I have RAM for 8 bitplanes, which is roughly 64k, which is 4 times
Bla> more than a page of RAM.
8 bitplanes for a processor may look like bits-per-point. 256x192 it will be
6k address space of the processor. At a resolution of 512x384 - 24K addressable
process space. If you programmed EGA video cards, you would know how
this is being implemented.
Bla> And what kind of one-frame can there be? Again - for now. Why is this
Bla> amateur radio? Massive Soviet amateur radio died togetherBla> with the death of deficiency. It has been proven a hundred times - serial TFT is cheaper and
Bla> is more reliable than an amateur radio craft.
If amateur radio is understood as creating electronics with your own hands, then
Look in Rambler for the number of sites that are dedicated to this. And also think
who writes articles for magazines and who buys these magazines. And e-books
homemade products - also probably published just like that... In general - you have a rich
imagination.
Bla> Believe me, there is absolutely nothing complicated about this.
A favorite phrase of people who haven't done much themselves.
Hello Lethargeek
Let> why not?
Because TFT can be bought in St. Petersburg and in Chukotka or Taimyr and everything
better quality and cheaper.
Let> The number of free legs tends to correlate with the price
Let> mentioned FPGAs
It is not necessary to switch to super centipedes, bitplanes are all the same and
the same actions are performed on them, which means that such structures are good
are scaled. Those. instead of one expensive FPGA you can install several
equally cheap. It is natural to carry out a cost assessment of solution options
necessary.
Hello, SfS
SfS> You will never take into account EVERYTHING anywhere on any emulator.
Intermediate hardware is made on a breadboard, but intermediate printed circuit boards
can only be the result of errors. With proper preparatory work in
The series includes only a well-functioning design. If you have some defects in your series -
it means your debugging process is not good enough, that’s all.
SfS> If amateur radio is understood as..
I suggest not to be distracted by discussing abstract topics, much less get into
such nonsense as: who did what and what titles he has :). Your titles are
Your answers. If they are competent and clearly stated - your title is “professional”,
if there is nothing in them except “laughs” - your title is “flooder” or “lamer”.
Each of your messages contains your title, you choose it yourself depending
depends on how you feel about the issue under discussion. Therefore, if it suits you
there is nothing to say, it is better to refrain from flooding and demagoguery like:
SfS> Favorite phrase of people who themselves did little.
I hope for mutual understanding and more fruitful cooperation aimed
on the result, and not on the swelling of the cheeks.
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> And what is the difference between these two statements? Next:Especially for you
Bla> separated serial production from debugging, so that even absent-minded
Bla> specialists more focused on “overthrow” were not
Bla> is hard to notice :) .
A series of 2 or 4 boards is also a series (though expensive) - used for experimental
assembly and debugging. Your multi-legged velvets are not for the layout of Leningrad
will you solder? They have a step of about half a millimeter - 5 legs for each hole
your universal breadboard ;)
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> Then the best option is 384x256. In this case, the aspect ratio
Bla> remains 4:3 and the numbers are more or less beautiful. Pay attention -
Bla> actually 4:3 is the technological aspect ratio of the CRT and it
Bla> was saved not only in TV, but also in VGA and SVGA and XGA, because flasks
Bla> tubes were produced using almost the same technologies, and
Bla> just now they started riveting 16:10 and then TFT and plasma.
These truisms are very familiar to me, and 384x256 is planned from the very
started. Another thing is that in practice the visible area may have to be compressed,
the whole problem is in the frequencies of “close” VGA video modes.
Bla> It is not necessary to switch to super centipedes, all bitplanes
Bla> are the same and the same actions are performed on them, which means
Bla> such structures scale well.
In theory.
Bla> That is. instead of one expensive FPGA, you can install several identical
Bla> cheap. It is natural to carry out a cost assessment of solution options
Bla> necessary.
The prognosis is unfavorable.
Bla> 1) As I understand it, in the version that you propose, the architecture will beBla> is closed for development towards increasing resolution and to the maximum
Bla> will it be possible to increase the color depth? Or further growth
Bla> is not provided? If provided, then until what date?
Now the task is to squeeze out maximum improvements specifically for compatible
standard screen, that's what I think it's done. By color - so there is also a “mode” with
12-bit color when both layers are combined. And permission to inflate further
pointless - the inevitable failure of compatibility looms in the end. Indeed
a new, incompatible mode makes sense only for an equally new Spec
(on a new element base AND with slightly different characteristics). With support
this “old” ess (by that time I think it won’t be a problem in the then
FPGA all together) to be able to launch during this time
the developed software was “exported” and the new mode as a free application. And
What it will be like, this new regime - “collective experience” will tell.
Bla> 2) Do you move the foreground sprites with a blitter, but what about the entire background? B
Bla> both dimensions?
I clearly wrote that “everything, everywhere, and all kinds of things.” "Sprites" are nothing special
simple blocks are no different. Transparent color is processed by booleans
operations along with everything else.Bla> 3) Shadow RAM is used to prepare the image, or maybe for
Bla> what else?
To store anything, even data for the host.
You can even allow code to be executed from there, but I don’t think it’s necessary. :)
Bla> 4) As I understand it, this will be an additional controller, and what will happen with
Bla> video processor on the motherboard? Will it be ballast or is there a use?
Is it possible to connect a second screen (that is, a TV) in special debuggers and
monitor your digestion.
Bla> 5) Switching to extended mode by switching in the system register
Bla> or is there only one mode?
One. There "modes" are not modes, but simply "configurations", they can be switched
even in the middle of a line.
Bla> 6) What about the backward compatibility of the new software? At the beginning standard
Bla> screen, and then go to the extended one if there is one? You can make software
Bla> for both screens within the same project (i.e. the differences are not that great
Bla> is it easier to write another program than to adapt it)?
Maximum ease of adaptation. I already wrote once - theoretically it is possible
write a program for the new mode, which will not even check its presence,
Moreover, on a regular Spec we will also see a completely sane picture. Old screen -just one of the states of the new.
Bla> 7) Mirroring also using a blitter? What else
Bla> will there be hardware-implemented effects?
Blitter organizes only a sequence of standard operations, they can all be
will also execute from the host. Also print “by color”/“under color”, brush/texture,
all other logic. Transposition with scaling is possible. Geometry and
vector functions (its own, but this is no longer a blitter) - separately and only if there is space
will remain. I don’t want to describe it in detail and I won’t, because everything can change.
Bla> 8) Operations on video data and control registers, by mechanism
Bla> will there be similar EGAs?
At a “lower” level, but more convenient. :) EGA is generally somewhat delusional.
Hello Lethargeek
her> 2 Lethargic - useless!!!
Experiments on cats are underway!! Don't make noise in the laboratory! :v2_finge;
Here; how then I’ll start to tease you that even the Black Cat already understands everything, but
you haven't yet... :v2_wink:
Hello Lethargeek
Let> 384x256 planned
Sorry, I made a mistake with the arithmetic there :), correct 384x288, which will be 4:3,
True, the numbers are not very beautiful.
Let> specifically for a standard screen compatible
I hope you mean 256x192?
Let> it makes sense to do an incompatible mode only for an equally new one
Let> Speck (on a new element base AND with slightly different ones
Let> characteristics).
There is no need to create an incompatible mode at all, there are already enough of them for some
clones My opinion about the ideology of compatibility is known - this is 4: 3 and according to
integer scaling capabilities (in the case of 384x288, the coefficient
scaling 1.5). Text screens are a separate compromise.
Let> 2) Do you move the foreground sprites with a blitter, but what about the entire background? B
Let> both dimensions?
This meant something like hardware scrolling, when it actually moves
screen relative to a still background.
Hello Shaos
Sha> You can’t solder your multi-legged corduroys onto the breadboard of Leningrad
Sha> will you?
Well, you really don’t know about the existence of adapter breadboards :), or do you think that
I don't know either? :)
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> Offtopic::) Are you experiencing a seasonal exacerbation of jealousy? :) So, it’s not spring
Bla> more :) No, something clearly needs to be done about global warming :).
You will blather when you become a moderator of this section.
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> That is. 12 bit planes is the intended maximum.
Lethargic, this is called he understood you?!
Hello Lethargeek
Let> Experiments on cats are underway!! Don't make noise in the laboratory! :v2_finge;
Let>;
Let> This is how I’ll start telling you that even the Black Cat has had enough
Let> it’s clear, but you still don’t... :v2_wink;
So; why is it quiet? You don't understand either. And it’s been almost a year already :)
Hello icebear
Offtopic:
ice> Lethargic, this is called he understood you?!
:) Are you experiencing a seasonal exacerbation of jealousy? :) So, it’s not spring yet :) No, sir
Because of global warming, something clearly needs to be done :).
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> Well, you really don’t know about the existence of adapter layouts :) (example:
Bla> http://sblive.narod.ru/ZX-Spectrum/ReSpecT/FOTO.jpg ) , or you hope
Bla> what don’t I know? :) So we're doing demagoguery? Not good! :confused;
Ha; photo PLCC adapter - soldered into any breadboard with a pitch of 0.1 inches and not
has nothing to do with the adapter for example for TQFP, which I meant -
these adapters are often more expensive than the produced experimental board,
designed for such a small housing, and sometimes for frequency and noise protection
characteristics, some conclusions should be as short as possible, which
An adapter won't work...
Hello, The Exploited
The> well, why... there are, for example, such layouts:
The> http://www.chip-dip.ru/product0/500932202.aspx
1 buck a piece is really cheap, but still nothing fast
It’s better not to solder here - it will fail (at first I myself wanted such breadboards
to do some experiments, but knowledgeable people dissuaded me).
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> Sorry, I made a mistake with the arithmetic there, correctly 384x288, at the same time
Bla> will be 4:3, although the numbers are not very beautiful.
Well, there will be a minimal border in the form of stripes at the top and bottom, and to hell with it.
Bla> 256x192 I hope you mean?
This refers to the programming method and the minimality of patches.
256x192 will not go anywhere from the center of the screen.
Bla> That is. 12 bit planes is the intended maximum.
In principle, you can double the scanning frequency and get trucocolor, but why?
In addition to the brakes, the memory will need to be expanded (otherwise it will be useless), the DAC will need to be expanded
again... Legs are needed or extra body(s) for sequential transmissions.
Ftopka. Let 12 at least master it.
Bla> There is no need to create an incompatible mode at all, there are already enough of them
Bla> some clones. My opinion about the ideology of compatibility is known -
Bla> is 4:3 and, if possible, integer scaling (in case
Bla> 384x288 scaling factor 1.5). Text screens -
Bla> separate compromise.
Now there is no need (and what will happen next - hell knows). And in case
384x288 scaling factor is just one. :D Because he (cfc) torefers to the pixel size, not the APA portion of the raster.
Bla> This meant something like hardware scrolling, when in fact
Bla> the screen moves relative to a stationary background.
Yes, everything hangs on the blitter, its speed is such that the whole screen
You can scroll through it six or seven times per frame. Or any window without problems, while
like hardware scrolling without tricks only on the whole screen, but with tricks on
Spec is tight due to the lack of a developed interrupt system (or you need a bunch
create additional settings)... What the heck.
Hello, Black_Cat
Resolution is the density (number) of elements (pixels) per unit
area.
The border is considered because it consists of the same pixels.
Hello Lethargeek
Let> It’s not necessary now (and who knows what will happen next). A
Let> in the case of 384x288 the scaling factor is just one. Because
Let> that it (cfc) refers to the pixel size, and not to the APA part of the raster.
For more details please, I didn’t even get in. I talked about resolution scaling.
Hello Shaos
Sha> but nevertheless, it’s better not to solder anything fast here - it will fail
Well, are we discussing a specific design? Everything is clear to everyone, except the stubborn one
Shaos, who finally set out to convict me of something :). Your energy, yes
for peaceful purposes...
Don't write any more off topic.
Hello Shaos
Sha> In the photo there is a PLCC adapter - soldered into any breadboard with a pitch of 0.1
Sha> inches
simple socket with pins
Sha> and has nothing to do with the adapter for example for TQFP,
Well, why... there are, for example, such layouts:
http://www.chip-dip.ru/product0/500932202.aspx
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> Well, are we discussing a specific design? Everything is clear to everyone, except
Bla> stubborn Shaos, who finally set out to convict me of something :).
Bla> Your energy, but for peaceful purposes..
Bla> Do not write any more off-topic.
Actually, again there is an unmotivated slander coming from you: here is Shaos, how
a specialist in soldering all sorts of electrical things quite constructively (you
did you want this?) pointed out your mistakes. As a result, we get another one from you
suspicion of a “Jewish-Masonic conspiracy.” Well, well...
Hello Lethargeek
Let> Resolution is the density (number) of elements (pixels) per
Let> unit of area.
This is then called the specific number of pixels per unit area, or
pixel density and it really can be = const, but not 1 (nor
in SI, nor in GHS, if the screen is of course ordinary). And here is the relative density
pixels can actually be equal to 1.
Resolution itself is a two-dimensional absolute value. So when
When we say “resolution scaling”, we mean proportional
scaling factor increasing the dimension value on both
coordinates, or one of them.
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> Then this is called the specific number of pixels per unit area
So this IS permission. In this case, the “unit of area” is dimensionless
value - "one screen". Another example is how resolution is specified
scanners/printers? Type "400 dpi", "dots per square inch" (inch - specific
unit). Both one-dimensional "horizontal resolution" and "vertical resolution"
- the same thing.
Bla> and it really can be = const, but by no means 1
Wake up. One was equal to the scaling factor there.
Bla> Resolution itself is a two-dimensional absolute value.
But no, see above. :)
And 256x192 on Spec is not the resolution of the SCREEN, but the one displayed on the memory
A PART of the raster, that's all. And if I draw some thread on one TV
sprite, it will be the same size in both 256x192 and 384x256. On the dog
the displayed raster occupies the entire screen, so here such
they don't make mistakes.
Bla> Therefore, when we say “resolution scaling”, we mean
Bla> increase in value proportional to the scaling factor
Bla> dimensions along both coordinates, or along one of them.
Exactly what density is. The fact that the area is represented as the product X * Y,
does not play a role.In general, there are really two scaling factors, one for each
axis
In short, learn the terms while I finish the discussion. In short, I'm my version
outlined, and its further discussion goes beyond the scope of pure “concepts”.
Bla> By the way, Sonic came up with the idea about monochrome mode:
Smialso. :D
Hello Lethargeek
Let> Learn the terms briefly
Aspect ratio is called when the square pixel (physically) is equal to 1, set it up
back in the days of CGA/MDA (on pussies, and maybe even earlier), and it would have been needed
the circle was round and not oval
Let> Like "400 dpi", "dots per square inch" (inch is a specific unit).
Dots per inch of current is not square but horizontal or vertical :) Usually
horizontal resolution is more serious than vertical.
Hello hero
her> Aspect ratio is called when a square pixel (physically) is equal to 1,
her> they started it back in the days of CGA/MDA (on pussy, and maybe even earlier),
her> and it is needed so that the circle is round and not oval
Not at all, aspect ratio is about aspect ratio and shape correction.
Although “resolution scaling” does sound somewhat ambiguous.
her> Dots per inch of current is not square, but horizontally or vertically :)
her> Usually horizontal resolution is more serious than vertical.
Achepyatka.
Hello, Black_Cat
Bla> Well, are we discussing a specific design? Everything is clear to everyone, except
Bla> stubborn Shaos, who finally set out to convict me of something :).
Bla> Your energy, but for peaceful purposes..
Bla> Do not write any more off-topic.
I’m not trying to incriminate, but to convey to you a common sense idea that peremptory
statements like “there is no intermediate iron, and if you have errors in
printed circuit board, then you are a fool" or "zx128 with holedos is a true Spectrum
, but atm is not due to the uneven distribution of information density
per inch of live weight of the spektrumist working behind him, and who doesn’t think so -
filthy atm specialist" make it clear to the reader that you are either being a fool or
in fact, an ignorant lamer, sacredly confident in his infallibility
divinity... :v2_sick:
Hello, Maksagor
> Actually, again there is an unmotivated slander coming from you: here is Shaos,
> as a specialist in soldering all sorts of electrical things quite well
> constructively (that's what you wanted?) pointed out your mistakes. B
> as a result we receive from you another suspicion of “Jewish-Masonic
> conspiracy." Well, well...
Well, in fairness, I must say that I’m more of an amateur when it comes to soldering (but
advanced - experience of friendship with a soldering iron goes back more than 20 years), and
I specialize in system programming :wink: