From
Evgeny Mamaev
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To
All
25 July 2002
Greetings, All!
Are there people here who could help me with the subject?
I'm waiting for an answer, All...
From
Sergey Zotov
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To
Evgeny Mamaev
28 July 2002
A day has passed, and you are still alive! Evgeny!
On 25 Jul 02, Evgeny Mamaev wrote to All:
EM> Are there people here who could help me with the subject?
once (4 years) ago I knew him just perfectly... ask - I’ll try
help.
ZXNet: 500:8462/1 ~/ <~ http://zx.fatal.ru/
Fido: 2:5057/21.93 /_ _> SkyNet: 71:170/21
From
Kirill Frolov
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To
Evgeny Mamaev
29 July 2002
Press RESET immediately, Evgeny!
25 Jul 02 19:16, Evgeny Mamaev wrote to All:
EM> Are there people here who could help me with the subject?
REAL PROGRAMMERS DO NOT USE PASCAL
─────────────────────── ───────────────────────
Ed Post
Wilsonville, Oregon
In the past, during the golden era of computers, it was easy to distinguish
boy from her husband (otherwise they are called “suckers” and “real
men", respectively). Then the real men were those who
understood programming, suckers - those who did not understand.
a real programmer could easily pronounce phrases such as "DO 10
I = 1.10" or "AVOST", and all the rest are something like "Computer too-
com is difficult for me" and "I can't rely on computers - they are too
com are impersonal." Previous work, B. Feirstein, "real men-
officials do not eat fruit pie", PocketBook edition, 1982,
notes that real men do not rely on anything and do not
they are afraid of being impersonal.
Oh times are changing. Today we live in a world in which
little old ladies can buy a computerizedmicrowave oven, 12-year-old boys can be unsettled
real men when playing asteroids and asshole on a computer and, in general,
anyone can buy and understand their own personal-
nal computer. a real programmer is in danger, he may be
replaced by high school students.
However, there is a difference between a first-year student
who has mastered the game of points on a computer and is a real programmer. Knowledge
these differences can help children know what to strive for -
behavior model, father stereotype. This will also help save
jobs for real programmers.
The easiest way to determine who is a real pro is
a grammarian - according to the programming language used. real
programmers use Fortran. Suckers use Pascal.
Iclaus Wirth, the developer of Pascal, was once asked: "How do you
say your last name?" "You can contact me at
surname, pronouncing it 'Wirth'
From
Konstantin Butorin
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To
Kirill Frolov
30 July 2002
Hi, Kirill!
July 29, 2002 00:10, Kirill Frolov wrote to Evgeny Mamaev:
EM>> Are there people here who could help me with the subject?
KF> REAL PROGRAMMERS DO NOT USE PASCAL
KF> ────────────────────────── ────────────────────
What kind of nonsense is this? Did you make the wrong aria? To your great regret, at universities
currently only PASCAL, Delphi and ASM are used. Less often - S. About such anachronism
everyone has long forgotten. Find me at least one office when applying for a job in
which is asked the question - do you know Fortran? More often - Visual Basic ;)
Bye Kirill...
From
Kirill Frolov
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To
Konstantin Butorin
23 August 2002
Press RESET immediately, Konstantin!
30 Jul 02 23:10, Konstantin Butorin wrote to Kirill Frolov:
EM>>> Are there people here who could help me with the subject?
KF>> REAL PROGRAMMERS DO NOT USE PASCAL
KB> What kind of nonsense is this? Did you make the wrong aria? To your great regret,
KB> Universities now use only PASCAL, Delphi and ASM. Less often - S. O
KB> everyone has long forgotten such anachronism. Find me at least one office, at
KB> applying for a job in which they ask the question - do you know Fortran?
KB> More often - Visual Basic ;)
This is only because almost no one knows Fortran anymore.
From
Kirill Palmin
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To
Konstantin Butorin
24 August 2002
Guten Tag!
KF>> REAL PROGRAMMERS DO NOT USE PASCAL
KF>> ────────────────────────── ────────────────────
KB> What kind of nonsense is this? Did you make the wrong aria? To your great regret,
KB> Universities now use only PASCAL, Delphi and ASM. Less often - S. O
Don't speak for everyone.. ~~~~~~
We also had Fortran. It doesn’t matter what you write on, the main thing is what and how.
KB> everyone has long forgotten such anachronism. Find me at least one office, at
KB> applying for a job in which they ask the question - do you know Fortran?
If this is an old office and they once had developments in Fortran, then
they will ask you to have an idea.
KB> More often - Visual Basic ;)
In general, this is a very old text.
Auf Wiedersehen.
24 Aug 02
From
Vlad Sotnikov
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To
Kirill Frolov
27 August 2002
Hello Kirill!
August 23, 2002 (it was 01:33 then)
Kirill Frolov in his letter to Konstantin Butorin wrote:
EM>>>> Are there people here who could help me with the subject?
KF>>> REAL PROGRAMMERS DO NOT USE PASCAL
KB>> What kind of nonsense is this? Did you make a mistake with the aria? To your great regret,
KB>> Universities now use only PASCAL, Delphi and ASM. Less often - S.
KB>> Everyone has long forgotten about such anachronism. Find me at least one
KB>> office, when applying for a job in which they ask the question - a
KB>> do you know Fortran? More often - Visual Basic ;)
KF> This is only because almost no one knows Fortran anymore.
Now I'm studying Fortran for ProfPZU. I’m still getting the hang of it, hence the question: did you use it?
Has anyone ever seen him in the Monitor on Scorp?
Vega/ex-Style Group.
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From
Kirill Frolov
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To
Vlad Sotnikov
27 August 2002
Press RESET immediately, Vlad!
27 Aug 02 00:32, Vlad Sotnikov wrote to Kirill Frolov:
VS> Currently I’m studying Fortran for ProfPZU.
Don't confuse FORTRAN (aka FORmula TRANslator) and FORTH.
So in the shadow market it’s not even FORTH, but something vaguely reminiscent of it...
From
Nikolaj Amosov
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To
Vlad Sotnikov
27 August 2002
Hello Vlad!
27 Aug 02 0:32, Vlad Sotnikov -> Kirill Frolov:
[disk error]
KB>>> Everyone has long forgotten about such anachronism. Find me at least one
KB>>> office, when applying for a job in which they ask the question - a
KB>>> do you know Fortran? More often - Visual Basic ;)
KF>> This is only because almost no one knows Fortran anymore.
VS> Currently I am studying Fortran for ProfPZU.
It's Fort, not Fortran.
VS> I’m still getting the hang of it, from here
VS> question: has anyone ever used it in Monitor on Scorpia?
I used and studied Fort until I had a real Fort.
If you want to study, get it from Gruzdev named FORT.ZIP = 521
kilo. There is the Fort itself for Speck and several books on it.
Nikolaj
From
Vlad Sotnikov
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To
Kirill Frolov
30 August 2002
Hello Kirill!
August 27, 2002 (it was 05:22 then)
Kirill Frolov in his letter to Vlad Sotnikov wrote:
VS>> Currently I’m studying Fortran for ProfPZU.
KF> Don't confuse FORTRAN (aka FORmula TRANslator) and FORTH.
KF> So in the shadow market it’s not even FORTH, but something remotely related to it
KF> reminiscent...
For me, so far everything is one - solid hieroglyphs... When I study it, then
I can distinguish.
Vega/ex-Style Group.
FIDO: 2:5030/885.34 ZXNET: 500:812/5.13 E-mail: vega56@mail.ru
From
Vlad Sotnikov
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To
Nikolaj Amosov
30 August 2002
Hello Nikolaj!
August 27, 2002 (and it was 21:08 then)
Nikolaj Amosov in his letter to Vlad Sotnikov wrote:
KB>>>> Everyone has long forgotten about such anachronism. Find me at least one
KB>>>> office, when applying for a job in which they ask the question - a
KB>>>> do you know Fortran? More often - Visual Basic ;)
KF>>> This is only because almost no one uses Fortran anymore
KF>>> knows.
VS>> Currently I’m studying Fortran for ProfPZU.
NA> There is Fort, not Fortran.
Already in the course. enlightened.
VS>> I’m still getting the hang of it, from here
VS>> question: has anyone ever used it in Monitor on Scorp?
NA> I used and studied Fort until I had a real Fort.
NA> If you want to study, pull it from Gruzdev named FORT.ZIP = 521
NA> kilo. There is the Fort itself for Speck and several books on it.
Freaks?
Vega/ex-Style Group.
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From
Kirill Frolov
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To
Vlad Sotnikov
31 August 2002
Press RESET immediately, Vlad!
30 Aug 02 08:54, Vlad Sotnikov wrote to Kirill Frolov:
KF>> Don't confuse FORTRAN (aka FORmula TRANslator) and FORTH.
KF>> So in the shadow market it’s not even FORTH, but something remotely related to it
KF>> reminiscent...
VS> For me, so far everything is one - solid hieroglyphs... That's when I study it
VS> then you can distinguish.
FORTRAN is very vaguely similar to BASIC. And the fort is where everything is back
written in advance, as in B3-31 calculators: 2 2 + . 4.
From
Nikolaj Amosov
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To
Vlad Sotnikov
31 August 2002
Hello Vlad!
30 Aug 02 8:56, Vlad Sotnikov -> Nikolaj Amosov:
[disk error]
NA>> I used and studied Fort until I had a real Fort.
NA>> If you want to study, pull it from Gruzdev named FORT.ZIP = 521
NA>> kilo. There is the Fort itself for Speck and several books on it.
VS> Freaks?
Most likely yes.
Nikolaj