mmd vs hayes
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Hello, All!
Here is a question I have for you ALL, and no one has tried to force MMD
working with sabzhe Momed in my opinion is quite realistic, or is it for no one?
no need?
I tried tinkering with the driver in general, made a call, and picked up the bizyu
sends data from momed to momed even to the bbsyu office called everything is visible
It’s a pity that ANSI doesn’t understand, although I haven’t tried it with a remote spec
in general what is your opinion?
Alexandr.
Hello Alexandr!
08 Jul 02 01:33, Alexandr Tkachev -> All:
AT> Here is a question I have for you ALL, and not who has not tried MMD
AT> make it work with a sub-momed
We haven't tried it.
AT> in my opinion, is it quite possible, or is this not necessary for anyone?
IMHO there is something that won’t work...
AT> I tried here with the driver, tinkered with the general system, made calls, bizu
AT> catches data from momed to momed, sends it even to the bbsyu called
AT> everything is visible
How exactly can you see it?
Are the symbols lost?
I haven’t tried to transfer/receive files (you just need to enable
"true" X-Modem mode ;)
AT> it's a pity that ANSI doesn't understand
She didn’t understand, doesn’t understand and won’t understand!
No need for anything :)
AT> I haven’t tried it with a remote spec, but in general, what’s your opinion?
It's worth trying with a remote Speck...
In general, I am very surprised, I thought that it would not be possible to connect MMDyu and Khaes...
What version of MMD?
Alexand
Press RESET immediately, Aleksandr!
08 Jul 02 12:28, Aleksandr Majorov wrote to Alexandr Tkachev:
AT>> in my opinion, is it quite realistic, or is this not necessary for anyone?
AM> IMHO it won’t work...
Since the interrupts in mmda never worked, it will only work on
modem
with CTS/RTS flow control. In short, on any modern one. 2400/NONE not
fits. ;-(
AM> I haven’t tried to send/receive files (you just need to enable
AM> "true" X-Modem mode ;)
It stopped working in mmd4.xx! It's buggy. I tried it last year and
broke off.
spread!
Hello, Aleksandr!
Monday July 8, 2002 at 12:28:55, Aleksandr Majorov => Alexandr Tkachev:
AT>> Here is a question I have for you ALL, and not who has not tried MMD
AT>> make it work with a sub-momed
AM> Have not tried.
AT>> in my opinion, is it quite realistic, or is this not necessary for anyone?
AM> IMHO it won’t work...
???
AT>> I tried here with the driver, tinkered with the general system, made calls, bizu
AT>> catches data from momed to momed sends even to the bbsyu called
AT>> everything is visible
AM> How exactly can you see?
A mishmash of ANSI sequences and lines of text
AM> Are the characters lost?
I didn’t count it, but at least if in someone. mode, enter type ati4, etc.
nothing is lost at any port location from 600 to 57600
AM> I haven’t tried to send/receive files (you just need to enable
AM> "true" X-Modem mode ;)
Tell me where the switch is ;))
AT>> but haven’t tried it with a remote spec, in general, what’s your opinion?
AM> It's worth trying with a remote speck...With whom ? We need a person who has chaos, mmdya and free time
AM> In general, I am very surprised, I thought that it would not be possible to connect MMDyu and haes...
AM> What version of MMD?
MMD2.20
MMD2.22
With 4.xx I tried only local commands like remove/put down a pipe
reaction to a call, etc. I’m too lazy to dial up the dialer in the BBC language.
Alexandr.
Hello, Alexandr!
Monday, 08 July 2002, at 01:33:48,
Alexandr Tkachev -> All.
AT> Here is a question I have for you ALL, not who hasn’t tried
AT> Make MMD work
AT> with a sabzhe momed in my opinion is quite possible, or is it
AT> nobody
AT> not necessary?
It is necessary. It’s just that the people on Spec are inert as always, and the most
obvious things are done years later ;( Moreover, MAS said
- unreal means unreal ;)
AT> I tried it with the driver and tinkered with it in general
AT> calls, catches bizyu
AT> sends data from momed to momed even to the police station
AT> called everything is visible
AT> it’s a pity that ANSI doesn’t understand, though with the spec removed
AT> haven't tried
AT> in general, what is your opinion?
Our opinion is this: this driver is desperately needed. Firstly, he
will allow non-Petersburg residents to use MMD's software. Secondly, the same
Non-Petersburg residents will be able to play our modem games. Thirdly, if
sysops agree to install such drivers on their BBS, then
the speed of data exchange with SPbZXNet will increase significantly, and
There will be more users at stations. I was planning on doing this myselfit’s a matter of writing, if you write it, it will be cool. But here it is necessary
make sure that the driver is not crooked, otherwise it will turn out to be a mess.
To do this you need:
1. For the driver to work with both Hayes and Vicomm
at the same time. When catching a call, it should first beep
Vikom, and if Vikom does not respond, squeak Hayes. Choice of what
Connect depends on the choice of speed: 600, 1800 and 2400
I propose to traditionally leave it to Wicomm.
2. Enable “active” and “passive” connection modes in
driver. Necessarily!
In general, write how things are going ;)
Have a nice meeting, Alexandr.
Press RESET immediately, Alexandr!
09 Jul 02 00:52, Alexandr Tkachev wrote to Aleksandr Majorov:
AM>> IMHO it won’t work...
AT> ???
You need to collect bytes from the modem in time or slow it down with RTS. Otherwise letters
will disappear.
Ancient modems without flow control error correction protocols
computer<->modem do not have and require
take bytes immediately upon receipt. The flow rate there is up to 300 bytes per
it turns out a second (for
2400). MMD can process something for much longer than 3ms - the byte will be lost.
Support
(working!) INT or NMI interrupts never appeared in the MMD.
Modems with flow control must be configured correctly --
allow work
RTS-CTS and prohibit XON/XOFF (MMD itself uses XON/XOFF! and they also seem to
mixed up there...)
This is usually done with the ATQ3 command, but there are other options, for example in US
Robotics happens
and this: AT&H1&R2.
Don't forget that there are different versions of the serial chip.
interface and some
some of them have bugs with interruptions or a broken FIFO buffer. In domestic
probably these modems
chips are not needed, and when connecting an external modem via an ISA multicard, this
the chip may get caught.
AM>> I haven’t tried to send/receive files (you just need to enable
AM>> "true" X-Modem mode ;) AT> Tell me where the switch is ;))
Use the old 2.20, the new one was broken.
AM>> It’s worth trying with a remote speck...
AT> With whom? We need a person who has chaos, mmdya and free time
Try with a pussy - bbski, networks for example 110-7792 (enter @D,
terminal=d1),
any internet provider...
AT> Since 4.xx I tried only local action commands like remove/put
AT> pipe response to a call, etc. dialer in the BBC language while you're too lazy.
It’s also interesting how you decide who should use ATA and who should use ATX3D
establishing communication
without dialing (EXT-7.8 in mmd) -- in mmd earlier active/passive
connections were the same...
spread!
Hello, Aleksandr!
Tuesday July 9, 2002 at 14:50:03, Aleksandr Majorov => Alexandr Tkachev:
AT>>>> I tried with the driver, tinkered with the general system, made a call,
AT>>>> bizyu catches data from momed to momed and even sends it to PC
AT>>>> bbsyu called everything is visible
AM>>> How exactly can you see?
AT>> A mishmash of ANSI sequences and lines of text
AM> Disable ANSI mode on the BBS and there are no problems!
Do you think it’s so easy to find a setup among this nonsense + chopped lines
AM>>> Are the characters lost?
AT>> I didn’t count it, but at least if it’s in the room. mode, enter type ati4, etc.
AT>> nothing is lost, and for any port location from 600 to 57600
AM> This is 2-3, or at most ten Somvols.
AM> But when working with the BBC, how do all the letters of the words arrive?
I turned on the TTY and the required number of lines of characters per line, in general I have a modem
14400 USR with a lock of 19200 everything is ok, 57600 something is obviously lost even with auto-
saving the log, everything froze, or rather mmd didn’t freeze, but the remote side
fell silent without responding to my calls and the connection was not brokennothing just came no matter how much I pounded on the keyboard I had to tear it apart
connection?
By the way, how to break the connection correctly, pull DTR or what?
AT>>>> really, you haven’t tried it with a remote spec, in general, what is your opinion?
AM>>> It’s worth trying with a remote speck...
AT>> With whom? We need a person who has chaos, mmdya and free time
AM> I have all this, but the first and second
AM> are distributed across different machines :)))
I see.
Alexandr.
Hello, Aleksandr!
Tuesday July 9, 2002 at 14:57:08, Aleksandr Majorov => Vlad Sotnikov:
VS>> 1. So that the driver works with both Hayes and Vicomm
VS>> simultaneously.
AM> This is logical, a new “speed” “HAES” is simply being introduced.
VS>> When receiving a call, it must first beep
VS>> Vicom, and if Vicom does not respond, squeak with Hayes. Choosing what
VS>> connect depends on the choice of speed: 600, 1800 and 2400
VS>> I propose to traditionally leave it to Wicomm.
AM> Wrong.
AM> If I call, then I know what kind of modem is there.
AM> I set the speed to wiki - I'm working with wiki
AM> set the speed to "chaes" - I work with chaos.
AM> Machine that removes the tube;
AM> if the speed is wiki, we squeak with wiki
AM> if the speed is "chaes" - squeak with chaos.
AM> This is easier/more convenient to do and the connection will be established faster.
like that?
SPEED 2 ;2400 VICOM
_main_wait ....... ;line polling
....... ;keyboards and all that
jp_main_wait_RING ......... ;remove the pipe and all that
<#0F ;request for program version if I'm not mistaken
;or is it not needed and is it beeping?
......... ;analysis to obtain an answer
jpok hello; if you received a response it means VICOM
SPEED 3 ;HAES
.......... ;actions necessary to connect haes and
.......... ;reset Vicom, etc. connection
hi jp
hi ......... ;password check, etc.
The current speed outside the connection is always poor, and the caller ID is there and the dial is quieter
VS>> 2. Enable “active” and “passive” connection modes
VS>> driver. Definitely!
AM> For haes, it’s easy to simply issue two different commands.
Exactly.
Alexandr.
Hello, Kirill!
Tuesday July 9, 2002 at 07:39:10, Kirill Frolov => Alexandr Tkachev:
AM>>> IMHO it won’t work...
AT>> ???
KF> You need to pick up bytes from the modem in time or slow it down with RTS. Otherwise
KF> letters will disappear.
Until they disappear
KF> Modems with flow control must be configured correctly
KF> -- allow RTS-CTS and disable XON/XOFF (mmd XON/XOFF itself
KF> uses! and they also seem to be mixed up...) This is usually done by a team
KF> ATQ3 but there are other options, for example in US Robotics there is this:
KF> AT&H1&R2.
Initialization string
KF> It’s also interesting how you decide who should talk to ATA, and who should talk to ATX3D
KF> establishing connection
KF> without dialing (EXT-7.8 in mmd) -- in mmd previously active/passive
KF> connections did not differ...
So already when making a call it is always ATA, when dialing it is clear what, but in manual mode
EXT+8 - ATA, EXT+9 - ATX3D
Alexandr.
Hello Alexandr!
10 Jul 02 02:12, Alexandr Tkachev -> Aleksandr Majorov:
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AM>> Turn off the ANSI mode on the BBS and there are no problems!
AT> Do you think it’s so easy to find a setup among this nonsense + cut
AT> lines
Why did you turn it on at all? ;)
[skip]
AT> I added the TTY and the required number of lines in the line in the general modem
AT> I have 14400 USR with a locker of 19200 everything is ok, 57600 obviously something is lost
More details here.
What is the percentage of loss and is there any dependence?
AT> and even when auto-saving the log, everything froze, or rather mmd didn’t freeze, but
AT> now the distant side fell silent without responding to my calls
AT> and the connection was not broken, just nothing came
Yeah! I know it's a glitch! ;)
Before being saved, MMD gives a “subscriber busy” signal.
and then “the subscriber became free.” But it seems to me that these codes are mixed up
in relation to the standard...
In short, the trick is this: you saved, and then the “freed” code was transmitted,
which is actually XOFF, that's what the remote side was waiting for when
you will actually be free ;)
[Windows killed]
AT> By the way, how to break the connection correctly, pull DTR or what?Pause for a second, three pluses, pause - you are in command mode, ATH0
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AT>>> With whom? We need a person who has chaos, mmdya and free
AT>>> time
AM>> I have all this, but the first and second
AM>> are distributed across different machines :)))
AT> Got it.
Well, if someone picks up hays for Specky, then... :)
Alexand
Hello Alexandr!
10 Jul 02 02:28, Alexandr Tkachev -> Aleksandr Majorov:
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AM>> Machine that removes the tube;
AM>> if the speed is wiki, we squeak with wiki
AM>> if the speed is "haes" - squeak with haes.
AM>> This is easier/more convenient to do and the connection will be established faster.
AT> like this?
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AT> the current speed outside the connection is always poor after all and the caller is there
AT> dial low
Not all hacks dial the number loudly, just like you will
dial a number if you need to connect by phone? ;)
And there are AONs in the chaos...
Although the idea is not bad, there is one BUT!
I chose the “vicomm” speed, removed the tube using the vicomm, then selected
the speed is "haes", and what next????
The tube was picked up at Vicom! How to programmatically force haes to do
active tube removal? So that the haes pick up the phone first, then the vicomka
I hung up and only then did haes start beeping?
This means you need to enter the commands ONLINE_ACTIVE, ONLINE_PASSIVE.
And teach the driver the following:
if at this time one modem is off-hook and
command to go off-hook with another modem, then the handset is first taken off-hook
y second, then hangs up y first and after that the second modem starts
the process of establishing communication.
Alexand
Press RESET immediately, Alexandr!
10 Jul 02 02:29, Alexandr Tkachev wrote to Kirill Frolov:
KF>> You need to take bytes from the modem in time or slow it down with RTS.
KF>> Otherwise the letters will disappear.
AT> Until they disappear
From your next letter:
> I turned on the TTY and the required number of lines of characters per line in general, the modem has
> me 14400 USR with a lock of 19200 everything is ok, 57600 obviously something is lost
I had: 38400, without turbo mode, software stream decoding
from the port 1 bit (!) and nothing was lost. There was also a driver for MMD, for
pc<->zkhlinka, theoretically the modem could be connected, but an external modem
capable of operating at 38400 bps (via PC232 interface, not telephone
line) was not found. And it’s not “clear” to me that the probability of losing characters
somehow depends on the speed of the port with well-written software. Read the doc at
BIS
16450 serial interface. Lose characters on interface
computer<->modem
almost impossible unless the modem is connected with 3 wires instead
laid down 9.
> and even when auto-saving the log, everything froze, or rather mmd didn’t freeze, but
> the remote side fell silent without responding to my calls at all> the connection was not broken, just nothing came no matter how much I hit
> did the keyboard have to break the connection?
Does SMUC have a modem? When recording to a screw, MOA could have done something to the modem...
> By the way, how to break the connection correctly, pull DTR or what?
Again, DTR can only be pulled if the modem is configured correctly.
Looks like AT&D2, but I could be wrong. In general, this should work
combination:
and the modem will go into command mode by responding
"OK"
(unless reply is enabled), in command mode you can issue the ATH0 command. B
quality
is usually "+", but the modem can be configured to
use
another character.
KF>> (MMD itself uses XON/XOFF! And they also seem to be mixed up there...)
KF>> This is usually done with the ATQ3 command, but there are other options,
KF>> for example, in US Robotics there is something like this: AT&H1&R2.
AT> Initialization string
Users will cram so much into it that it will stop working altogether.
KF>> It’s also interesting how you decide who should talk to ATA and who to talk to ATX3D
KF>> when establishing a connection without dialing a number (EXT-7.8 in mmd) - in mmd KF>> previously active/passive connections did not differ...
AT> So already when making a call it is always ATA, when dialing it is clear what, but in manual
AT> mode EXT+8 - ATA, EXT+9 - ATX3D
Will you be able to track pressing EXT+8 in the modem driver? It won't always be
trigger.
spread!
Hello Alexander!
July 09, 2002 (it was 14:57 then)
Aleksandr Majorov in his letter to Vlad Sotnikov wrote:
VS>> When receiving a call, it must first beep
VS>> Vicom, and if Vicom does not respond, squeak with Hayes. Choosing what
VS>> connect depends on the choice of speed: 600, 1800 and 2400
VS>> I propose to traditionally leave it to Wicomm.
AM> Wrong.
AM> If I call, then I know what kind of modem is there.
AM> I set the speed to wiki - I'm working with wiki
AM> set the speed to "chaes" - I work with chaos.
That's true. Only if for Hayes you can do this: at what speed
We've connected and we're working on that one, but it's more difficult with the Wicomm: it has 3 speeds!
If you make only the speed “vicomm”, what will it be: 600, 1800 or 2400?
AM> Machine that removes the tube;
AM> if the speed is wiki, we squeak with wiki
AM> if the speed is "haes" - squeak with haes.
What if it’s an automatic BBS? Which they can call _or_ Vicom,
_or_ Hayes? Should sysop set the speed manually?
AM> This is easier/more convenient to do and the connection will be established faster.It may be easier to do, but not more convenient to use. Yes and
versatility is lost. After all, what is the idea: there is, say, node /2. Which and
Serves Wicom workers and Hayes specialists. With MMD on Spec.
VS>> 2. Enable “active” and “passive” connection modes
VS>> driver. Definitely!
AM> For haes, it’s easy to issue two different commands - it’s not difficult.
This is exactly what Hayes needs. It is more difficult with programs that are traditionally
use the “pick up handset” command without active/passive mode. IMHO, their
everyone needs to be remade. I don’t know what to do with all sorts of x-reversies - Creator is unlikely
will he wake up...
AM> Aleksandr
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Hello Kirill!
July 09, 2002 (it was 07:39 then)
Kirill Frolov in his letter to Alexandr Tkachev wrote:
KF> It’s also interesting how you decide who should talk to ATA, and who should talk to ATX3D
KF> establishing a connection without dialing a number (EXT-7.8 in mmd) -- in mmd earlier
KF> active/passive connections did not differ...
You can disable this function for Hayes: use MMD connection only
in case of calling one to another. But there are other thoughts about this: everything that
is typed in the MMD terminal and automatically flies to the driver for transmission. Usually there
The flag is checked that there is no connection, and a return to the MMD occurs via RET. Yes
here: the driver can analyze terminal symbols coming to it, and
The sequences "ATA+#0D" and "ATX3D+#0D" will automatically enable a connection.
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Hello Kirill!
10 Jul 02 13:42, Kirill Frolov -> Alexandr Tkachev:
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KF>>> It’s also interesting how you decide which one to talk about ATA and which one to talk about ATX3D
KF>>> when establishing a connection without dialing a number (EXT-7.8 in mmd) - in
KF>>> mmd previously active/passive connections were not different...
AT>> So even when making a call it is always ATA, when dialing it is clear what, but in
AT>> manual mode EXT+8 - ATA, EXT+9 - ATX3D
KF> Will you be able to track pressing EXT+8 in the modem driver? Not always
KF> will fire.
Forgot about the "active/passive connection" points in the driver? ;)
MMD will track and tell the modem how to connect to it.
Alexand
Hello, Aleksandr!
Wednesday July 10, 2002 at 01:05:19 pm, Aleksandr Majorov => Alexandr Tkachev:
AM>>> Disable ANSI mode on the BBS and there are no problems!
AT>> Do you think it’s so easy to find a setup among this nonsense + cut
AT>> lines
AM> Why did you turn it on at all? ;)
I called from another term and this is understood.
AM> [skip]
AT>> I added the TTY and the required number of line characters in the line in the general modem
AT>> I have 14400 USR with a 19200 locker everything is ok, 57600 obviously something is lost
AM> More details here.
AM> What is the percentage of loss and is there any dependence?
From what I noticed, it’s small, but I don’t know about addiction..
After that I increased the number of surveys during scanning, everything seems to be ok, in general
I'm experimenting.
AT>> and even when auto-saving the log, everything froze, or rather mmd didn’t freeze, but
AT>> now the distant side fell silent without responding to my calls
AT>> and the connection was not broken, just nothing came
AM> Aha! I know it's a glitch! ;)
AM> Before saving, MMD gives a “subscriber busy” signalAM> and then "the subscriber is free." But it seems to me that these codes are mixed up
AM> in relation to the standard...
AM> In short, the trick is this: you saved, and then the “freed” code was transmitted
AM> which is actually XOFF, that's what the remote side was waiting for
AM> you will actually be free ;)
But it doesn’t matter if a screw is connected as a destination device, then everything is ok
?
Alexandr.
Hello, Kirill!
Wednesday July 10, 2002 at 01:42:50 pm, Kirill Frolov => Alexandr Tkachev:
>> I turned on the TTY and the required number of lines of characters per line in general, the modem has
>> me 14400 USR with a lock of 19200 everything is ok, 57600 obviously something is lost
KF> I had: 38400, without turbo mode, software stream decoding
KF> from the port 1 bit (!) and nothing was lost.
KF> And it’s not “clear” to me that the probability of losing characters somehow
KF> depends on the speed of the port with well-written software. Read the document on
KF> 16450 serial interface LSI.
Let me read it.
KF> Lose characters on interface
KF> computer<->modem
KF> is almost impossible, unless the modem is connected with 3 wires instead
KF> positioned 9th.
Yes, everything is connected correctly, I’ll experiment until we see later
>> and even when auto-saving the log, everything froze, or rather mmd didn’t freeze, but
>> the remote side fell silent without responding to my calls at all
>> the connection was not broken, just nothing came no matter how much I hit>> did the keyboard have to break the connection?
KF> Does SMUC have a modem? When recording to a screw, MOA could have done something to the modem...
Two variants of M.K. and SMUC, in addition, other programs working with the modem are also logs
save and everything is ok and by the way the glitch only appears if the shipment occurs
on FDD the screw is just fine
KF>>> (MMD itself uses XON/XOFF! And they also seem to be mixed up there...)
KF>>> This is usually done with the ATQ3 command, but there are other options
KF>>> for example, in US Robotics there is something like this: AT&H1&R2.
AT>> Initialization string
KF> Users will cram so much stuff in there that it will stop working altogether.
Anything can happen and you can accidentally format a screw. ;)
KF>>> It’s also interesting how you decide who should talk to ATA and who to talk to ATX3D
KF>>> when establishing a connection without dialing a number (EXT-7.8 in mmd) - in mmd
KF>>> previously active/passive connections did not differ...
AT>> So already when making a call it is always ATA, when dialing it is clear what, but in manual
AT>> mode EXT+8 - ATA, EXT+9 - ATX3D
KF> Will you track pressing EXT+8 in the modem driver? It won't always beKF> trigger.
I don’t understand why you should track it in the driver? Mmd after all and so when pressed
of these combinations jumps to the corresponding entry points, although it must
The speed setting checkbox must be enabled in the settings.
Alexandr.
Hello, Aleksandr!
Wednesday July 10, 2002 at 01:14:03 pm, Aleksandr Majorov => Alexandr Tkachev:
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AT>> the current speed outside the connection is always poor after all and the caller is there
AT>> dial quietly
AM> Not all hacks dial the number loudly, just like you will
AM> dial a number if you need to connect by phone? ;)
I haven’t thought about it yet, but it’s possible, I dialed the number and, depending on the speed, further
actions if vicom then ret if haes then ATD, reset vicom and ret
AM> Although the thought is not bad, there is one BUT!
AM> I chose the "vicomm" speed, removed the handset with a vicomm, then selected
AM> speed "haes", and what next????
Well, online again and if the line busy flag is set, then we act as you
below I wrote in other things I don’t know after this football my head doesn’t think a damn thing ;)
AM> The tube has been removed from the Vicom! How to programmatically force haes to do
AM> active off-hook? So that first the haes pick up the phone, then the vicomka
AM> hung up and only then did haes start beeping?
AM> This means you need to enter the commands ONLINE_ACTIVE, ONLINE_PASSIVE.
AM> And teach the driver the following:AM> if at this time one modem is off-hook and serving
AM> command to go off-hook with another modem, then first go off-hook
AM> y of the second, then hangs up y of the first and after that the second modem starts
AM> connection establishment process.
Alexandr.
Hello Alexandr!
11 Jul 02 01:36, Alexandr Tkachev -> Aleksandr Majorov:
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AT>>> You think it’s so easy to find a setup among this nonsense + cut
AT>>> lines
AM>> Why did you turn it on at all? ;)
AT> I called from another term and there it is understood.
I would call again with “that one” and turn off the bullshit ;)
[Windows killed]
AM>> Before saving, MMD gives a “subscriber busy” signal
AM>> and then “the subscriber is free.” But I seem to have these codes
AM>> are confused in relation to the standard... In short, the focus is this: you
AM>> was saved, and then the “freed” code was transmitted, which actually
AM>> is actually XOFF, so the remote side was waiting for you when you actually
AM>> you'll actually be free ;)
AT> But it doesn’t matter if a screw is connected as a destination device
AT> is everything ok?
Then I don't understand anything...
Maybe saving to disk takes too long? ;)
Alexand
Hello, Aleksandr!
Thursday July 11, 2002 at 11:19:25, Aleksandr Majorov => Alexandr Tkachev:
AT>>>> You think it’s so easy to find a setup among this nonsense + cut
AT>>>> lines
AM>>> Why did you turn it on at all? ;)
AT>> I called from another term and there it is understood.
AM> I would call again with “that one” and turn off the byaky ;)
We create difficulties for ourselves, and then solve them with the most accessible ones at the moment
means ;)
AM>>> Before saving, MMD gives a “subscriber busy” signal
AM>>> and then “the subscriber is free.” But I seem to have these codes
AM>>> are confused in relation to the standard... In short, the focus is this: you
AM>>> was saved, and then the “freed” code was transmitted, which actually
AM>>> is actually XOFF, so the remote side was waiting for you when you actually
AM>>> you'll be free ;)
AT>> But it doesn’t matter if a screw is connected as a destination device
AT>> is everything ok?
AM> Then I don’t understand anything...
AM> Maybe saving to disk is taking too long? ;)Sorry, I’m wrong, it just doesn’t always appear for some reason, in particular from three
once shipments to the screw failed only once, but to the flop I shipped twice and both
I haven’t tried it again, but in general we need to figure out what’s going on.
Alexandr.
Hello Vlad!
10 Jul 02 16:00, Vlad Sotnikov -> Aleksandr Majorov:
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AM>> Wrong.
AM>> If I call, then I know what kind of modem is there.
AM>> I set the speed to wiki - I’m working with wiki
AM>> set the speed to "chaes" - I'm working with chaos.
VS> That's right. Only if for Hayes you can do this: on which
VS> speeds have been connected, that’s what we’re working on, but with Wicomm it’s more difficult: y
VS> it has 3 speeds! If you only make the speed “vicomm”, then what is it?
VS> will it be: 600, 1800 or 2400?
Hehe, and also a programmer! ;)
Here: the new driver will consist of two parts:
- old Wycombe part
- the dirty part.
We remake all points of access to the modem like this:
POINT_### LD A,(SPEED)
CP HAYES_SPEED
JP Z, POINT_HAYES_###
JP POINT_VICOMM_###
That's all!
Now we set the "auto-speed detection" flag.
We choose _any_ Wicom speed(!).
And we are waiting for a response from the remote party.
Having received the answer, we return, among other things, a new one,
Vicom speed at which something was transmitted to us...
AM>> Machine that removes the tube;
AM>> if the speed is wiki, we squeak with wiki AM>> if the speed is "haes" - squeak with haes.
VS> What if this is an automatic BBS? Which they can call _or_
VS> Wycombe, _or_ Hayes? Should the sysop set the speed manually?
From time A to time B - haes,
from time B to time C - Vicom, etc.
Or: pick up the phone with a vicom, request/greeting.
If they didn’t answer in 10 seconds, they switched to Khaesnyu
speed and said ATA (Active connection)
AM>> This is easier/more convenient to do and the connection will be established faster.
VS> It may be easier to do, but not more convenient to use. Yes and
VS> versatility is lost. After all, what is the idea: let’s say there is node /2.
VS> Which serves both Wicom specialists and Hayes specialists. With MMD on Spec.
/2 will not be such a node!!! :-)
I already have a high load on the line: two modems (XTR + haes),
telephone and call number...
I won’t put another chaos in Speck! ;)
Whoever wants it calls the HRC with haes.
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AM>> For haes, it’s just giving two different commands - it’s not difficult.
VS> This is exactly what is needed for Hayes. It’s more difficult with programs that
VS> traditionally use the "pick up phone" command without
VS> active/passive mode.Wait, is there a way to tell the subscriber something?
If there is, then no problem!
One "reports" ATA, and the other "reports" ATX3D
VS> IMHO, they all need to be remade. How to be
VS> with all sorts of x-reversy, I don’t know - the Creator is unlikely to wake up...
What if you wake me up????
Alexand
Hello Alexander!
July 12, 2002 (it was 12:36 then)
Aleksandr Majorov in his letter to Vlad Sotnikov wrote:
AM>>> For haes, it’s just giving two different commands - it’s not difficult.
VS>> This is exactly what is needed for Hayes. It’s more difficult with programs that
VS>> traditionally use the "pick up phone" command without
VS>> active/passive mode.
AM> Stop, is there an opportunity to tell the subscriber something?
AM> If there is, then no problem!
AM> One "reports" ATA, and the other "reports" ATX3D
The only games I know for Vicomm are X-Reversy and Gambit. There will still be mine
chess, Ceitnot, but there I will do everything correctly...
VS>> IMHO, they all need to be remade. How to be
VS>> with all sorts of x-reversy, I don’t know - the Creator is unlikely to wake up...
AM> What if you wake me up????
I'll try. I sent him some soap, then I’ll post the answer here.
Vega/ex-Style Group.
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Press RESET immediately, Vlad!
16 Jul 02 05:14, Vlad Sotnikov wrote to Aleksandr Majorov:
AM>> Wait, is there an opportunity to tell the subscriber something?
AM>> If yes, then no problem!
AM>> One "reports" ATA, and the other "reports" ATX3D
VS> From the games for Vicomm I only know X-Reversy and Gambit. There will be more
VS> my chess, Ceitnot, but there I will do everything correctly...
Forgot Laser Squad and Last Battle. This is cooler than all the reversi and chess!
AM>> What if I wake you up????
VS> I'll try. I sent him soap, then I’ll post the answer here.
You can no longer find the source codes for LS and LB. The driver needs to be made appropriate
way.
Hi, Vlad!
Tuesday July 16 2002 05:14, Vlad Sotnikov wrote to Aleksandr Majorov:
VS> From the games for Vicomm I only know X-Reversy and Gambit. There will be more
VS> my chess, Ceitnot, but there I will do everything correctly...
I know Battle Ship