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Hi Paul! PF> here are the questions: And here are the answers :) (immediately: don’t kick me, I don’t know at the proper level, what is OS. But comrade DARK knows... He is an Amizhnik... The Amiga probably has one last advantage left in front of the pussy is her Axis. So, he enlightens me on this topic. Although I feel (subconsciously) how it should be...) PF> 1. what is the concept (cool said :) like that Make life easier for programmers. Programmers should get rid of headaches on the following topics: 1) file system and disk work (completely!) 2) machine configuration (memory and resources, access to them) 3) work with devices such as mouse/keyboard/printer/joystick... 4) add your own hemorrhoids :) I will note that, it seems, all this is in the isdos. Only here's why dedicated programmers have persistent headaches, I don't know... PF> multitasking/filesystem/extensibility. multitasking... hehe, I wish I could. explain to me what this is... a) a la Windows. you can run several tasks (window ones), as well as tedious tasks in native 640k emulation. Everything works at the same time or some are sleeping, and some are working at the same time. ( !!! I could be wrong, correct me. I don’t like the work of MSDOSA/Windovoz, I try not to interfere anywhere and do only what is necessary directly). tasks are switched using a timer (msdos) or something else...(plz correct me if wrong). b) amigoos. the problem of emulating any other disappears systems, there is no memory problem, everything is simpler... tasks can be returned extra (for them) time for each other, a flexible system of priorities. I won’t go into more detail - I don’t want to get into the weeds. so, there will be no correct mode of the tr-dos task (gee-gee, there is no MMU on Spec, as well as a supervisor stack :) and there is no timer hanging on NMI) We will try our best. Own tasks... I think, as in b) :) (I repeat, the main ideologist is DARK; if you are interested, I can ask him to describe everything... if really interesting) file system... its own. 1) built-in support for all spec systems and msdos. 2) the main system is our own, existing us not satisfied. It will be easy enough to do: a) arbitrary device size (although, probably, 4 gig will be enough) b) arbitrary file length (or 16 meg, haven’t thought about it yet) c) lack of the concept of “cluster” d) absence of the concept of "veil" e) 16...32 characters in the name (and maybe a comment) f) naturally, segmentation and subdirectories... possible (I have ideas): a) an indestructible disk. If all directories/subdirectories/ are killed bit map of blocks/part of files, it will be possible to restore the file system and surviving files. b) a small sharpening for floppy drive is possible, like a root/bitmap near the middle of the disk...extensibility... Maximum possible. Programmer can expand the system at its own discretion (one time! and not in each of its programs). If I'm not mistaken, on the pussy there is such a file "DOS4GV" or something similar... In my opinion, this is what it is, i.e. file complementing the system and written once. On the Amiga it’s even cooler - there the whole system consists of pieces (libraries)... PF> 2. how will total control over what is happening be arranged? No way. But something can be foreseen. For future hardware gadgets. PF> 3. in these words, please, what will be in the operating system inside. Everything is in the pages. In memory of the resident. Pages for the system We won’t regret it at the expense of performance. Optimally - not lower than Scorpio... You'll have to struggle with portability... But it's done perfectly, and it seems to work well. And so - I don’t know... As I already said, so far everything is at the concept level. If there was a backbone, the meat would grow... All that remains is to decide... Just like that. What are your thoughts? You seem to be quite familiar with the pussy - maybe you can tell me what? I think that we should take it from the pussy too all the best he has... All the best. Dmitry aka -=LD=- / X-TRADE GROUP. -+- ZXASM 3.0

Hi Paul! PF> in short, you can take the dock using ms-dos or even just using int21h PF> this is like on the RST spec. and, if possible, implement the commands. But no... It will not be a system, but an ersatz! Hehe, I only found out yesterday what exactly Uncle Vitalik wants to do... Have you seen AmigaOS? So, he wants to do even better... where possible. The whole point is that I want it too; I also see that there is nothing here there is no unreal. And I didn’t even talk about half measures... The main question remains: will we be able to support the system? enough software for it? But, in principle, I don’t care. If it is GOOD, then we will not be the only ones writing this software... Multitasking - nada... Object orientation is convenient... UNIX-like sophistication - very good... The graphical interface is familiar to Amizhniki :) Tasks both in the window and in the whole screen; Possibility of frame chips in windows... Supporting all available resources is an eternal problem... Adjustment for Sprinter-like monsters - suddenly it will be in demand! Etc. Etc. We sat and dressed up, which is useless, for example, without frame pixel-by-pixel/line-by-line scrolling in windows... And it seems There are no fundamental obstacles. And got tired of fucking - you sit in STORME, you write something, and then the mouse screen - bam! - and move it away... Or launch another STORM in another window...And it’s possible! "Our goals are clear, our tasks are defined - let's get to work, comrades!" PF> coding for Amiga OS or Windows PF> the order is more complicated without the so-called visual (c++,basic,prolog...) I don’t know, I haven’t tried... But guess what, if there is a system... you need a file one panel open - everything is already there, you need mathematics - there is, you need memory - get back the logical page number and address, you need to suck in the file - catch it, you need to scroll the image - yes, display a car of pictograms/inscriptions - yes... Probably easier than without a normal OS. Where did you see the big one in MSDOS? part of it? DL>> so, there will be no correct mode for the tr-domain task DL>> (gee-gee, there is no MMU on Spec, as well as a supervisor stack :) DL>> and there is no timer hanging on NMI) DL>> we will try to do our best. PF> here’s the question, are you going to screw the piece of hardware? no, it’s better... It would be necessary to provide for the connection of any piece of hardware... That is, there should be nothing fixed in the system - only kernel (multitasking, file system, command line and all). DL>> file system... its own. PF> ы :( PF> is logical, but it’s difficult to re-write an operating system that is not similar PF> (especially with such a main ideologist ;) That's right, you need to make poultices/lotions for isdos! :) DL>> c) lack of the concept of “cluster” PF> is correct in principle, there will be no large files on the spec. You probably didn’t understand... Minimum disk unit space is a sector, not a cluster, as in MSDoS. Essentially, a cluster is always equal to a sector. Hence the savings disk space. There's one more feature here. This is best. We need to make sure that in the middle it was possible to add not only a sector to the file, but also bytes/bytes without scrolling the entire file across the disk. We already know how. (I always liked the isdos - you edit the file for 200 seconds, you add a byte to the beginning, DRY EXIT - and off we go, for half an hour...) Now DARK is drawing an interface in the image of some black and white MAC sample '84 (soulmate in two colors), and I'm getting close to the file system... The process has begun. We may have started in the wrong place but it’s more interesting this way! And we temporarily scored on STORM, perhaps the next version will be for the system :) All the best. Dmitry aka -=LD=- / X-TRADE GROUP. -+- ZXASM 3.0

Hi Paul! DL>> Object orientation is convenient... PF> this somehow relates more to programming. Of course. So what? The programmer should be comfortable. The system should help him, not force him to fight with you. So, an object is convenient... PF> well, of course, but it doesn’t look like coding PF> in BC++ 3.1 under Windows, you sit and remember “what’s the procedure PF> does this??? " ;) Yes, it will be more difficult in places. But there will be opportunities difficult to implement without a system. In addition, you can write an interactive help to each system library. Have you seen, for example, help to TP on the pussy? Shine! It will be in Russian :) DL>> no, better... It would be necessary to provide for the connection of any piece of hardware... DL>> That is, there should be nothing fixed in the system - only DL>> kernel (multitasking, file system, command line and all). PF> no, well, it’s cool, but it works out. Yesterday an idea appeared. Three hours on the phone discussed. There will be a hellish memory allocation mechanism. Moreover, the allocated piece for the program will be continuous, be it at least 100 kilos long. Naturally, working with memory will only be through the system. Let's come up with a bunch of functionsplus user_defined, it will be cool. Structure of a piece of memory - object Memory will be cut inside the system by page and have your own "FAT". It will be possible to add bytes in the middle without scrolling and much more. Only when writing to disk it will slow down - will have to pick up the pieces. But the brake is better once than a brake during the editing process, let's say, big text writers. Pressed enter and wait until the line is inserted into memory... all sorts of things interpage scrolling, etc. Hm. It will be possible directly... PF> well, the steering wheel! Don’t forget to post something about the system here. hehe. I can throw the screen on which they are drawn all sorts of windows... DARK designed the design of the graph. shells. I like... A cross between an Amiga and a Mac. System font - 51 characters. Very beautiful. Best wishes. Dmitry aka -=LD=- / X-TRADE GROUP. -+- ZXASM 3.0

Hello, Dmitry! 09-02-98 at 00:55 Dmitry Lomov wrote to Oleg Grigoriev on topic "os?" OG>> How many descriptors are there in the catalog? Main memory on OG>> too much is not enough. Izza has 128. DL> Not decided. But they decided - 20 characters in the name, 40 comments. DL> It turns out 32 bytes/descriptor, probably 128 at the root. What is the descriptor format? 20 name, 2 download address, 3 length, 4 coordinates on the disk. And 3 more? date and flag? DL> And a subdirectory is a file that can be segmented. Probably in subdirectories DL> without restrictions. Well, suppose there are 1024 files in the subdirectory. 32*1024=32 kilos. I I want to mark them all and copy them to another directory. How is it will it look like? Catalog uploads? DL> Everything is more cunning. The first sector of any file is judicial. DL> and the path to itself (text like TRASH/LOW_TRASH/FILE_NAME). No, no, no! BYTE/WORD/WORD. Pros: fixed length. B In extreme cases, you can use 3 bytes, but IMHO it makes no sense. In my opinion- mu is enough max. 65536 descriptors in the catalog. DL> In addition, it contains specific identifiers and DL> CRC 16 itself. So everything can be restored DL> simply by scanning the disk and finding the first sectors of the files. idea rulez. but speed? this will be terribly slow. DL> (and also, we thought about how to add a byte to the middle of the file. DL> each element of the FAT file has a "sector length" field. Need to add Limits on the number of segments? OG>> PS. The letter turned out to be about Izza, but that’s not much of what I found OG>> I’m not happy with her, and what I wouldn’t like to see in yours. DL> hmm. Take any help/programming_guide/ DL> description to the isdos and the whole is sent to the section DL> “not satisfied”... Although isdos is a system, DL> its ideology is very outdated. About 15 years... Well, blockers and residents are done well there, although about I'm not sure about the last one. By the way, how do you carry out the change- sensitivity? Like in Izze? With best wishes, Ruiner. -+- Shoot-Edit v6.06

Hi, Oleg! DL>> Not decided. But they decided - 20 characters in the name, 40 comments. DL>> It turns out 32 bytes/descriptor, probably 128 at the root. OG> What is the format of the descriptor? 20 name, 2 download address, 3 length, OG> 4 coordinates on disk. And 3 more? date and flag? 20 - name 3 - length 3 - pointer to the first block 4 - date 2 - flags The address starts in the garden. For what? If the file is trdos, there is 8 name, and 12 extra bytes. Let's put it there. OG> Well, let's assume there are 1024 files in the subdirectory. 32*1024=32 kilos. I OG> I want to mark them all and copy them to another directory. How is it OG> will look like? Catalog loading? 1024? I beg you! But still: 1) all free memory in the system automatically used for disk cache. If some the task wants memory, but there is none - part of the cache is deleted. 2) if the entire directory does not fit into memory, we will process it in pieces 3) if the catalog doesn’t fit and you need to mark everything, this is a problem program that does this option if there is no memory: during the marking operation, the files are numbered, the directory is processed in parts. Next, the files are copied one by one (re-read directory, the buffer is filling up, etc.) If there is no memory, yes, there will be a brake, but it will work.If there is memory, everything is cached and flies. How else? Attach 1M memory to some composite is very simple, no one does it, because it's not necessary. And that will be an incentive. I lost track of 1M. It is planned to work at 128. The layout is as follows: 25k low_memory 96k high_memory (or 90 without the 7th screen) The core will occupy, I think, 32k high and 10k low. If there are no other tasks besides the commander (16k high), 48k remains > 0 :) It will work. DL>> Everything is more cunning. The first sector of any file is judicial. DL>> and the path to itself (text like TRASH/LOW_TRASH/FILE_NAME). OG> No, no, no! BYTE/WORD/WORD. Pros: fixed length. Lots of problems. If the directory is deleted - number release? Where to store the list of exempt numbers? How to associate a number and a name? Where to get the directory name if everything crashes? DL>> In addition, it contains specific identifiers and DL>> CRC 16 itself. So everything can be restored DL>> simply by scanning the disk and finding the first sectors of the files. OG> idea rulez. but speed? it will be terribly slow. speed of what? Roughly speaking, you need to read the extra sector. Where does the brake come from? DL>> (and we also thought about how to add a byte to the middle of the file. DL>> each element of the FAT file has a "sector length" field. Need to add OG> Limits on the number of segments? No. Besides the brakes. Once every... do a defrag. The first sector of the file stores part of the fat (256 bytes free in the sector, 4 bytes per descriptor, 64 descriptors, max. 32k described. It's over - the next sector of the file contains another piece of veil.) If you need to insert a byte: 1) see where to paste 2) if in the middle of a certain sector - the sector is divided into two, the total length 513, the first one is trimmed length in descriptor, tail merged with the byte written and received the sector is written somewhere. The whole veil is moving. 3) changes are written to the directory and to the bitmap free blocks. Anything is faster than scrolling, say, 128 seconds (64k) across the disk... And simple recording, although it will be a little slower, than in trdos (long directories, veils, bit map), but there are a lot of advantages. OG> By the way, how do you implement relocation? How in Izze? Yes. We take STORM, broadcast to different addresses, compare, supplement with a correction map Only the process needs to be automated, so as not to write at the end of the program DW label, label, label... All the best.Dmitry aka -=LD=- / X-TRADE GROUP. -+- ZXASM 3.0

Hi, Oleg! DL>> hehe. I can throw the screen on which they are drawn DL>> all sorts of windows... DARK designed the graphic design. OG> Throw it in the fire. I'll throw some soap. I don’t want to quit ahead of time to the masses. This is unnecessary. Let's write a kernel, it will work, If I can open the frame, I'll throw it in. OG> And him. I have never seen a beautiful 51 character font. :) only 64? 42 - ideal; 51 - normal; 64 - shoot yourself... Settled down to 51. All the best. Dmitry aka -=LD=- / X-TRADE GROUP. -+- ZXASM 3.0

Hello Paul! Mon 09-Feb-98 00:00, Paul Falcon (2:5030/529.13) wrote a letter to Dmitry Lomov: DL>> Vitalik... Have you seen AmigaOS? So, he wants even better... where is it DL>> possible. PF> I saw it, I can see it again, fortunately there are plenty of emulators List at least ten. With best wishes, Vladimir.

Hello Paul! Saturday February 14 1998 04:16, Vladimir Larkov (2:5030/362.14@fidonet) -> Paul Falcon, well, I’ll add: DL>>> Vitalik... Have you seen AmigaOS? So, he wants even better... DL>>> where possible. PF>> I saw it, I can see it again, fortunately there are plenty of emulators VL> List at least ten. Yep! And two are enough for me ;) If there is at least one worthy one, then can I have it pour in immediately. 2All: Fill with emulsion, 00:30-06:30, 224-5455. BBS net-current mailer. With best regards, Dmitry.

I’m sitting here, reading, and suddenly I see Vladimir Larkov writes to Paul Falcon, already 14 Feb 98 04:16:00. HI Vladimir! VL> Mon 09-Feb-98 00:00, Paul Falcon (2:5030/529.13) wrote a letter VL> Dmitry Lomov: DL>> Vitalik... Have you seen AmigaOS? So, he wants even better... where is it DL>> possible. PF> I saw it, I can see it again, fortunately there are plenty of emulators VL> List at least ten. ten = in bulk? Did I say that there are plenty of Amigas? I have uae. According to his friends, he is the coolest. and in general, if necessary, write with soap, At the same time, we’ll find out who is to blame in the case of spbzxnet.amy (prepare the database, and you you will see that it has nothing to do with me). ▌█▐▐║▌█▐▐▌▐ W!7h 7he Be$7 W!$he$ fR0M CREATOR product ▌812/03.00▐ Powered by Cyrix 6x86L 200+/16DIMM/S3TrV2 2mb/SBpro/Q1.6Gb/USR28.8

Hello, Dmitry! Mon 16-Feb-98 02:17, Dmitry Lomov (2:5030/529.13) wrote a letter to Oleg Grigoriev: DL> (hehe. On the Amiga there is such a thing - the disk has “collapsed.” DL> During any writing to disk, the system first installs DL> in system. area of the disk some bit, and after recording it resets it. DL> If you turn off the power in the middle of recording, the disk will fail... The Amiga has more than one file system. You're talking about ofs/ffs, but I have three sections of four are afs. She's about an order of magnitude faster, plus she I don’t care at all about when the power supply turns off. Wants some memory (cache) and the faster the percentage, the faster it flies. Eats off some part of the party for system needs, but when the partition is full, it gives back some. Delivered the last time was about six months ago, after I restored the electronics Vinci, since then I haven’t been interested in fragmentation/validation at all ;) That is. not ran no checkers/defragmenters/validators. DL> But in Windows it happened to me like this - before the startup menu by accident DL> turned off the power... as it turned out, the most inopportune moment... DL> So, the whole party crashed... And, completely...)In the axle shaft (hpfs), the check disk automatically begins to rustle on the disk. I have this it happens that the lights are turned off, then someone kind, out of Sinclair’s habit, turns it off power. It also takes time, but so far nothing has died, everything is found. Although it is unknown what will happen at the moment of really active rape of Vincha, For some reason I don’t want to try ;) With best wishes, Vladimir.

Hello, Dmitry! 18-02-98 at 04:27 Dmitry Lomov wrote to Oleg Grigoriev on topic "os?" OG> There is no need for words, it’s better to let C poke the flag.;) DL> wow, I think so too. But DARK is not like that. He says that DL> for example, if the program wants a disk, but it is removed, the system itself DL> will open a frame and say that there is no disk and offer options. In the meantime, killing the information on the screen... DL> I think we should make this option, but it can be disabled... I'm for it. It is necessary to restart, returning the current system configuration we. The program climbs on it and insists on what is best for it. DL>>> And they haven’t thought about restarts yet... DL>>> There will definitely not be RST #10, this is a waste of time. OG>> And memory. DL> from memory - like a win: I meant the channel information area. DL> RST #10:DB #ZZ - two bytes instead of three... No way! Function via register only. Shadowman in mode execution of subroutines will fail. DL> We think like this: DL> #8000-~#8FFF fixed entry points; Kernal. DL> #BE00-#BFFF interrupt vector and a piece of something Variables, what else. DL> #5B00-#7FFF free memory Somehow it wasn't enough... DL> #0000-#3FFF free memory (SCORPION, KAY etc...) The shadow will die, and so will the screw. OG>> It will be funny if all files that have ever existed are restored OG>> on the device. There will be awesome crossing;) DL> the deletion sign can also be stored in a file. It will just take a long time to delete... I don't understand. What is deleting a file? Deleting a file is a mod fication of its descriptor, that is, rename. In the first sector of the file this descriptor is stored, so in any case there will be a brake on communication rewritten with overwriting of this sector. OG>> Well, what did you want? Windows have fulfilled their main purpose - OG>> reading - md. DL> yes, but Windows md only in places. I'm not saying that Windows are bad, I'm saying that they did the job what they should have done, what their main purpose is appointment. must.;-)))))) DL> it doesn’t seem to be buggy... I even learned how to hit with a pussy jerk DL> mouse into icons :) Wow;) Best wishes, Oleg aka Ruiner. -+- Shoot-Edit v6.06

Hello, Dmitry! 18-02-98 at 04:47 Dmitry Lomov wrote to Oleg Grigoriev on topic "os?" DL>> Yes, by the way, for SE#2 we need the 32nd full font. DL> not... Full - means 256-32 characters. Bottom pseudographic DL> to the bathhouse. Catch with soap. There are a little more than 2 of them - that's all I found (I drew a few more especially for you). If some the stubs are impressive, then you can bring them to mind. OG>> Speaking of the magazine. You know that your turbo loader is wildly tor- OG>> mosites the turbo scorpion? The solution is simple - or rewrite the loader OG>> or turn off the turbo while loading. DL> sector cannot be used for a very long time. I made one and a half reserves, and for the turbo DL> it was not enough. In the second issue I will do autoconfig... Why autoconfig? It's easier to turn the turbo off/on. Total 8 byte. DL>>> remained. I think 10,000 cycles per line will work out... OG>> 10000/51=196 clock cycles. DL> yes, about that. DARK said that there are about 50 clock cycles per screen byte. Exactly per byte? DL>>> I don’t know, because, strictly speaking, there are three options - DL>>> moved font (a whole jar, even more), OG>> Exactly one and a half jars, if the font length is 2048. DL> they counted and shed tears... you can’t have more than one. And in general, it’s insanity - the procedure for printing a size with half a system we... Best wishes, Oleg aka Ruiner. -+- Shoot-Edit v6.06

I’m sitting here, reading, and suddenly I see Vladimir Larkov writes to Dmitry Lomov... Hi Dmitry! DL> Can you be more specific? Interesting! We need to use all the ideas DL> that is. Comrades Amizhniki! AmigaOS is one of the last DL> of your bastions! This is really cool. Tell me something DL> kind/good things about her. Start with what is strongest there. VL> This is exactly why SPBZXNET.AMY was made. But for all time VL> there were exactly two and a half questions. They were answered, more VL> there were no questions. in vo, with such questions there, in this echo the number of Amizhniks tends to zero. 2VL - here he answered his own comments about the plus. ▌█▐▐║▌█▐▐▌▐ W!7h 7he Be$7 W!$he$ fR0M CREATOR product ▌812/03.00▐ Powered by Cyrix 6x86L 200+/16DIMM/S3TrV2 2mb/SBpro/Q1.6Gb/USR28.8

Hi, Vladimir! PF> [+] message is not on the topic of echo conference. VL> By the way, you can hang _this_ plus on your wall. Awards and remarks in VL> conferences are distributed on behalf of the moderator or comoderator, and not from VL> subscriber Paul Falcon. he is the moderator... PF> needs to be discussed -> spbzxnet.amy VL> 2DL: let's really go there? It was made for that echo, I’m not the only one here VL> what can I tell you. It’s not about how it looks on the outside, but about what’s there VL> I don’t know much inside. It's possible. But I think it’s possible here too... (hehe, only instead of “Amiga” you need to write a code word, say, "screwdriver" so that Pasha doesn't swear :) VL> This is exactly why SPBZXNET.AMY was made. But for all the time there VL> there were exactly two and a half questions. They were answered, no more questions VL> was. incomprehensible echo... For a question about the system, it doesn’t matter that this and that was done on the Amiga. It is important that there are some good opportunities in nature, and I would like to implement them. And as for my question specifically about the Amiga - really there... Let's do this: what would you, as an Amiga worker (?) like?see in our system (it doesn’t matter whether the Amiga has it or not)? Of course, outside... All the best. Dmitry aka -=LD=- / X-TRADE GROUP. -+- ZXASM 3.0

Hello Paul! Mon 23-Feb-98 01:19, Paul Falcon (2:5030/529.13) wrote a letter to Vladimir Larkov: VL>> By the way, you can hang _this_ plus on your wall. Awards and remarks VL>> in conferences are distributed on behalf of the moderator or comoderator, and not from VL>> subscriber Paul Falcon. PF> It’s not for you to tell me SPbZXNet has nothing to do with Fido, so hang it up PF> a second plus on your wall. Listen, I really don’t like to be rude, but frostbite in large quantities pushes for retaliatory rudeness. I read about a hundred conferences and in almost all (except for LAN and SPb.sysop) there is a mod and a chest of drawers(s). And I _don't_ intend to memorize by heart (and I don’t recommend it to anyone) list of (co)moderators eh. Therefore _subscriber_ Paul Falcon can push the second and subsequent pluses into the same place as previous. In the anus. With best wishes, Vladimir.

Hello Paul! Sun 22-Feb-98 01:02, Paul Falcon (2:5030/529.13) wrote a letter to Alexandr Knyzev: PF> 2DL let's shut up about the amiga. lately she PF> something is unnerving. - “Something has been bothering me lately about Honduras...” - “Don’t scratch it.” With best wishes, Vladimir.

I’m sitting here, reading, and suddenly I see Vladimir Larkov writes to Paul Falcon... Hi Vladimir! PF> It’s not for you to tell me SPbZXNet has nothing to do with Fido, so hang it up PF> a second plus on your wall. VL> Listen, I really don’t like to be rude, but frostbite in big ones VL> quantities pushes to retaliatory rudeness. I read about a hundred VL> conferences and almost all (except local and SPb.sysop) have a mod and VL> chest of drawers(s). And I _don't_intend_ to learn by heart (and I don't advise anyone) VL> list of (co)moderators eh. Therefore _subscriber_ Paul Falcon can VL> push the second and subsequent pluses into the same place as the previous one. B VL> anus. I don’t seem to care what you read and how much. ▌█▐▐║▌█▐▐▌▐ W!7h 7he Be$7 W!$he$ fR0M CREATOR product ▌812/03.00▐ Powered by Cyrix 6x86L 200+/16DIMM/S3TrV2 2mb/SBpro/Q1.6Gb/USR28.8

I’m sitting here, reading, and suddenly I see Dmitry Lomov writing to Vladimir Larkov... Hi Dmitry! VL> 2DL: let's really go there? It was made for that echo, I’m not the only one here VL> what can I tell you. It’s not about how it looks on the outside, but about what’s there VL> I don’t know much inside. DL> You can. But I think it’s possible here too... DL> (hehe, only instead of "Amiga" you need to write a code word, say, DL> "screwdriver" so that Pasha doesn't swear :) I understand, you can discuss anything, but what about Spectrum as it was. and Larkov got excited and in vain. VL> This is exactly why SPBZXNET.AMY was made. But for all the time there DL> there were VL> exactly two and a half questions. They were answered, more DL> there were no questions. DL> incomprehensible echo... Well, if you specifically need it, I can drain it all, zip it up, and throw it to you soap (currently 90% of the letters are about my harmless joke about renaming spbzxnet.amy to spbzxnet.tormoz :) DL> For a question about the system, it doesn’t matter that this and that was done on the Amiga. DL> It is important that there are some good opportunities in nature DL> and I would like to implement them. definitely. ps. I’ll hold off disabling Larkov for now, since it might come in handy :) ▌█▐▐║▌█▐▐▌▐ W!7h 7he Be$7 W!$he$ fR0M CREATOR product ▌812/03.00▐ Powered by Cyrix 6x86L 200+/16DIMM/S3TrV2 2mb/SBpro/Q1.6Gb/USR28.8

I’m sitting here, reading, and suddenly I see Roman Alexandrov writing to Dmitry Lomov... Hi Roman! VL>> By the way, you can hang _this_ plus on your wall. Awards and remarks VL>> in conferences are distributed on behalf of the moderator or comoderator, and not from VL>> subscriber Paul Falcon. DL> he is the moderator... RA> Letters from the moderator in the "From:" column contain the word "Moderator" I would add it to Fido. Our policy says nothing. Moreover, I didn’t turn it off, but warned it. and he is immediately ambitious. ps. let me register with you as a code.zx moderator? ▌█▐▐║▌█▐▐▌▐ W!7h 7he Be$7 W!$he$ fR0M CREATOR product ▌812/03.00▐ Powered by Cyrix 6x86L 200+/16DIMM/S3TrV2 2mb/SBpro/Q1.6Gb/USR28.8

┌┐ CM07p├0 B┴┴py┌ 02/27/98, B 04:35 ├┤ekT0 Dmitry Lomov ┌┐│/│Ca/ k Oleg Grigoriev ┌┐p0 os? : ├┤i Dmitry & Oleg! OG>> If you disable the ROM and press magic, the shadow will die. Already OG>> trust my experience. DL> And what is this vicious habit of pressing Magik? It's time to unlearn :) DL> "system X user manual: please, don't press the Magic key..." At address #0066h in bank 0 you need to put RETN. Or prog emergency system reboot. Wi7h be57 Wi5he5, FK0. -+- SMM version 1.08

*** Reply to the letter in the aria MY_MAIL (Letters for me). Hello Paul! 27 Feb 98, 17:52, Paul Falcon wrote to Roman Alexandrov on the topic "os?": [skipped] RA>> Letters from the moderator in the "From:" column contain the word "Moderator" PF> I would add to Fido. Our policy says nothing. IMHO this is quite logical, so logical that there’s not even anything to discuss. One more point to the question of the invention of the bicycle. [skipped] PF> ps. let me register with you as moderator code.zx? What do you mean???? I don't understand. [skipped] Happy connections. Roman. 01 Mar 98, already 01:26

Hi Valentin! PF>> they freely modified the ROM, but the spec remained with the beta version. PF>> there’s nothing to tell. VP> well, the Spekov method has a big plus. There you can VP> use ROM not only at entry points. Yes, and there are not very many of them, VP> for those writing in ASMA. hehe... There's nothing useful there. Perhaps excluding the calculator (well, very slowly!) and #1f54. Best wishes. Dmitry aka -=LD=- / X-TRADE GROUP. -+- SMM version 1.08

Hi, Oleg! DL>> Yes. Two and a half :) I'm sick of just the appearance/inter- DL>> face... OG> ;) I agree. But you can get used to it. Our main occupation is: (getting used to something that suits only in places, since there is no alternative... DL>>>> And we can talk! OG>>> So I wouldn’t mind! DL>> That’s wonderful. OG> So...? Hehe... we'll finish the magazine in a week, when we have time. Call me, let's talk about our sorrowful affairs... The voice is awesome! 245-38-16 Dima 00:00-02:00 All the best. Dmitry aka -=LD=- / X-TRADE GROUP. -+- SMM version 1.08

Hi Dmitry, In a message of to Paul Falcon (), you wrote: DL> The Amiga probably has one last advantage DL> in front of the pussy is her Axis. If this is the last, then there are no more left. and please don't engage more overkill, it’s better to at least read smart books (not Figurnova, Windows for idiots' and the like). agree that on ambition alone, above dullness and You are unlikely to do any limited positive advertising for your favorite toy. Bye, Michael.

Hi Dmitry, In a message of to Michael Kondratyev (), you wrote: DL>> The Amiga probably has one last advantage DL>> in front of the pussy is her Axis. MK> if this is the last, then there are no more left. DL> Come on, come on... Continue the thought... Otherwise it’s somehow unfinished... Enlighten. I hope you've heard about os/2, nt, linux and others. it just so happens that when talking about "wasps on the pussy" you have to take into account a little more than just the old grandpa msdos. so that the “advantages” are not so unfounded. DL> If we talk about pussy... DL> What elements of which axes on the pussy do you see DL> feasible and desirable on the Spectrum? DL> It would be interesting to know your opinion. To be honest, I don’t know. and first of all because it gets up first The question is about the minimum required configuration of this abstract spectrum. It seems that this is exactly why you need to dance. and, of course, depending on what you want spectrum of application software. DL> And so - I’ll tell you where exactly it was done DL> good/convenient/correct - whether on an Amiga or on a pussy... So try to be more correct and objective. and, of course, have your ownan opinion supported by one’s own knowledge of theory and one’s own practice. not the thing is, when an advertising video is already reflected in beliefs, life is more complicated: and The stains don’t all wash off, and the dandruff doesn’t disappear, and cats bury their whiskey... DL> It is important to me what is done and how to distribute DL> this is on Spectrum. again: it depends on what goals to pursue. the most general ideas may turn out to be universal, but if we go down to the specifics, then almost everywhere we come to dilemma about utility and costs. By the way, a good example is the same isdos; you can see what is distributed and where it comes from, and at the same time try to find explanations why this way and not otherwise? DL> I agree with this florid verbiage thought. DL> Do you want to take her to me? Please, arguments. arguments are just a selection of your own letters. no offense, but well, very, very similar to “Akimov’s vision of the essence of inlight96”. Bye, Michael.