Project - "In the Echoes of the Day"
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From 500:812/22.01 → To Paul Falcon 29 January 1998
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Paul Falcon ┌┐│/│Ca/ k Oleg Grigoriev ┌┐p0 Project - “In the Echoes of the Day”:
├┤i Paul & Oleg!
PF>>> I’m certainly not normal, but strangely enough I’m there too
PF>>> buffer. in total there are 65536+16384+1024+4096+12000. program
PF>>> barely fits in memory.
OG>> And if it’s not a secret, then what for? What is he collecting echoes in his memory?
PF> no, opens swap, fortunately access to the disk drive is fast and size
PF> it's rubber and I have nothing else to do... IMHO it's different
PF> is not allowed.
According to my conservative estimates, it is quite possible to make a tosser
work on a 48 machine in isdos. May require
about 5 KB of memory (excluding code of course). But with great
number of letters (more than 3000) you may need a .tmp file for
swapping. However, this method has a drawback - tossing
carried out in two passes. The first is checking and accumulation
information about the letters, and the second is direct tossing. Except
Moreover, it is also difficult to delete already used letters, because... they
are glued in order of arias. To avoid races, I’ll say right away:
that this does not slow down the process at all thanks to two passes.
Naturally, the brakes are immeasurable - you have to pull the disc a lot. For thisyou need a large cache and even more with read ahead of the required
info.
PF>>> yes, although you can pervert it somehow.
OG>> Well, this is only if it is a com file, and even then not every asm
OG>> will allow you to have ORG 24000 or 23900.
PF> org 24576
PF> work 24000
PF> ...
PF> work
2_OG: Are we being lame? Most assemblers have
Possibility of assembling to disk...
But it’s difficult without a lot of effort: you’ll either have to do all the restarts
numbers, or load a bunch of EQU with restarts. And about connection
table of labels is out of the question... But in the most basic way, max. label lengths
(now it will be funny! ;) 6 characters!!! This is if you need to come up with it
label, then you need to manage so that it does not coincide with an existing one
and so that later it would be clear what it is all about.
PF> in some ways yes, and more specifically in its constant presence in memory
PF> and everything else is a big disadvantage.
After PC maybe. But on spec there’s nothing decent at all
there is no one that looks like it. You have to use it. STS doesn't count - when there's a lot
buttons and each has its own function. Don’t remember when you need to, and
Pressing is sometimes dangerous. And the font in STS - you can become disabled
because of your eyesight and not to join the army...P.S. IsDos is a steering thing.... it would be if it were in a jar and cache
also in the jar and use 48 memory under the program. And another driver
upper memory is needed, not an electric disk - so that pages
allocated memory.
Wi7h be57 Wi5he5, FK0.
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From 500:812/03.00 → To Oleg Grigoriev 31 January 1998
I suddenly see on 01/30/98, at 03:33:05 someone
Oleg Grigoriev wrote to Paul Falcon about the Project - “In the Echoes of the Day”:
Hi Oleg!
PF>> no, opens swap, fortunately access to the disk drive is fast and size
PF>> it’s rubber and I have nothing else to do... IMHO it’s different
PF>> is not allowed.
OG> I don't understand :( Look - there are a lot of files, I need to sort them
OG> echo them and glue them together. So how does he do it? Takes the letter, op-
OG> divides its ownership and appends the specified content to the file
OG> number of bytes? In a hole?
it was subtle English humor :) he collects echoes in his memory,
Naturally, everything is done in two passes.
PF>>org 24576
PF>> work 24000
PF>> ...
PF>> work
OG> And not every ACM can do this. Shall we replace it?
xas,tasm,masm,storm,alasm,zxasm,gens I don’t remember anymore, it seems
Can everyone do it or did I miss one?
PF>> in some ways yes, and more specifically in its constant presence in memory
PF>> and everything else is a big disadvantage.
OG> Interesting about what? STS has 2 advantages - what it doesn’t use OG> stack, and high tracing speed. The shadow has advantages
crap on the stack??? in sax... but we can’t talk about tracing
to even remember - ttrrrrrrttrtrtr.... :)
OG> much more. This is also elementary swearing. operations, and work with bits -
OG> mi, and simple access to memory and registers, well, etc.
in STS everything is an order of magnitude simpler, both access to registers and access to
memory, and viewing with tags (I’ll compile what in xas e,
I trace in STS with tags), five slots for memorization
addresses and quick navigation through them, several steps
traces.
PF>> secondly, I can take a scorpion even for free, but more than 100 for
PF>> few people will pay the fee right now (unless of course without a tower)
OG> Well, it depends on what board.
green + smook (person completely leaves the spec)
PF>> never.
OG> It’s visible;-)))
so you probably won’t have to at all, since it’s easier to read discs
do with launching is-dosa after work. or is-dos nafig
unload from memory to swap. Fortunately, the falcon has a large propeller.
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